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So much for that: Reds cancel Aroldis Chapman’s winter ball plans

Nov 9, 2011, 3:19 PM EDT

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Aroldis Chapman went to the Arizona Fall League in order to build up some arm strength in preparation for pitching as a starter in the Puerto Rican winter league, but the Reds have canceled those plans.

Chapman is healthy after briefly being sidelined by shoulder soreness in Arizona, but general manager Walt Jocketty told John Fay of the Cincinnati Enquirer that they’ve decided to have the 23-year-old left-hander stay in the team-controlled environments in Arizona and Florida:

We’ve decided against sending him to Puerto Rico. He’s on a strength-and-conditioning program in Arizona. He’ll go to Florida after that and continue to work out. There’s no injury. We just want to make sure he’s 100 percent. He had the shoulder issue during the season.

Despite the change of plans the Reds are still hoping that Chapman can make the transition from reliever to starter for 2012, which means he might spend spring training building arm strength instead of showing up to camp ready to work as a starter.

  1. cintiphil - Nov 9, 2011 at 3:28 PM

    We hope that Walt is correct here in Cinti. Otherwise, there was a lot of money wasted on this one man.We have seen Chapman with arm problems before. When he gets back into the pen, he will pitch great for a while and then get bombed, because of shoulder tightness. Is this just arm strengthening or more? We are hoping here, that he will be a starter in the Spring. Otherwise, the Reds paid a lot of money for a set up guy.

    • brucewaynewins - Nov 9, 2011 at 5:06 PM

      Just because you paid a specific price does not mean you should force a player into something. He should do whatever he ends up being best at. I’d rather have him successful and playing no matter if that makes him a starter, closer, or setup man.

      • cintiphil - Nov 9, 2011 at 5:42 PM

        You don’t understand my comment. He is a set up man now. If his arm doesn’t improve the past problems, he will never be a starter. He can’t start if his arm will not last more than two innings.

      • brucewaynewins - Nov 9, 2011 at 9:13 PM

        I fully understood your comment.

  2. dlindstedt2 - Nov 9, 2011 at 4:44 PM

    Worst thing you could do with young pitching talent… Give him to Dusty Baker.

    All I need to say is, Mark Prior, and Kerry Wood.

    • brucewaynewins - Nov 9, 2011 at 5:05 PM

      So 2 men? Please give more examples of proof. Not doubting you just saying 2 examples mean nothing. Just makes you sound like a bitter Cubs fan. It always somebody’s fault why don’t win. It was Bartman’s fault for catching a ball Alou couldn’t catch and its been a goat’s fault for decades.

      • cintiphil - Nov 9, 2011 at 5:49 PM

        I have made these comments before. The problem with both Wood and Prior is that they never had good arm strengthening. They can not be babied in the bigs. I do think that Dusty leaves some pitchers in a little longer than he should, however if their arms are strong, they will out last He pitches most of the Reds throwers too long, to the teams misfortune, however Cueto still throws at 95 after 115 pitches. Wood and Prior never could do that for long because the arms were not sufficiently strong. Too bad, because they were both outstanding talents.

      • metalhead65 - Nov 9, 2011 at 7:32 PM

        how about aaron harrang who never had arm problems before dusty? how about Johnny Cuteo who missed time to start the season because of arm problems and ended the season on the dl. and what about volquez? yea he sucks but still had the surgery while under dusty. andrusek has also missed time due to arm problems. and my reds just might as well schedule the tommy john surgery for chapman now. you know this problem will drag on all spring and right before they break camp they will announce that he needs it. forget being a starter the guy can’t pitch more than 2 innings a game and no more than 2 days in a row in relief so how will he ever make the adj. to starting? this is a organzation that has no idea how to devlop pitching. if they got rid of chapman he would be a all star with another team.

      • brucewaynewins - Nov 9, 2011 at 9:14 PM

        You can’t possibly give credit to Dusty for Volquez. Look up his history.

      • theallegedone - Nov 10, 2011 at 1:31 AM

        Wow Metalhead, that’s probably the worst rebuttal I’ve ever heard in my life. “How about Harang, Cueto, Volquez and Ondrusek”? They are all hrt and have been on the dl? THEY’RE PITCHERS MORON! Did u expect a twisted ankle? Maybe an oblique? U can go on the dl for tightness, sore shoulder, sore elbow, blister on the finger, and numerous other reasons. Had nothing to do with Dusty. Some people just shoudnt talk. U are definitely one.

      • brucewaynewins - Nov 10, 2011 at 8:47 AM

        glad i’m not the only one that was a totally flawed from top to bottom rebuttal.

  3. tomlotter1948 - Nov 9, 2011 at 9:15 PM

    Chapman is TOMMY JOHN surgery in waiting!!!

    • cintiphil - Nov 10, 2011 at 8:50 AM

      He usually has shoulder problems, not the elbow.

  4. firemarshal1 - Nov 9, 2011 at 9:57 PM

    Walt Jockery,

    Make a trade with the Nationals, Michael Morse and a relief pitcher prospect for Y. Grandal. Washington needs a catcher, we need a third baseman/ left fielder with a big bat. It’s a perfect match. Votto, Morse, Bruce. Left, right, left batters in the middle of the order. Scott Rolens shoulder is a issue, it’s an insurance policy. Just a suggestion.

    • foreverchipper10 - Nov 10, 2011 at 11:07 AM

      Who is Walt Jockery?

      • cintiphil - Nov 11, 2011 at 9:52 AM

        OK:
        You have to be new. He is the GM for the Reds. Once the famous GM for the Cards. Great reputation as a baseball genius, but I don’t know that for sure.

    • foreverchipper10 - Nov 10, 2011 at 11:07 AM

      Also, Washington needing a catcher is a sore subject right now. Ramos is going to be a very solid pro depending on this kidnapping issue.

  5. cintiphil - Nov 10, 2011 at 8:54 AM

    Hey Meat:

    Volquez? He had problems in Texas, so lets blame them. Harang did not have problems because of Baker. Aaron had they typical problems most pitchers have from time to time, and was able to come back well. His problem was control here. He has good stuff even today, when he gets the ball over the plate. And,, Harang very rarely went over 80-90 pitches. He could and I have seen him pitch as many as 120, but not often.

    • brucewaynewins - Nov 10, 2011 at 1:18 PM

      Exactly

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