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	<title>Comments on: So much for that: Reds cancel Aroldis Chapman&#8217;s winter ball plans</title>
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		<title>By: cintiphil</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK:
 You have to be new. He is the GM for the Reds. Once the famous GM for the Cards. Great reputation as a baseball genius, but I don&#039;t know that for sure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK:<br />
 You have to be new. He is the GM for the Reds. Once the famous GM for the Cards. Great reputation as a baseball genius, but I don&#8217;t know that for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: brucewaynewins</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[brucewaynewins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 18:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Exactly]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly</p>
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		<title>By: foreverchipper10</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[foreverchipper10]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 16:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also, Washington needing a catcher is a sore subject right now. Ramos is going to be a very solid pro depending on this kidnapping issue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, Washington needing a catcher is a sore subject right now. Ramos is going to be a very solid pro depending on this kidnapping issue.</p>
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		<title>By: foreverchipper10</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 16:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who is Walt Jockery?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who is Walt Jockery?</p>
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		<title>By: cintiphil</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cintiphil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 13:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Meat:

Volquez? He had problems in Texas, so lets blame them. Harang did not have problems because of Baker. Aaron had they typical problems most pitchers have from time to time, and was able to come back well. His problem was control here. He has good stuff even today, when he gets the ball over the plate. And,, Harang very rarely went over 80-90 pitches. He could and I have seen him pitch as many as 120, but not often.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Meat:</p>
<p>Volquez? He had problems in Texas, so lets blame them. Harang did not have problems because of Baker. Aaron had they typical problems most pitchers have from time to time, and was able to come back well. His problem was control here. He has good stuff even today, when he gets the ball over the plate. And,, Harang very rarely went over 80-90 pitches. He could and I have seen him pitch as many as 120, but not often.</p>
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		<title>By: cintiphil</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cintiphil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 13:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He usually has shoulder problems, not the elbow.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He usually has shoulder problems, not the elbow.</p>
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		<title>By: brucewaynewins</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[brucewaynewins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 13:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[glad i&#039;m not the only one that was a totally flawed from top to bottom rebuttal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>glad i&#8217;m not the only one that was a totally flawed from top to bottom rebuttal.</p>
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		<title>By: theallegedone</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[theallegedone]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 06:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow Metalhead, that&#039;s probably the worst rebuttal I&#039;ve ever heard in my life. &quot;How about Harang, Cueto, Volquez and Ondrusek&quot;? They are all hrt and have been on the dl? THEY&#039;RE PITCHERS MORON! Did u expect a twisted ankle? Maybe an oblique? U can go on the dl for tightness, sore shoulder, sore elbow, blister on the finger, and numerous other reasons. Had nothing to do with Dusty. Some people just shoudnt talk. U are definitely one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow Metalhead, that&#8217;s probably the worst rebuttal I&#8217;ve ever heard in my life. &#8220;How about Harang, Cueto, Volquez and Ondrusek&#8221;? They are all hrt and have been on the dl? THEY&#8217;RE PITCHERS MORON! Did u expect a twisted ankle? Maybe an oblique? U can go on the dl for tightness, sore shoulder, sore elbow, blister on the finger, and numerous other reasons. Had nothing to do with Dusty. Some people just shoudnt talk. U are definitely one.</p>
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		<title>By: firemarshal1</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[firemarshal1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 02:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Walt Jockery,

Make a trade with the Nationals, Michael Morse and a relief pitcher prospect for Y. Grandal.  Washington needs a catcher, we need a third baseman/ left fielder with a big bat.  It&#039;s a perfect match.  Votto, Morse, Bruce.    Left, right, left batters in the middle of the order.  Scott Rolens shoulder is a issue, it&#039;s an insurance policy.  Just a suggestion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walt Jockery,</p>
<p>Make a trade with the Nationals, Michael Morse and a relief pitcher prospect for Y. Grandal.  Washington needs a catcher, we need a third baseman/ left fielder with a big bat.  It&#8217;s a perfect match.  Votto, Morse, Bruce.    Left, right, left batters in the middle of the order.  Scott Rolens shoulder is a issue, it&#8217;s an insurance policy.  Just a suggestion.</p>
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		<title>By: tomlotter1948</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tomlotter1948]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 02:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chapman is TOMMY JOHN surgery in waiting!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chapman is TOMMY JOHN surgery in waiting!!!</p>
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		<title>By: brucewaynewins</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[brucewaynewins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 02:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You can&#039;t possibly give credit to Dusty for Volquez.  Look up his history.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t possibly give credit to Dusty for Volquez.  Look up his history.</p>
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		<title>By: brucewaynewins</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[brucewaynewins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 02:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I fully understood your comment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fully understood your comment.</p>
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		<title>By: metalhead65</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[metalhead65]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 00:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[how about aaron harrang who never had arm problems before dusty? how about Johnny Cuteo who missed time to start the season because of arm problems and ended the season on the dl. and what about volquez? yea he sucks but still had the surgery while under dusty. andrusek has also missed time due to arm problems. and my reds just might as well schedule the tommy john surgery for chapman now. you know this problem will drag on all spring and right before they break camp they will announce that he needs it. forget being a starter the guy can&#039;t pitch more than 2 innings a game and no more than 2 days in a row in relief so how will he ever make the adj. to starting? this is a organzation that has no idea how to devlop pitching. if they got rid of chapman he would be a all star with another team.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how about aaron harrang who never had arm problems before dusty? how about Johnny Cuteo who missed time to start the season because of arm problems and ended the season on the dl. and what about volquez? yea he sucks but still had the surgery while under dusty. andrusek has also missed time due to arm problems. and my reds just might as well schedule the tommy john surgery for chapman now. you know this problem will drag on all spring and right before they break camp they will announce that he needs it. forget being a starter the guy can&#8217;t pitch more than 2 innings a game and no more than 2 days in a row in relief so how will he ever make the adj. to starting? this is a organzation that has no idea how to devlop pitching. if they got rid of chapman he would be a all star with another team.</p>
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		<title>By: cintiphil</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cintiphil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 22:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have made these comments before. The problem with both Wood and Prior is that they never had good arm strengthening. They can not be babied in the bigs. I do think that Dusty leaves some pitchers in a little longer than he should, however if their arms are strong, they will out last He pitches most of the Reds throwers too long, to the teams misfortune, however Cueto still throws at 95 after 115 pitches. Wood and Prior never could do that for long because the arms  were not sufficiently strong. Too bad, because they were both outstanding talents.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have made these comments before. The problem with both Wood and Prior is that they never had good arm strengthening. They can not be babied in the bigs. I do think that Dusty leaves some pitchers in a little longer than he should, however if their arms are strong, they will out last He pitches most of the Reds throwers too long, to the teams misfortune, however Cueto still throws at 95 after 115 pitches. Wood and Prior never could do that for long because the arms  were not sufficiently strong. Too bad, because they were both outstanding talents.</p>
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		<title>By: cintiphil</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cintiphil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 22:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You don&#039;t understand my comment. He is a set up man now. If his arm doesn&#039;t improve the past problems, he will never be a starter. He can&#039;t start if his arm will not last more than two innings.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t understand my comment. He is a set up man now. If his arm doesn&#8217;t improve the past problems, he will never be a starter. He can&#8217;t start if his arm will not last more than two innings.</p>
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		<title>By: brucewaynewins</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[brucewaynewins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 22:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just because you paid a specific price does not mean you should force a player into something.  He should do whatever he ends up being best at.  I&#039;d rather have him successful and playing no matter if that makes him a starter, closer, or setup man.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just because you paid a specific price does not mean you should force a player into something.  He should do whatever he ends up being best at.  I&#8217;d rather have him successful and playing no matter if that makes him a starter, closer, or setup man.</p>
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		<title>By: brucewaynewins</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[brucewaynewins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 22:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So 2 men? Please give more examples of proof.  Not doubting you just saying 2 examples mean nothing.  Just makes you sound like a bitter Cubs fan.  It always somebody&#039;s fault why don&#039;t win.  It was Bartman&#039;s fault for catching a ball Alou couldn&#039;t catch and its been a goat&#039;s fault for decades.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So 2 men? Please give more examples of proof.  Not doubting you just saying 2 examples mean nothing.  Just makes you sound like a bitter Cubs fan.  It always somebody&#8217;s fault why don&#8217;t win.  It was Bartman&#8217;s fault for catching a ball Alou couldn&#8217;t catch and its been a goat&#8217;s fault for decades.</p>
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		<title>By: dlindstedt2</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dlindstedt2]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 21:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Worst thing you could do with young pitching talent... Give him to Dusty Baker. 

All I need to say is, Mark Prior, and Kerry Wood.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Worst thing you could do with young pitching talent&#8230; Give him to Dusty Baker. </p>
<p>All I need to say is, Mark Prior, and Kerry Wood.</p>
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		<title>By: cintiphil</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cintiphil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 20:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We hope that Walt is correct here in Cinti. Otherwise, there was a lot of money wasted on this one man.We have seen Chapman with arm problems before. When he gets back into the pen, he will pitch great for a while and then get bombed, because of shoulder tightness. Is this just arm strengthening or more? We are hoping here, that he will be a starter in the Spring. Otherwise, the Reds paid a lot of money for a set up guy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We hope that Walt is correct here in Cinti. Otherwise, there was a lot of money wasted on this one man.We have seen Chapman with arm problems before. When he gets back into the pen, he will pitch great for a while and then get bombed, because of shoulder tightness. Is this just arm strengthening or more? We are hoping here, that he will be a starter in the Spring. Otherwise, the Reds paid a lot of money for a set up guy.</p>
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