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Silver lining: it’s possible the Papelbon signing won’t cost the Phillies a draft pick

Nov 11, 2011, 4:38 PM EDT

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I’m still reeling from the Jonathan Papelbon signing, but I suppose there is one thing that makes it slightly less odious than first considered: as Ken Rosenthal notes, the signing may not cost the Phillies their first-round pick.

That’s because signings this offseason are going to be covered by the new collective bargaining agreement and that new agreement may very well do-away with draft pick compensation. ¬†Meaning, the Phillies may not — may not — have to send a pick to Boston for the privilege of massively overpaying Papelbon.

It’s possible, however, that the Red Sox may still get compensation picks, just not at Philly’s expense. Basically, MLB might just decide to print up picks like so much diluted common stock. ¬†Which makes everyone slightly worse off instead of making one team — Philly — massively worse off.

  1. Kyle - Nov 11, 2011 at 4:42 PM

    That was some grade A turd polishing. Well done, sir.

    • cur68 - Nov 11, 2011 at 8:33 PM


  2. WhenMattStairsIsKing - Nov 11, 2011 at 4:42 PM

    Did you choose this picture because you’ve been wanting to tuck your own face into your shirt and hide from the world following this signing, Craig?

  3. 78mu - Nov 11, 2011 at 4:51 PM

    I’m sure when the Phillies treasurer or owner signs the paychecks each month Amaro will remind them he didn’t have to give the Red Sox a draft pick.

    But I doubt that will put a smile on their face.

  4. Panda Claus - Nov 11, 2011 at 4:52 PM

    the signing may not cost the Phillies two draft picks

    Wouldn’t Philadelphia only be obligated to send a single first rounder to Boston under the terms of the old CBA? Boston’s 2nd pick would be a sandwich [compensatory] pick.

  5. Francisco (FC) - Nov 11, 2011 at 4:52 PM

    It’s occurred to me we haven’t heard from Biceps all day. He may have had a seizure, stroke and heart attack all rolled into one…

    • WhenMattStairsIsKing - Nov 11, 2011 at 5:01 PM

      Or he got a job.


    • Craig Calcaterra - Nov 11, 2011 at 5:02 PM

      Biceps has been permanently banned. Seriously. I didn’t do this on my own accord. I was thinking of it because his racial stuff had gotten to be too much, but he asked me yesterday if, for his own good and everyone else’s, if he could be banned from the site.

      So I banned him. It’s permanent. There will be no ask-backs this time because life is too short.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Nov 11, 2011 at 5:08 PM

        Furthermore, he deleted his twitter account.

      • lyon810 - Nov 11, 2011 at 5:08 PM

        Would Ban Johnson have banned Ty Cobb as per his request? I think not.

      • SmackSaw - Nov 11, 2011 at 5:14 PM

        Jeez, I specifically came here to watch him melt down. His descent into apoplexy would’ve been epic. I guess, underneath the layers, I’m really a NASCAR fan.

        Goodnight Biceps, wherever you are.

      • Reflex - Nov 11, 2011 at 6:05 PM

        Thank you.

      • El Bravo - Nov 11, 2011 at 8:27 PM

        Craig, he toed the line on racial and other offensive fronts for quite some time AFTER you temporarily banned him in the first place. To be honest, you should have stuck with your first move, because you’ve now been fooled twice.

  6. felser - Nov 11, 2011 at 4:57 PM

    Same pool of amateur players is going to same 30 teams regardless of draft-pick compensation plan – can’t make everyone worse off, it’s a zero sum game.

  7. churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Nov 11, 2011 at 5:03 PM

    the signing may not cost the Phillies two draft picks.

    Sigh can we stop reporting this. For one, even if no one picks up Madson, the Phillies are only responsible for giving up their first round pick. The supplemental pick is added to Boston, not taken away from Philly. So that’s a loss of one pick.

    Also, most likely Philly will offer Madson arb, which means they’ll get whoever signs him’s picks, so it’s possible Philly both upgraded their roster AND upgraded their draft position.

    • natstowngreg - Nov 11, 2011 at 6:48 PM

      You can’t offer arbitration to a free agent.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Nov 11, 2011 at 8:23 PM

        huh? Yes you can. The deadline for offering arbitration is another two weeks as well, so teams can offer arbitration even after the player has signed a deal with the new team.

  8. WhenMattStairsIsKing - Nov 11, 2011 at 5:05 PM

    I’d like to make a serious point – we all thought closers would come cheap this year because there are so many available, right? Nathan, Madson, Lidge, Broxton, K-Rod, Cordero, not to mention guys like Bell, Hanrahan and Storen that could likely be had in trades.

    So, a lot of guys, right?

    Now, since Papelbon signed for the moon, do all of these guys make similar cases that they all want to cash in as a result? Did Papelbon just make a surplus market inflated?

    In similar economic cases, what happens in scenarios like these? Will a dozen closers end up overpaid, or will agents fail to come close to what Papelbon got?

    • Francisco (FC) - Nov 11, 2011 at 5:18 PM

      Supply and Demand. Yes there’s a large supply, but there also seems to be demand…

  9. Ari Collins - Nov 11, 2011 at 5:16 PM

    It’s unlikely that the CBA would cover this offseason’s draft pick compensation. Teams would cry foul if they made decisions based on the old rules and had them changed mid-stream. This offseason is almost certainly going to go forward according to last year’s rules.

    Also, as Panda noted above, Boston would be gaining two draft picks, but the Phillies would only be losing one.

    • drmonkeyarmy - Nov 11, 2011 at 5:27 PM

      They will get it back when the Red Sox sign Madson.

    • Francisco (FC) - Nov 11, 2011 at 6:33 PM

      Could it be they are colluding to swap closers, exchange draft picks and get compensatory ones? Basically creating draft picks out of thin air? Is this a manipulation? OTOH Did Boston offer Papelbon Arbitration? If they haven’t already they must be running to get it filed!

  10. gallaghedj311 - Nov 11, 2011 at 5:18 PM

    Wow. Bicepts banned? I’m saddened and amused all at the same time. And let the record state that I agree with Craig that my phillies massively overpaid here. As painful as it is for me to admit that :)

  11. faccda01 - Nov 11, 2011 at 5:29 PM

    Your hatred for Philly is, as usual, blinding you. Yes they paid too much, but you fail to point out that they have an elite and proven closer.

    • WhenMattStairsIsKing - Nov 11, 2011 at 5:38 PM

      It’s the biggest closer deal ever. And it was for a 30 year-old closer who had been regressing since 2007 with the exception of 2011, in a market flush full of closers with excellent experience and upside.

      This isn’t a bad deal because the Phillies signed him. It’s a bad deal because he was vastly overpaid in such a market, with nobody else signed, and the deal even includes an easy-to-vest 2016 option.

      Halfway through at the most, this deal will be an albatross.

      Gotta love the brainless Craig-hate on here.

      • dreadpiratesteve - Nov 11, 2011 at 10:20 PM

        Gotta agree with Stairs on this. I read this site daily but rarely comment. It seems to me though that Craig is trashed frequently for no good reason…

        And it was a BAD move by the Phils. Common sense must have gotten Veteran’s Day off too.

  12. ditka96 - Nov 11, 2011 at 5:41 PM

    We will all be smarter with no Biceps. I would look for him to resurface possibly as Ryanhowardsachilles.

    • drmonkeyarmy - Nov 11, 2011 at 5:44 PM

      Or Polancosperpetualsportshernia or Utleyswonkyknee or Choochsaccent

      • cur68 - Nov 11, 2011 at 8:41 PM

        I got $10 Canadian on “Cholly’svoicecoacht”. If he can stick to baseball, I don’t mind him at all.

  13. eaglebobby - Nov 11, 2011 at 5:44 PM

    There are reasons why Papelbon got the payday he did–

    Saves–Papelbon 219 Madson 52
    Experience–Papelbon has been a closer longer than Madson has by a mile.
    Postseason experience–Papelbon has closed out a WS, Madson has not–and in Philly’s critical GM6 against the Giants in ’10, Madson gave up the winning HR to Jose Uribe–which was an opposite field shot by a RH hitter
    Pedigree–Papelbon has pitched in the ultra-competitive AL East–while Madson has pitched in the mild NL East

    The other thing Craig that you might do well to explore is that according to Yahoo Sports, MLB baseball might have had something to do with the Madson deal falling apart. They’ve written that there weree whispers that MLB was not happy with giving a guy with 1 year’s closing experience 11M a year compared to others more experienced than him.

    • drmonkeyarmy - Nov 11, 2011 at 5:50 PM

      The pitch to Uribe was a good pitch. Uribe had not hit an opposite field HR in a ridiculous amount of time…it happens. He throw the pitch exactly where he wanted it and where Chooch called for it, Uribe just did the unexpected.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Nov 12, 2011 at 10:14 AM

        In fact, of Uribe’s 155 career HR, only 6 are to right field. Furthermore, he hadn’t hit an opposite field HR since 2007 before that at bat.

  14. Jonny 5 - Nov 11, 2011 at 6:52 PM

    copo, thank you. Ive been trying tell people that. Offer arbitration and get picks when he declines. It’s win win with the draft picks, unless he accepts arbitration (doubtful), then they trade him for a draft pick.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Nov 11, 2011 at 10:57 PM

      Even if he accepts, he’ll get what, $10M for a year? And having two really good relievers at 8th and 9th isn’t a bad thing.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Nov 12, 2011 at 10:09 AM

        Yeah really…who really cares about payroll at this point. If they plan to upgrade at needed positions, they will go over the luxury tax anyway. I say, sign everybody…worry about the consequences later.

  15. faccda01 - Nov 11, 2011 at 8:00 PM

    MattStairs, if you want to see brainless, I suggest you re-read your post. Regressing every year from 07 to 11, except in 11? Doesnt sound like regessing to me. He is way more experienced than Madson, and if the Phils are going to shell out money for a closer, Pap is thr guy you give it to.
    It is way to much money, but lost in the contract is the player they have gotten. With that rotation, you want a shutdown closer, which is what they bought. Madson was terrible in the closer role until this year, Pap has always been a stud.

  16. Jack Marshall - Nov 12, 2011 at 1:33 AM

    Papelbon had an awful year in 2010, and it was sandwiched between him blowing games in the two most important Sox must-win contests of 2009 and 2011, to end the play-offs in ’09, and the season in ’11. He’s still an eliete closer, but the Sox should be able to fill his slot without losing anything, and keeping some cash in the bargain.

  17. Charles Gates - Nov 12, 2011 at 10:15 AM

    The Phillies are the new ‘what’s wrong with baseball,’ as in they’re the Yankees of old spending too much money on big name free agents so that small market teams can no longer compete.

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