Comments on: Must-click link: The most devastating takedown of Peter Angelos you’ll ever read

By: schmedley69

schmedley69 — Tue, 15 Nov 2011 01:56:57 +0000

This picture may explain where Angelos got his leadership skills from:

http://i.usatoday.net/sports/_photos/2008/02/19/castrox.jpg

By: crankyfrankie

crankyfrankie — Tue, 15 Nov 2011 00:27:00 +0000

Well written article thanks for the link Craig. It is ,in the end, a depressing story without a good end.

By: schlom

schlom — Mon, 14 Nov 2011 21:35:22 +0000

John Henry bought the Marlins from Huizenga in 1999 and then sold them to Loria in 2002.

By: yankeefan1950

yankeefan1950 — Mon, 14 Nov 2011 21:33:39 +0000

Nice little article but it contains at least one factual error; Jeff Loria was not the owner of the Florida Marlins when they won their first title, Wayne Huizenga was. He then dismantled the team and opened the door for Loria to dump the Expos and buy the Marlins.

By: schlom

schlom — Mon, 14 Nov 2011 21:28:51 +0000

Wait, are we supposed to be surprised that a lawyer who made millions screwing over the people of Baltimore (as that’s who footed the bill for his lawsuits) is now screwing over the fans of Baltimore as the owner of the Orioles? It’s more like he’s continuing his life’s work.

By: randomdigits

randomdigits — Mon, 14 Nov 2011 18:48:41 +0000

The Union blackballed them. He would simply be supporting a Union shop by refusing to hire non-union workers.

I never heard of him trying to get the Union to admit them.

Just like how he won’t sign Cuban defectors…oh wait he signed Baez…. I guess he just won’t sign Cuban defectors first…

By: Kevin S.

Kevin S. — Mon, 14 Nov 2011 18:36:52 +0000

There’s a difference between not signing replacement players during the strike and blackballing them afterwards.

By: tuftsb

tuftsb — Mon, 14 Nov 2011 18:07:34 +0000

The position that Angelos took in the 1994-95 strike was related to his past legal work with labor unions and mostly by the desire to not break up Cal Ripken’s streak by using replacement players.

There was another problem with the use of replacement players – Ontario law. The Toronto Blue Jays would not have been allowed to play games in Canada.

Would the team have played 162 road games in 1995 if Selig got his wish?

By: APBA Guy

APBA Guy — Mon, 14 Nov 2011 17:47:07 +0000

Very interesting. I think balanced also. Only one problem. He won’t sell the team. Again, like Steinbrenner. The Angelos kids will run it. Surprised there was no insight into their personalities.

By: Francisco (FC)

Francisco (FC) — Mon, 14 Nov 2011 17:39:10 +0000

I think he’s referring to the side picture of Angelos sharing a hug with Palmeiro:

“Like Al Davis, you can find picture of Angelos embracing some of his sport’s lesser Satans.

By: Kyle

Kyle — Mon, 14 Nov 2011 17:28:42 +0000

Great read. I never knew the history of Angelos. What a conflicting guy.

By: randomdigits

randomdigits — Mon, 14 Nov 2011 17:19:43 +0000

Keep in mind Angelos hired Millar and Walker as players on his team, both of which were replacement players and never allowed into the players union. So while he does deserve credit for his actions during the lockout I am not sure you can say with certainty that he stood by those principals.

By: cur68

cur68 — Mon, 14 Nov 2011 17:02:27 +0000

A long read, but worth it. I wonder how much Flanagan’s death has affected Angelos? A person as withdrawn as that, with that much sense of civic duty and being a career crusader would have taken it pretty hard. Objectively I think, you could easily view Angelos’s behaviour through the lens of loyalty, rather than than ego, but I don’t hold my view above Berhardt’s.Duquette has a rep as a roster builder, or he did at one time. I’m kind of rooting for him and Angelos after that article. I guess I’m just contrary that way.

By: cintiphil

cintiphil — Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:57:27 +0000

Come on now. Pappa Bear and Al Davis should never be used in the same sentence. Al was just a bit more than weird. Halas was not! Although Angelos is not close to either of them. He is just a guy with money who thinks he can be a baseball mogul. Not smart enough to allow his manager and coaches to run the team.

By: Jonny 5

Jonny 5 — Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:57:25 +0000

Actually I was thinking he was a dead ringer for Vigo the Carpathian….

By: cur68

cur68 — Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:57:21 +0000

Beat me too it Church.

By: sdelmonte

sdelmonte — Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:56:38 +0000

What a great article, with a rare sense of perspective. (For a short time after the baseball strike, I proudly wore an Orioles cap to salute Angelos’ unwillingness to use non-union players. It’s interesting to see that he has been a man of principle all his life, even if he is a lousy owner of a baseball team.)

And what an odd website. I saw at least three articles that would make me snarl in disdain just browsing the homepage.

By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged

churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged — Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:53:14 +0000

To compare Peter Angelos to Al Davis is something a yuppie media person that has no clue would do.

Or someone who can’t read? The one comparison made in the article is Angelos to Steinbrenner, and of course the author does a nice hatchet job on Steinbrenner, listing all his faults without any of the benefits.

By: tashkalucy

tashkalucy — Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:34:17 +0000

To compare Peter Angelos to Al Davis is something a yuppie media person that has no clue would do.

Al Davis was beloved by most of his players. If Al found out that an ex-player or his wife needed an operation 30 years after playing for him, Al footed the bill. Al knew the game of football inside and out, and if he was guilty of anything, it was not having patience with you people – including coaches – that thought they knew it all. John Madden and others ever had a real problem with Mr. Davis.

After comparing Peter Angelos – a guy that knows nothing about his sport and has not accomplished anything in it – to one of the great coaches and owners in the NFL, perhaps next the writer will compare Daniel Snyder with George Halas.

Did agree with the rest of the article though.

By: randomdigits

randomdigits — Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:19:07 +0000

For years my friends that are not O’s fans ask what the problem with the O’s is. I tell them you can’t change the owner.

The sad thing is the sons don’t look to be any better. That and MASN is controlled by PA, not the team so if the team ever does get sold, MASN might not go with them which would keep them firmly logged in small/mid market status.

By: yankeesgameday

yankeesgameday — Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:17:59 +0000

With that comment thus thread should be locked. Sometimes you just dont need to hear any more.

By: WhenMattStairsIsKing

WhenMattStairsIsKing — Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:04:07 +0000

I had no idea Angelos also looked like Gollum’s grandfather, either.