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Hanley Ramirez “not at all pleased” about having to switch positions for Jose Reyes

Nov 15, 2011, 8:15 AM EDT

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Last Thursday, Hanley Ramirez was quoted as saying that “it would be a good move” for the Marlins to sign Jose Reyes. He sidestepped questions about a position change, though he did note that he considered himself a shortstop.

Seems that that’s pretty much the limit of his diplomatic skills, because Clark Spencer of the Miami Herald tweeted that Ramirez was “not at all pleased” with a possible move to third base. In an article by Spencer posted last night, Ramirez is quoted as saying “I’m the shortstop. I’ve always been a shortstop.”  Spencer added that Ramirez and Reyes — despite being portrayed as friends by some — are actually not friendly with one another.

Sort of a poor-man’s Jeter-A-Rod, eh?  Except in this instance the new guy, assuming Reyes signs with Miami, isn’t going to switch positions and the old guy does not have one scintilla of the diplomatic skills and goodwill built up to be able to successfully pull off such intransigence.

As Spencer notes, there have been a lot of shortstops who have made the switch to third, with A-Rod and Cal Ripken Jr. being the most notable. Ramirez is not so great a shortstop that he will stick at short long term anyway, and his bat is strong enough to play anywhere, third base included.

But if his pouting skills are as strong as his hitting skills, this could be a fairly ugly situation for Ozzie Guillen to have to manage.

  1. bleedgreen - Nov 15, 2011 at 8:22 AM

    As much as I dislike Hanley, is he better than Jimmy Rollins at this point? Does it make sense to try and get him from Meeyamee?

    • The Common Man - Nov 15, 2011 at 9:10 AM

      His struggles last year were related to a bad back, but I don’t think there was indication that it was chronic. Provided that’s healed, yes, he’s about a billion times better than Jimmy Rollins.

      • Alex K - Nov 15, 2011 at 9:17 AM

        After a quick calculation it is actually a 1.2 billion times better.


      • Old Gator - Nov 15, 2011 at 11:58 AM

        He had a 40-point BA falloff the season before, too. Hanley’s been on the downslide ever since he accepted that accursed amulet from Scrooge McLoria. Season ‘fore last it only affected his head. Now it’s spreading to his connective tissue. And with every new desperate attempt to throw that diamond-studded anathema away (the last one, and the end of the 2010 season, involved encasing it in cement, chartering a helicopter and dropping it into the ocean over the deepest part of the Puerto Rico Trench. When he got home, it was sitting on his nighttable. He screamed and threw it out the window. It hit him in the back of the head, causing this past season’s neck and shoulder problems), it gets worse. Then he started wearing it on the road, hoping his strange would filch it while he slept. Okay, wakes up one morning, gone. You know what happens next, right? He suddenly bites down on it while….

    • mox19380 - Nov 15, 2011 at 9:14 AM

      I’d say he’s definitely better than J-Roll but thats only when he’s trying. The guy doesn’t try and I don’t think being in Philly would necessarily insure that. Defensively they’re probably on par (although with work Ramirez could get better) and offensively Ramirez definitely has the upside. I just don’t see any feasible way the Phillies can make an offer sweet enough to lure the Marlins

      • bigleagues - Nov 15, 2011 at 10:31 AM

        Rollins is still clearly a better defensive player than HanRam and Reyes.

  2. kingkillerstudios - Nov 15, 2011 at 8:23 AM

    Other Met fans may feel differently, but I really don’t Reyes to go somewhere in the division…UNLESS his doing so annoys that little fart-knocker Hanley Ramirez, in which case, git ‘er done.

  3. The Common Man - Nov 15, 2011 at 9:11 AM

    Solution: Hanley plays third base. Reyes plays second base. Ozzie Guillen plays shortstop? Everybody happy? Nobody? Perfect.

  4. areyesrn - Nov 15, 2011 at 9:55 AM

    Trade him to the Phillies…HAH

  5. Kanonen80 - Nov 15, 2011 at 9:58 AM

    Something tells me Ozzie isn’t going to have a problem with this. He’s all about respect, so if Hanley continues to be a selfish pain, the fireworks are going to fly. My bet is Ozzie has no problem torching the ‘Face of the Franchise’ publicly. Other managers might handle him with kid-gloves, but it will be a cold day in hell when Ozzie lets players/owners walk all over him without saying something.

    • Old Gator - Nov 15, 2011 at 12:32 PM

      Slobbering Ozzie is going to have a beegger problem than that. Eventually, even that incoherent clown is going to realize that while he waits for his new suzerains to land heem a weener, they’re going Feeshing with unbaited hooks. If Joe Girardi got canned for being contemptuous of his boss, there are pretty good odds that he was contemptuous for a reason.

      • kingkillerstudios - Nov 15, 2011 at 1:36 PM

        +1 use of “suzerains”

      • protius - Nov 15, 2011 at 9:37 PM

        Gator, we get it….you don’t like Ozzie. But can you give it a rest already? It’s getting old (and tiresome).

      • Old Gator - Nov 15, 2011 at 10:17 PM

        Not nearly as tiresome as Slobbering Ozzie is going to get by the time he’s been here for a half season or so.

  6. bigleagues - Nov 15, 2011 at 10:17 AM

    What’s going on here should be obvious to everyone . . .

    The Marlins are tired of HanRam and want to trade him. Except you can’t trade your best player when you are opening a new stadium with a name/uniform change.

    So, if you are Jeffrey Lauria and Larry Beinfest how do you resolve this quandary?

    Well, they replace him with the Met’s superstar SS, who was being hailed as the best player in baseball before being derailed by an injury.

    Lauria and Beinfest know that being forced from SS will piss HanRam off, shifting negative publicity onto his shoulders and giving the Marlins the excuse they need to deal Ramirez.

    If the Marlins do indeed sign Reyes, you can take it to the bank . . . the Marlins will trade HanRam before Opening Day.

    • Old Gator - Nov 15, 2011 at 12:01 PM


      Otherwise, you’ve got it pretty accurate – except that there’s going to be a trial period to make sure his shoulder has healed. No one is going to take damaged goods at that price unless Scrooge and the Chihuahua pick up a lot of the tab – and you know Scrooge McLoria would rather choke.

  7. cintiphil - Nov 15, 2011 at 10:44 AM

    Well, it is always good to start off the new job by making enemies out of the co-workers, right? Now it is almost a must to get rid of Hanley.

  8. marshmallowsnake - Nov 15, 2011 at 10:44 AM

    Wait…when did Reyes sign? Oh, he did not…then Hanley should stop crying.

  9. bennoj - Nov 15, 2011 at 10:59 AM

    Hanley’s just showing that he has just as much class as Michael Young…

  10. omegaichiban - Nov 15, 2011 at 12:22 PM

    tough titties Hanley…The worst thing the Yankees did, was keep jeter @ short. He couldn’t be the captain @ third? A-Rod, who was the better player, would have been comfortable and the Yanks would probably have 2 more rings now. If Reyes is the better shortstop, shut up and move cause Ozzie don’t play!!!

  11. foreverchipper10 - Nov 15, 2011 at 1:00 PM

    Any chance they try him at 2nd and have Infante man the hot corner? Seems most of the talk places Hanley at 3rd or a chance he moves to the OF. Playing him at 2nd keeps him as part of a double play combo and cuts down his distance on throws to first.

  12. giselleisasucubus - Nov 15, 2011 at 1:17 PM

    trade him back to Boston. As a Sox fan, I will gladly take back a ss in his mid 20’s who had 1 bad year. Come on back, Hanley!!

  13. 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Nov 15, 2011 at 1:28 PM

    Welcome back to Boston, Hanley? Tough to be a clubhouse cancer when the entire clubhouse is in disarray. Seems like he could fit right in

  14. parasonic - Nov 15, 2011 at 8:26 PM

    chipper is another notable ss to 3rd player

  15. protius - Nov 15, 2011 at 9:33 PM

    Ramirez is actually a bigger punk then Reyes. They belong together on the punk allstar team.

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