Comments on: Kirk Gibson, Joe Maddon named Managers of the Year

By: Utley's Hair

Utley's Hair — Thu, 17 Nov 2011 05:00:57 +0000

Amen to that. The only managers that should be considered are the ones from the other 26 teams of volunteers. And I guess Terry Collins is sleeping with one eye open, right?

By: Utley's Hair

Utley's Hair — Thu, 17 Nov 2011 04:57:52 +0000

Congratulations to Gibson and Maddon. They both seem to be the best choices within the loose parameters of the award’s guidelines.

By: cintiphil

cintiphil — Wed, 16 Nov 2011 21:46:46 +0000

The only managers who do not deserve to be considered in the NL or AL are the ones with all of the paid for talent like the Yankees, Phillies, Mets and Redsox. If you can’t win with the line ups they pay for, then you should be fired.

By: umrguy42

umrguy42 — Wed, 16 Nov 2011 21:33:01 +0000

I think the question was how well St. Louis would contend given the loss of Wainwright prior to the season. I’m a little surprised at how far back TLR is in the points, behind Roenicke, even. (But, to be fair, I’m often a blatant homer.)

By: bobdira

bobdira — Wed, 16 Nov 2011 20:58:19 +0000

That’s an interesting perspective. I would agree, to a point, if there are no repeat manager of the year winners (from the same team also). Hey Craig, what about it?????

By: DJ MC

DJ MC — Wed, 16 Nov 2011 20:55:29 +0000

Craig,

Four voters thought Fredi Gonzalez was the third-best manager in the NL this season.

And…go!

By: b7p19

b7p19 — Wed, 16 Nov 2011 20:01:52 +0000

The funny thing about this award is that it relies on the team around the manager to have previously been horrible…regardless of whether or not the manager was part of the reason they were previously horrible.

By: sdelmonte

sdelmonte — Wed, 16 Nov 2011 19:50:31 +0000

Judging the effectiveness of a manager is hard to do, beyond which ones are actively bad or actively good. It’s not like those other sports where play calling is part of the job. Yeah, a manager can call for bunts and pitchouts and so on, but it’s a big gulf between that and the insanely fat playbook of the NFL and even the clipboard of Pat Riley.

Which is not a bad thing. We don’t really go to a game to see great managers, after all.

By: SmackSaw

SmackSaw — Wed, 16 Nov 2011 19:40:54 +0000

So does Charlie Manuel. So did Casey Stengal and Sparky Anderson. Your point?

By: stlouis1baseball

stlouis1baseball — Wed, 16 Nov 2011 19:38:08 +0000

Agreed Falcon. Initially, the Cardinals were expected to contend. This of course was PRIOR to Holliday going down…AP going down…Freese going down…releasing their closer in June…using 8 or 9 3rd Baseman…8 or 9 2nd Baseman…6 Shortstops…a revolving Door of a bullpen that led the league in Blown Saves…and off course their pitching coach being gone for the entire Month of September. All of which left TLR with making every decision from lineup to batting order to pitching rotation to bulllpen. Other than this…the Cardinals were expected to contend.
To clarify though…Gibson and Maddon winning the awards were much deserved. Both guys did a wonderful job this year.

By: phukyouk

phukyouk — Wed, 16 Nov 2011 19:22:05 +0000

Congrats! well deserved on both accounts. this, in my opinion, was almost as no doubter as Verlander

By: thefalcon123

thefalcon123 — Wed, 16 Nov 2011 19:15:30 +0000

Like Craig said, it usually has to do with how much better a team did than expected. A lot people expected the Cardinals to be competitive and win about 90 games. They just did it in really weird, incredibly exciting fashion.

By: Detroit Michael

Detroit Michael — Wed, 16 Nov 2011 19:13:41 +0000

“were” instead of “where” of course. We need an edit function.

By: Detroit Michael

Detroit Michael — Wed, 16 Nov 2011 19:12:30 +0000

So, did the people who voted for Manny Acta think the Indians overachieved even though they finished under .500, 15 games out of first place? Or where those ballots postmarked in early July?

By: seanmk

seanmk — Wed, 16 Nov 2011 19:07:44 +0000

i figure maddon won because of the comeback but then i’m wondering why tony la russa wouldn’t get more votes for doing something equally hard. sort of weird that he got no love.

By: toosoxy

toosoxy — Wed, 16 Nov 2011 19:04:15 +0000

yeah, but joe maddon says crazy things. often.