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Report: Albert Pujols believed to have nine-year offer on the table from the Marlins

Nov 16, 2011, 2:15 AM EDT

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When we woke up Tuesday morning, we learned that the Marlins reportedly made a six-year, $90 million offer for Jose Reyes. Well, their offer for Albert Pujols almost certainly blows that one out of the water.

According to Tim Brown of Yahoo! Sports, the Marlins’ offer to Pujols “is believed to be” for nine years.

Unfortunately Brown’s report doesn’t tell us anything about the proposed dollar amount, but what we do know is that Pujols turned down a nine-year offer from the Cardinals in February. We’ve been under the impression that Pujols was offered approximately $210 million (or $23.3 million per season) at the time, but Jerry Crasnick of ESPN.com reported Tuesday night that the Cardinals didn’t even top $200 million.

Jon Heyman of SI.com reported over the weekend that the Cardinals weren’t going to improve the offer their previous offer unless forced to do so by a competing bid. We’ve regularly wondered where that bid would come from since the Yankees and Red Sox are presumed to be out of the mix. The Marlins are clearly trying to create some buzz for their new ballpark, so even if Pujols wants to stay in St. Louis, his agent Dan Lozano may have found the perfect leverage here.

  1. dondada10 - Nov 16, 2011 at 6:30 AM

    Your move, St. Louis.

    • paperlions - Nov 16, 2011 at 7:07 AM

      Do you really think the Marlins offer tops $200M? I can’t imagine it does.

      • Old Gator - Nov 16, 2011 at 8:19 AM

        You just did.

      • skane2005 - Nov 16, 2011 at 8:31 AM

        The inflation rate in Miami must be about 50% higher than the rest of the nation. This is all a publicity stunt.

      • Ari Collins - Nov 16, 2011 at 8:59 AM

        Hah, nice one, Gator.

  2. Tribe&Browns&Cavs - Nov 16, 2011 at 7:16 AM

    Nine Years, Nine Million

  3. blueintown - Nov 16, 2011 at 7:19 AM

    Jon Heyman of SI.com reported over the weekend that the Cardinals weren’t going to improve the offer their previous offer unless forced to do so by a competing bid.
    _______________________________________________________________

    There’s that ridiculous line again.

    • paperlions - Nov 16, 2011 at 7:46 AM

      I’d love to learn, it is part of my job….so, please, educate me. In what world is offering more than required a good business model? This isn’t retail, where if someone won’t pay the asking price it sits on the shelf until someone will do so. This is an auction format where the highest bidder (usually) gets the item. If you are already the highest bidder, you don’t keep bidding against yourself. Doing so is ridiculous.

      • blueintown - Nov 16, 2011 at 8:20 AM

        You have a serious problem with reading and/or understanding the english language. I posted a segment of the article that states “The Cardinals will not increase their offer unless forced to do so by a competing bid”. I called that line ridiculous. I said this because the notion that the Cardinals would arbitrarily raise their bid without outside competition is preposterous, which is exactly the “point” you keep replying with every time I post. If I posted “the sky is blue”, you would undoubtedly reply with “No, the sky is BLUE!” I’m not calling the Cardinals ridiculous, I’m calling the statement by the author ridiculous.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Nov 16, 2011 at 8:36 AM

        In fairness, you weren’t exactly clear in your comment. There was an implication that is what you meant, but it was by no means clear cut.

      • paperlions - Nov 16, 2011 at 8:41 AM

        ^^
        This.

        The implication in your post was that the concept in statement was ridiculous. It isn’t my fault that what you posted meant the opposite of what you intended.

      • blueintown - Nov 16, 2011 at 9:58 AM

        I apologize for the confusion. But this is the second time you’ve come at me with this, paper. And the first time I didn’t even say anything about the statement in question. In fact, I had made a comment about “the love of Cardinals Nation” being irrelevant, and that Pujols would go to the highest bidder, thus supporting the same free market principles you are defending, which you somehow interpreted as me suggesting the Cardinals arbitrarily raise their offer without being leveraged to do so.

      • paperlions - Nov 16, 2011 at 11:22 AM

        First, I have not “come at you” with anything. You said things that made no sense or were untrue and I asked for clarification or stated stated that you were wrong.

        Second, being adored by a fan base is worth money. Baseball players do not get local endorsement deals for being great players, but for being adored by fans. In StL, he will make more auxiliary income than anywhere else because of the opportunities and already established relationships).

      • blueintown - Nov 16, 2011 at 11:50 AM

        Go ahead and tell me what I said that made no sense and I will be happy to clarify. If Albert Pujols stays in St. Louis and produces at the same clip he will be adored by that fan base. If Albert Pujols goes to Miami and produces he will be adored by that fan base. If Albert Pujols goes to Alaska and produces he will be adored by that fan base. If you are talking about local endorsements, that will make up about .0001% of his future salary, especially in STL.There are far bigger markets to maximize local — or national– endorsement dollars. That’s not a knock on St. Louis, it’s just true.

  4. captaincanoe - Nov 16, 2011 at 7:47 AM

    Someone should start asking where the Marlins are getting this kind of money.

    • Lukehart80 - Nov 16, 2011 at 8:02 AM

      They don’t have to actually have this kind of money; it’s not as though Pujols, Reyes, Buehrle, and Ringo are all actually going to accept these offers and force the Marlins to come up with another $50MM a year.

  5. ducksouped - Nov 16, 2011 at 8:03 AM

    He’s taking his talents to south beach

    • Old Gator - Nov 16, 2011 at 8:19 AM

      Come on. this is the guy who accepted an award directly from the hands of Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin for being a good, upstanding, Christian American family first moral kind of guy. South Beach? Please. He’s about as likely to be found hanging out in that den of sin and iniquity as Sarah Palin is to go have a fling with a basketball player.

      • hotkarlsandwich - Nov 16, 2011 at 8:45 AM

        Sarah Palin’s daughter on the other hand…

      • salvomania - Nov 16, 2011 at 9:45 AM

        I think Gator is making a reference to Palin boning Chris Webber and perhaps some others back when she was a sportscaster and the college teams came out for the Great Alaska Shootout.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Nov 16, 2011 at 9:48 AM

        Glen Rice. She banged Glen Rice.

      • blueintown - Nov 16, 2011 at 10:06 AM

        In all seriousness..what if Pujols’ conservatism plays a part in this? If he receives the same deal from STL and MIA, he has to take the later, right? No state income tax. You get to keep more of your megadeal in Florida. Right Lebron? Right Chris?

      • stlouis1baseball - Nov 16, 2011 at 11:04 AM

        When this “news” broke I wondered if it where true…and who the player was.
        Let me just say…if true…Glen Rice is a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, lucky man.

      • cintiphil - Nov 16, 2011 at 11:39 AM

        How much is the no tax thing worth? Does it really matter? What is the tax rate in the state of Mo. If it is in the 3-5% area, that is not a big deal. We are taking about a lot more money than that.

      • blueintown - Nov 16, 2011 at 12:51 PM

        Cint — MO state income tax is 6%. On a $200 mil contract that comes out to around (gulp) $12 mil. When you consider the most he’s ever made in a year up until now is around $14.6 mil, it looks like a sizable amount of cheddar.

  6. beerjunkie - Nov 16, 2011 at 8:17 AM

    Fearless prediction: Pujols resigns with STL for 8 years and $208 million plus 2% team ownership.

    • salvomania - Nov 16, 2011 at 9:44 AM

      MLB rules forbid an active player having any ownership stake in a team.

    • thefalcon123 - Nov 16, 2011 at 12:36 PM

      6 years, $120 million with a $40 million dollar bonus for winning the Cy Young and $180 million dollar bonus for winning consecutive Rookie of the Year Awards.

  7. xmatt0926x - Nov 16, 2011 at 8:53 AM

    Another “offer” that the team knows the player will never accept. If they were serious they would blow the doors off and offer Prince Fielder a monster deal since he actually needs a team to bid for him whereas the Cardinals will match any reasonable offer made to Pujols. Those marlins are pesky!!

  8. stlouis1baseball - Nov 16, 2011 at 8:56 AM

    I need some Pepto Bismol…or a shot (or 5) of Tequila.

  9. Ari Collins - Nov 16, 2011 at 9:11 AM

    Thank you, Marlins, for making this a more interesting offseason. Whether your offers turn out to be genuine or not, you’re at least making headlines and scaring the fans of the 29 other teams. (Actually, you’re probably scaring some Marlins fans as well.)

  10. spudchukar - Nov 16, 2011 at 9:14 AM

    Been wondering about this for awhile. Does anyone know when the term “offer” is used what that actually means? Is their documentation? Notarized? MLB sanctioned? Verbal? Telepathic? Without some written proof either side could propose whatever suits them. Hard to fathom that there is an “honor code” between agents and owners. Any thoughts?

  11. sloozeronymous - Nov 16, 2011 at 10:19 AM

    I imagine players don’t care too much about this given how much they move between different houses in different parts of the country, but it’d be interesting if cost-of-living ever factors into their decision-making. Miami is a bit over 15.5% more expensive to live in than St. Louis, meaning a $23.3 million offer in the latter is equal to around $26.9 in the former. Again, I doubt this factors into decision-making in any meaningful way — seems like athletes just compare themselves to each other for benchmarking — but I thought it was vaguely interesting to think about.

    • stlouis1baseball - Nov 16, 2011 at 12:27 PM

      Slooze: From what I understand…the lack of a state tax in Florida played a huge role in LeBron picking the Heat in lieu of the Knicks. If memory serves…LeBron will save over $30 million during the length of his contract as a result.

  12. crookedstick - Nov 16, 2011 at 10:27 AM

    Jon Heyman of SI.com reported over the weekend that the Cardinals weren’t going to improve the offer their previous offer unless forced to do so by a competing bid.
    ————————————————————————————————————–

    It might not be the most worthless statement of all time since it’s not like Mozeliak doesn’t have a track record of bidding against himself, i.e. Holliday.

  13. cordellgc - Nov 16, 2011 at 10:32 AM

    the marlins are using a large shipment of cocaine seized on a boat to build there team… how 1980’s of them to build things with drug money in hard economic times

    • Old Gator - Nov 16, 2011 at 12:13 PM

      And as we all know, dope will get you through hard times of no money better than money will get you through hard times of no dope.
      ….The Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers

  14. cintiphil - Nov 16, 2011 at 10:43 AM

    Maybe now, we can get him out of the division. How many times do the Reds play the Marlins in 2012? It has to be less than playing the cards.

    • stlouis1baseball - Nov 16, 2011 at 11:08 AM

      Again Cincy…hard for me to understand where you are coming from here. I agree with my buddies (Redlegs fans along with a couple of Cubs fans)…his being in the Central reflects very well on the Central. Also reflects very well on those who are competitive in the Central. You always want to play and beat the best. That is true if it is ping pong, baseketball, corn hole,
      hop scotch or tiddly winks.

      • cintiphil - Nov 16, 2011 at 11:22 AM

        If he was on the Reds team, then he can reflect greatness. I don’t care to end up second or third behind a team Albert is on.

  15. motobus - Nov 16, 2011 at 11:27 AM

    One thing everyone seems to be forgetting about the Marlins’ offers is that there’s a tax benefit to the players who play in Florida, as there is no state income tax.

    • cintiphil - Nov 16, 2011 at 12:49 PM

      What is the state tax in Mo? If not more than 3-5%, it is not a major benefit in this case.

  16. materialman80 - Nov 16, 2011 at 11:56 AM

    Albert stays in St. Louis. He is too smart a guy to leave.

  17. thejotapee - Nov 16, 2011 at 12:03 PM

    According to Joe Frisaro, the offer is 9 years, $25 million per. That’s a pretty lucrative offer!

    • thefalcon123 - Nov 16, 2011 at 12:26 PM

      -“Ricky Butler says they’re nocturnal feeders”
      “Oh, *Ricky Butler* says!”.

      Where did Frisaro say this? I checked his twitter and blog and couldn’t find this info. Can you toss a URL our way?

      • thejotapee - Nov 16, 2011 at 12:35 PM

        Marlins.com, palm beach post, sun-sentinel, look it up on any of those three. They’re all reporting it.

  18. stlouis1baseball - Nov 16, 2011 at 12:24 PM

    If this is true…it appears he may be heading to Florida. As I have said many times…I will never begrudge a person their right to additional monies and fair market compensation. But when that person repeatedly states they are far more insterested in winning on a consistent basis than the monies of a particular contract…that person better go to a competitive team.
    Otherwise, that person is a lying SELLOUT.

    http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/marlins/2011/11/16/report-marlins-may-have-offered-albert-pujols-9-years-225-million/?utm_source=bleacherreport.com&utm_medium=referral

    • thefalcon123 - Nov 16, 2011 at 12:34 PM

      “The Miami Marlins aren’t messing around. Their standing offer to Albert Pujols(notes) is believed to be for nine years. With a competitive average annual value (say $25 million), that’s $225 million, minimum, and that’s more than what the St. Louis Cardinals are believed to have offered in the spring.”—-Tim Brown

      –That does *not* say the Marlins offered him $25 million per year. It’s saying they offered him 9 years with a “competitive average annual salary”, the $25 million part was Brown’s invention based upon what he thinks an competitive salary for Pujols might be.

      This isn’t to say it isn’t the case, but there is no real indication that the Marlins have offered Pujols $225 million.

  19. okwhitefalcon - Nov 16, 2011 at 12:50 PM

    I have no idea if this “offer” is true, none of us do really.

    Same goes for what STL allegedly offered before the season, everything from $190 million to $210 million and all points in between over 9 years have been passed off as “the real offer”.

    It’s fun to speculate, argue semantics etc but it’s all conjecture – for now.

    • stlouis1baseball - Nov 16, 2011 at 1:15 PM

      I hear you White. Still doesn’t make me any less concerened. Pepto Bismol? Tequila?

      • okwhitefalcon - Nov 16, 2011 at 1:31 PM

        I’m with ya, very concerned here as well.

        I think a Pepto/tequila cocktail is definitely in order, I think that would be a fine combo to wash down a Xanax as well.

  20. mgscott - Nov 16, 2011 at 1:20 PM

    Albert to take his talents to Souf beach

    • stlouis1baseball - Nov 16, 2011 at 1:22 PM

      Did you really just say “Souf” Beach? Is this a knew form of Ebonics? I am serious. Please tell me it was a typo.

      • stlouis1baseball - Nov 16, 2011 at 1:24 PM

        “knew” = “new.”
        Of course…maybe the use of the word “knew” in this context is now ebonics for “new.” LOL!

  21. dchaban - Nov 16, 2011 at 2:02 PM

    In relation to taxes, one thing to consider is that pro athletes that play in various states have to pay income tax in every state that they play. It’s proportional, so if they play 8 games in FL, they would have to pay 8 times whatever they get per game in income tax if that state has income tax. I read this in relation to Darren Oliver, who at the time was playing for the Angels. His income tax statement was about 200 pages long the previous year.

    But, obviously, state of residence plays a larger role so even if he plays in FL, he might choose to live somewhere else and then that state’s income tax is what actually matters.

    I’m sure that if it came down to a matter of a few million and the Cardinals were close anyway, that they would come up with that few million. It’s not like that $12 million is given every year, it’s over the life of the contract.

  22. branders89 - Nov 17, 2011 at 10:10 AM

    Not sure I understand why all of the discussion is where Albert goes using dollar figures to make an argument.

    I want to know just how much can one man can spend in one lifetime. When you are talking about this kind of money plus the type of money that he can make from endorsements,it seems pretty stupid to mention the costs of living in different cities.

    How about the fact that Albert should be looking out for his legacy and his stability. What if he goes to another city and for whatever the reason, he becomes a bad fit and suddenly his numbers go down. And don’t tell me it can’t happen. Ken Griffey Jr was one of the greatest players of all time but in some circles, he isn’t considered that. He moved too much.

    Albert should stay right where he is and history is much more likely to treat him as the best baseball player of all time.
    Is this fact more important or is filling his agent’s pocket and his ability to say I make the more than the next guy more important?
    In my mind, he has to be crazy to leave St. Louis and I am not even a Cardinal fan

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