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The Red Sox to meet with Bobby Valentine on Monday

Nov 20, 2011, 12:32 PM EDT

Valentine

Today, Jeff Passan reports:

Bobby Valentine expects to meet with Red Sox GM Ben Cherington on Monday. Could emerge as favorite for manager if meeting goes well.

Interesting, because the other day the Boston Herald wrote:

Bobby Valentine has been a candidate for the Red Sox manager job from the early stages of the team’s search process, a club source said yesterday. Valentine was one of the first people interviewed by general manager Ben Cherington

Hmm. Interesting that Valentine’s candidacy depends on a good meeting with Cherington when he already interviewed with Cherington.

Or — and call me crazy — someone in the Sox front office was pulling the Herald’s chain the other day and was trying to make it look as though ownership didn’t totally undercut Cherington by injecting Valentine into the situation when Cherington was interviewing a totally different sort of candidate slate.

Insane. I know.

  1. brohancruyff - Nov 20, 2011 at 12:38 PM

    Or maybe the “club source” just doesn’t know what s/he is talking about.

    • JBerardi - Nov 20, 2011 at 12:50 PM

      NEWSFLASH: The Herald sports page may not be totally reliable.

  2. Old Gator - Nov 20, 2011 at 12:45 PM

    Craig:

    If you leave now, you should make it down here in time to catch the opening acts at the first annual Churchill’s Pub Invasive Species Festival, celebrating south Florida’s diversity:
    http://www.voiceplaces.com/invasive-species-festival-miami-3109780-e/

    Standby flights to Macondo should be abundant. Students are already home for the holidays. Housewives are busy filing their elbow spikes and polishing their brass knuckles for Black Friday, and they’ve got their husbands milling mindlessly around Winn-Dixie with shopping lists they can’t make bat shit out of. Grab this opportunity. The ecosystem will look like the bottom of a Shake N’ Bake bag by this time next year.

  3. bigleagues - Nov 20, 2011 at 12:54 PM

    Craig:

    You crazy!

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-SVPY5nV8N9I/Tph_I6NaOQI/AAAAAAAAahI/DkvEyHeFSlM/s400/you-crazy.jpg

  4. uyf1950 - Nov 20, 2011 at 1:00 PM

    Red Sox fans it’s only a matter of time. Get ready to meet and greet your NEW Manager – Bobby V.

  5. Jack Marshall - Nov 20, 2011 at 1:02 PM

    A long while back, Bill James wrote about data indicating the most successful managerial transitions were when hard-driving, disciplinarian types were replaced by more easy-going leaders, and vice-versa. Billy Martin-Bob Lemon-Billy Martin was the epitome of this. When I realized Francona would be sacked following his team’s melt-down, I assumed that Valentine would be the obvious choice, with James in the House of Sox.

    Who knows? Maybe the Sox are listening to the smartest guy they have?

    • JBerardi - Nov 20, 2011 at 4:16 PM

      It’s funny how the Cardinals and White Sox can hire a couple managers with no experience whatsoever and no one notices or cars, but the Red Sox are apparently on the verge of hiring a guy with a long track record of success and it’s ZOMG THE RED SOX ARE DYSFUNCTIONAL?1?!!!!!!11!!ONE!

      • paperlions - Nov 20, 2011 at 7:46 PM

        It has nothing to do with the result of any process, but the lack of a coherent process.

        Bobby Valentine’s long track record of success:

        15 Years managing
        .490 Winning %
        0 first place teams
        2 Teams that won 90+ games
        2 Playoff appearances
        1 WS appearance
        0 Championships

    • bigharold - Nov 21, 2011 at 12:05 PM

      “Who knows? Maybe the Sox are listening to the smartest guy they have?”

      Careful Jame is merely a statistician. And, while hiring someone with the opposite managerial style might generate short term, i.e. a season give or take, any improvement long term it levels out. In fact Billy Martin, as suggested, was an excellent example of that. Valentine always impressed me as Billy Martin lite. Same attitude, same MO, without all the drinking and fighting.

      In the end, he’ll need players that will respond to his managerial style or the immediate effect will dissipate fairly quickly. And, unlike Martin’s time players don’t respond as well to dictator types.

      Martin used to say that there are 25 guys on a team. Five are on your side and will do anything for you no matter what. Five aren’t on your side and won’t do a thing for you no matter what. It’s the managers job to keep the 15 guys in the middle from going over to the other side. If the RS hire Valentine he might get an early boost but he better find a way to keep his players on his side if he wants anything like sustained success.

  6. proudlycanadian - Nov 20, 2011 at 1:59 PM

    The key question in the interview will be cake vs pie. If he answers pie, he will be toast.

    • cur68 - Nov 20, 2011 at 2:13 PM

      And rightly so.

  7. lovesmesomeme - Nov 20, 2011 at 2:54 PM

    This is not going to end well.

  8. mempusa - Nov 20, 2011 at 6:22 PM

    Worst move the sox could make. BV is more concerned with the post game interview than winning the game

    • j0esixpack - Nov 20, 2011 at 10:32 PM

      You think Valentine likes giving post game interviews after losing?

      I don’t think so either.

      I’m not sure what the payroll was of all the teams he managed, but with the Sox he’ll have almost as much as the Yankees to spend.

      One thing is certain to me – these guys don’t need a “players coach” – and Bobby V. is definitely not a “players coach”

  9. mgscott - Nov 20, 2011 at 6:47 PM

    Bobby Valentine ? hahaha, there’s a reason why he’s been on TV for the last few years.

  10. spudchukar - Nov 21, 2011 at 12:46 PM

    A re-enactment of the Valentine’s Day Massacre.

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