Comments on: The Red Sox to meet with Bobby Valentine on Monday http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/20/the-red-sox-to-meet-with-bobby-valentine-on-monday/ Baseball. Baseball. And then a bit more baseball. Wed, 22 May 2013 13:53:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: spudchukar http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/20/the-red-sox-to-meet-with-bobby-valentine-on-monday/comment-page-1/#comment-225235 Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:46:12 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=98889#comment-225235 A re-enactment of the Valentine’s Day Massacre.

]]> By: bigharold http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/20/the-red-sox-to-meet-with-bobby-valentine-on-monday/comment-page-1/#comment-225201 Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:05:37 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=98889#comment-225201 “Who knows? Maybe the Sox are listening to the smartest guy they have?”

Careful Jame is merely a statistician. And, while hiring someone with the opposite managerial style might generate short term, i.e. a season give or take, any improvement long term it levels out. In fact Billy Martin, as suggested, was an excellent example of that. Valentine always impressed me as Billy Martin lite. Same attitude, same MO, without all the drinking and fighting.

In the end, he’ll need players that will respond to his managerial style or the immediate effect will dissipate fairly quickly. And, unlike Martin’s time players don’t respond as well to dictator types.

Martin used to say that there are 25 guys on a team. Five are on your side and will do anything for you no matter what. Five aren’t on your side and won’t do a thing for you no matter what. It’s the managers job to keep the 15 guys in the middle from going over to the other side. If the RS hire Valentine he might get an early boost but he better find a way to keep his players on his side if he wants anything like sustained success.

]]> By: j0esixpack http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/20/the-red-sox-to-meet-with-bobby-valentine-on-monday/comment-page-1/#comment-225104 Mon, 21 Nov 2011 03:32:51 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=98889#comment-225104 You think Valentine likes giving post game interviews after losing?

I don’t think so either.

I’m not sure what the payroll was of all the teams he managed, but with the Sox he’ll have almost as much as the Yankees to spend.

One thing is certain to me – these guys don’t need a “players coach” – and Bobby V. is definitely not a “players coach”

]]> By: paperlions http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/20/the-red-sox-to-meet-with-bobby-valentine-on-monday/comment-page-1/#comment-225086 Mon, 21 Nov 2011 00:46:52 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=98889#comment-225086 It has nothing to do with the result of any process, but the lack of a coherent process.

Bobby Valentine’s long track record of success:

15 Years managing
.490 Winning %
0 first place teams
2 Teams that won 90+ games
2 Playoff appearances
1 WS appearance
0 Championships

]]> By: mgscott http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/20/the-red-sox-to-meet-with-bobby-valentine-on-monday/comment-page-1/#comment-225078 Sun, 20 Nov 2011 23:47:21 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=98889#comment-225078 Bobby Valentine ? hahaha, there’s a reason why he’s been on TV for the last few years.

]]> By: mempusa http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/20/the-red-sox-to-meet-with-bobby-valentine-on-monday/comment-page-1/#comment-225074 Sun, 20 Nov 2011 23:22:24 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=98889#comment-225074 Worst move the sox could make. BV is more concerned with the post game interview than winning the game

]]> By: JBerardi http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/20/the-red-sox-to-meet-with-bobby-valentine-on-monday/comment-page-1/#comment-225042 Sun, 20 Nov 2011 21:16:50 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=98889#comment-225042 It’s funny how the Cardinals and White Sox can hire a couple managers with no experience whatsoever and no one notices or cars, but the Red Sox are apparently on the verge of hiring a guy with a long track record of success and it’s ZOMG THE RED SOX ARE DYSFUNCTIONAL?1?!!!!!!11!!ONE!

]]> By: lovesmesomeme http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/20/the-red-sox-to-meet-with-bobby-valentine-on-monday/comment-page-1/#comment-225021 Sun, 20 Nov 2011 19:54:18 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=98889#comment-225021 This is not going to end well.

]]> By: cur68 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/20/the-red-sox-to-meet-with-bobby-valentine-on-monday/comment-page-1/#comment-225007 Sun, 20 Nov 2011 19:13:24 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=98889#comment-225007 And rightly so.

]]> By: proudlycanadian http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/20/the-red-sox-to-meet-with-bobby-valentine-on-monday/comment-page-1/#comment-225000 Sun, 20 Nov 2011 18:59:59 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=98889#comment-225000 The key question in the interview will be cake vs pie. If he answers pie, he will be toast.

]]> By: Jack Marshall http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/20/the-red-sox-to-meet-with-bobby-valentine-on-monday/comment-page-1/#comment-224987 Sun, 20 Nov 2011 18:02:14 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=98889#comment-224987 A long while back, Bill James wrote about data indicating the most successful managerial transitions were when hard-driving, disciplinarian types were replaced by more easy-going leaders, and vice-versa. Billy Martin-Bob Lemon-Billy Martin was the epitome of this. When I realized Francona would be sacked following his team’s melt-down, I assumed that Valentine would be the obvious choice, with James in the House of Sox.

Who knows? Maybe the Sox are listening to the smartest guy they have?

]]> By: uyf1950 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/20/the-red-sox-to-meet-with-bobby-valentine-on-monday/comment-page-1/#comment-224986 Sun, 20 Nov 2011 18:00:00 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=98889#comment-224986 Red Sox fans it’s only a matter of time. Get ready to meet and greet your NEW Manager – Bobby V.

]]> By: bigleagues http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/20/the-red-sox-to-meet-with-bobby-valentine-on-monday/comment-page-1/#comment-224982 Sun, 20 Nov 2011 17:54:17 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=98889#comment-224982 Craig:

You crazy!

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-SVPY5nV8N9I/Tph_I6NaOQI/AAAAAAAAahI/DkvEyHeFSlM/s400/you-crazy.jpg

]]> By: JBerardi http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/20/the-red-sox-to-meet-with-bobby-valentine-on-monday/comment-page-1/#comment-224981 Sun, 20 Nov 2011 17:50:15 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=98889#comment-224981 NEWSFLASH: The Herald sports page may not be totally reliable.

]]> By: Old Gator http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/20/the-red-sox-to-meet-with-bobby-valentine-on-monday/comment-page-1/#comment-224978 Sun, 20 Nov 2011 17:45:12 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=98889#comment-224978 Craig:

If you leave now, you should make it down here in time to catch the opening acts at the first annual Churchill’s Pub Invasive Species Festival, celebrating south Florida’s diversity:
http://www.voiceplaces.com/invasive-species-festival-miami-3109780-e/

Standby flights to Macondo should be abundant. Students are already home for the holidays. Housewives are busy filing their elbow spikes and polishing their brass knuckles for Black Friday, and they’ve got their husbands milling mindlessly around Winn-Dixie with shopping lists they can’t make bat shit out of. Grab this opportunity. The ecosystem will look like the bottom of a Shake N’ Bake bag by this time next year.

]]> By: brohancruyff http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/20/the-red-sox-to-meet-with-bobby-valentine-on-monday/comment-page-1/#comment-224977 Sun, 20 Nov 2011 17:38:41 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=98889#comment-224977 Or maybe the “club source” just doesn’t know what s/he is talking about.

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