Comments on: Clint Barmes turned down Brewers to sign with Pirates

By: stairwayto7

stairwayto7 — Tue, 22 Nov 2011 04:18:08 +0000

What does that say that a below average player does nto want to play in the state of Wisconsin? I guess he does nto want to see 250 lbs, hairy lips beer drinking women every night.

By: drmonkeyarmy

drmonkeyarmy — Mon, 21 Nov 2011 22:01:48 +0000

This isn’t football or basketball where team chemistry is an extremely vital part of a team. I will buy chemistry being important between pitcher and catcher but that is about it. Baseball is really about measurables. Barmes is excellent defensively. That is not an intangible. There is concrete data to support that. Barmes, however, can’t hit. There is data to support that. Being a good clubhouse guy is largely irrelevant in baseball.

By: b7p19

b7p19 — Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:03:22 +0000

You know what helps to win games even more than intangibleness? Hits, Walks, Home Runs. I’m not typically one to shove stats down ones throat, but I’ve just never gotten the intagibles thing. Nobody has ever been able to actually explain to me how intangibles help, but I can easily explain the use of Hits, Walks, HR’s, ect. Maybe I just lack faith.

By: florida76

florida76 — Mon, 21 Nov 2011 19:18:34 +0000

Intangibles do help a club win games, and that’s the most important statistic of all.

By: paperlions

paperlions — Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:52:31 +0000

True. Change comes slowly, if it comes at all.

By: 78mu

78mu — Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:50:50 +0000

My theory is that Jim Hendry is an advisor for the Pirates and they are warming up on how to give bad contracts to crappy outfielders. Once they figure out how to overpay their middle infielders they will move up to contracts for the next Soriano, Bradley or Fukudome.

By: b7p19

b7p19 — Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:49:46 +0000

That may be just crazy enough to work. I’m just not sure if the baseball world is ready for an idea like that.

By: 78mu

78mu — Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:46:42 +0000

There was a big party at the Furcal house when they saw what Barmes signed for.

By: paperlions

paperlions — Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:39:25 +0000

No one.

By: b7p19

b7p19 — Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:36:49 +0000

Do intangibles help get on base? Because either they don’t or they do and Barmes doesn’t have any.

By: b7p19

b7p19 — Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:31:33 +0000

Well, if you have a better idea on who to give a bad contract to feel free to share.

By: florida76

florida76 — Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:21:02 +0000

Like the move, the Bucs just upgraded at the shortstop position. Barmes isn’t the long term answer, but Ronny Cedeno wore out his welcome. There’s more to baseball than statistics, and Hurdle is aware of the intangibles(besides the consistent glove), that Barmes brings to the position.

By: APBA Guy

APBA Guy — Mon, 21 Nov 2011 16:40:40 +0000

What is it about the Pirates and bad contracts for replacement level middle infielders?

By: lyon810

lyon810 — Mon, 21 Nov 2011 16:23:23 +0000

It still boggles my mind to see Barmes fetch $5.25 per season.