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	<title>Comments on: On second thought: the new CBA sells amateurs down the river</title>
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		<title>By: Dan in Katonah</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/22/on-second-thought-the-new-cba-sells-amateurs-down-the-river/comment-page-1/#comment-226427</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan in Katonah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 15:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My understanding is that the anti-trust exemption is what allows MLB to put in systems like this that other sports and industries could not.  The statement about artificial caps was a generalization and not meant to be political since people like to stray far too much into that sphere on this site.  I agree there are times when the free market definitely needs restraints and guides, but helping constrain billionaire owners from being spendthrifts is not one of them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My understanding is that the anti-trust exemption is what allows MLB to put in systems like this that other sports and industries could not.  The statement about artificial caps was a generalization and not meant to be political since people like to stray far too much into that sphere on this site.  I agree there are times when the free market definitely needs restraints and guides, but helping constrain billionaire owners from being spendthrifts is not one of them.</p>
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		<title>By: serqball</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[serqball]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 00:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agree with most everything except for the unnecessary political statements. &quot;Artificial caps on the free market...&quot; aren&#039;t always &quot;...just plain stupid,&quot; but they are incredibly short-sighted in this particular case for the reasons you and the post mentioned. Also not sure how you get from your first paragraph all the way to &quot;Take away the anti-trust exemption and let the free market rule.&quot; 

Otherwise, nice insight from someone with actual CBA experience.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with most everything except for the unnecessary political statements. &#8220;Artificial caps on the free market&#8230;&#8221; aren&#8217;t always &#8220;&#8230;just plain stupid,&#8221; but they are incredibly short-sighted in this particular case for the reasons you and the post mentioned. Also not sure how you get from your first paragraph all the way to &#8220;Take away the anti-trust exemption and let the free market rule.&#8221; </p>
<p>Otherwise, nice insight from someone with actual CBA experience.</p>
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		<title>By: b7p19</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[b7p19]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 22:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Two things, and I&#039;m not going say I might not be looking at this wrong:

Padres would have been able to sign Stephen Drew instead of having to go with Matt Bush.  There would be less power for guys like Scott Boras to hand pick a team before the draft.

Also, I&#039;m basing this on the assumption that teams would be able to use the &quot;bottom line&quot; savings on more players that can help the team.  Big assumption, I know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two things, and I&#8217;m not going say I might not be looking at this wrong:</p>
<p>Padres would have been able to sign Stephen Drew instead of having to go with Matt Bush.  There would be less power for guys like Scott Boras to hand pick a team before the draft.</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;m basing this on the assumption that teams would be able to use the &#8220;bottom line&#8221; savings on more players that can help the team.  Big assumption, I know.</p>
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		<title>By: JBerardi</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JBerardi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 21:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So? Why is that good for anything but team&#039;s bottom lines?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So? Why is that good for anything but team&#8217;s bottom lines?</p>
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		<title>By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 21:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But how far has the NFL changed?  Only person I know who posts stuff like this is Maury Brown with Biz of Baseball, is there a football equivalent?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But how far has the NFL changed?  Only person I know who posts stuff like this is Maury Brown with Biz of Baseball, is there a football equivalent?</p>
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		<title>By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 21:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;The penalties for going over the slot recomendations had to be severe in order to make sure big clubs wouldn’t continue to promise the prospects big money if the refused to sign with small clubs&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Except as mentioned above, the Pirates were the top spending team in the draft last year, and teams like the Royals/Twins/Angels spend far more money in the international market than teams like the Yankees.

&lt;blockquote&gt; Also, allowing small market teams to use more money in the international market than big clubs helps, so I’m not sure what the outrage is about here&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is the part I found on the link in the earlier post:
&lt;i&gt;Clubs will be given a &quot;pool&quot; of money to spend on bonuses for draft choices.  The amount of the &quot;pool&quot; for each club has not yet been reported, but is believed to be based on prior amounts spent on the draft.  Danny Knobler reports that MLB says the bonus pool for the 2012 draft will be $4.5 million to $11.5 million, depending on how many picks and on where a team picksThere is at least on report, as indicated in our first update to this story, that there is a mix between the bonus limits for spending on international free agent players&lt;/i&gt;

Not sure how smaller market teams are given an advantage.  It might be interesting to make it a sliding scale inverse to draft position (#1 team gets most money, #30 gets least) but that doesn&#039;t appear to be the case.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The penalties for going over the slot recomendations had to be severe in order to make sure big clubs wouldn’t continue to promise the prospects big money if the refused to sign with small clubs</p></blockquote>
<p>Except as mentioned above, the Pirates were the top spending team in the draft last year, and teams like the Royals/Twins/Angels spend far more money in the international market than teams like the Yankees.</p>
<blockquote><p> Also, allowing small market teams to use more money in the international market than big clubs helps, so I’m not sure what the outrage is about here</p></blockquote>
<p>This is the part I found on the link in the earlier post:<br />
<i>Clubs will be given a &#8220;pool&#8221; of money to spend on bonuses for draft choices.  The amount of the &#8220;pool&#8221; for each club has not yet been reported, but is believed to be based on prior amounts spent on the draft.  Danny Knobler reports that MLB says the bonus pool for the 2012 draft will be $4.5 million to $11.5 million, depending on how many picks and on where a team picksThere is at least on report, as indicated in our first update to this story, that there is a mix between the bonus limits for spending on international free agent players</i></p>
<p>Not sure how smaller market teams are given an advantage.  It might be interesting to make it a sliding scale inverse to draft position (#1 team gets most money, #30 gets least) but that doesn&#8217;t appear to be the case.</p>
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		<title>By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 21:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Think of it this way, the draft positions and amounts paid for each position are part of the CBA because they are part of MLB.  However, the players each year aren&#039;t part of the Union until they are drafted and signed.

It&#039;s an unfortunate byproduct of today&#039;s society of &quot;I got mine&quot;.  Players already have their contracts, why should they worry about future players&#039; contracts if it doesn&#039;t have any effect on them currently?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think of it this way, the draft positions and amounts paid for each position are part of the CBA because they are part of MLB.  However, the players each year aren&#8217;t part of the Union until they are drafted and signed.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an unfortunate byproduct of today&#8217;s society of &#8220;I got mine&#8221;.  Players already have their contracts, why should they worry about future players&#8217; contracts if it doesn&#8217;t have any effect on them currently?</p>
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		<title>By: stex52</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stex52]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 21:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agreed. I have thought that for years. I don&#039;t think many kids sign up thinking they will fail. But the thought that you will still be able to walk when you are 50 must be an incentive to some.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed. I have thought that for years. I don&#8217;t think many kids sign up thinking they will fail. But the thought that you will still be able to walk when you are 50 must be an incentive to some.</p>
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		<title>By: stex52</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stex52]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 21:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Purely a friendly question to show my ignorance. If amateurs are not covered by the CBA (and now that you say that it makes sense), why is this in the CBA at all?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Purely a friendly question to show my ignorance. If amateurs are not covered by the CBA (and now that you say that it makes sense), why is this in the CBA at all?</p>
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		<title>By: spudchukar</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spudchukar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 21:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[...there IS gambling at Rick&#039;s.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;there IS gambling at Rick&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: b7p19</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[b7p19]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 21:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But now teams won&#039;t HAVE to go over slot to beat out the teams below them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But now teams won&#8217;t HAVE to go over slot to beat out the teams below them.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan in Katonah</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan in Katonah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 21:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve negotiated CBA&#039;s for and against unions.  If a union can get more for their existing membership by screwing over prospective members before they join, they will do so.  Here, the MLBPA is complicit with ownership in a short-sighted plan to limit draft/international signing costs.  Not sure what the players got from this, but I hope it was worth it given the decreased attractiveness that baseball will present to 2/3 sport athletes who can get greater signing money with basketball and football.  Artificial caps on free market are just plain stupid, particularly here where the teams cannot trade picks and draftees.  Also, if the Yankees and Indians can only offer the same amount to an international FA, who do you think the player is signing with?  At least before a less attractive team on the down-cycle could build its way out with focussed longterm growth.  Now, there is a cap on the ability to do so.

Take away the anti-trust exemption and let the free market rule.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve negotiated CBA&#8217;s for and against unions.  If a union can get more for their existing membership by screwing over prospective members before they join, they will do so.  Here, the MLBPA is complicit with ownership in a short-sighted plan to limit draft/international signing costs.  Not sure what the players got from this, but I hope it was worth it given the decreased attractiveness that baseball will present to 2/3 sport athletes who can get greater signing money with basketball and football.  Artificial caps on free market are just plain stupid, particularly here where the teams cannot trade picks and draftees.  Also, if the Yankees and Indians can only offer the same amount to an international FA, who do you think the player is signing with?  At least before a less attractive team on the down-cycle could build its way out with focussed longterm growth.  Now, there is a cap on the ability to do so.</p>
<p>Take away the anti-trust exemption and let the free market rule.</p>
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		<title>By: b7p19</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[b7p19]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 21:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thats true &#039;outraged, but this new CBA has created a slotting system for the NFL as well.  I agree with sdelmonte.  If I&#039;m equally good at both, I&#039;m picking baseball for the guaranteed contracts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats true &#8216;outraged, but this new CBA has created a slotting system for the NFL as well.  I agree with sdelmonte.  If I&#8217;m equally good at both, I&#8217;m picking baseball for the guaranteed contracts.</p>
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		<title>By: b7p19</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[b7p19]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 21:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I completely agree with Spudchukar.  The penalties for going over the slot recomendations had to be severe in order to make sure big clubs wouldn&#039;t continue to promise the prospects big money if the refused to sign with small clubs.  

I have watched my Padres take players like Matt Bush simply because players like Stephen Drew told them he wouldn&#039;t sign.  Draft slotting (even a soft slotting like this) will help small market teams in the draft.  Also, allowing small market teams to use more money in the international market than big clubs helps, so I&#039;m not sure what the outrage is about here.  Did I read this wrong?

Like Craig points out, its the amature players that are hurt by this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree with Spudchukar.  The penalties for going over the slot recomendations had to be severe in order to make sure big clubs wouldn&#8217;t continue to promise the prospects big money if the refused to sign with small clubs.  </p>
<p>I have watched my Padres take players like Matt Bush simply because players like Stephen Drew told them he wouldn&#8217;t sign.  Draft slotting (even a soft slotting like this) will help small market teams in the draft.  Also, allowing small market teams to use more money in the international market than big clubs helps, so I&#8217;m not sure what the outrage is about here.  Did I read this wrong?</p>
<p>Like Craig points out, its the amature players that are hurt by this.</p>
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		<title>By: unclearnie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[unclearnie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 21:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Change your name to mrTEABAGscript]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Change your name to mrTEABAGscript</p>
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		<title>By: JBerardi</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JBerardi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 20:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://twitter.com/#!/jimcallisBA/statuses/139050558471413760

In other words, this doesn&#039;t screw over a few teams. This, more than likely, screws over YOUR team.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote class='twitter-tweet'><p>By my calculations, TWENTY teams went 16% or more over slot this year, which would have triggered 100% tax &amp; loss of two 1st-rders <a href="http://twitter.com/search?q=%23mlbdraft" title="#mlbdraft">#mlbdraft</a>&mdash; <br />Jim Callis (@jimcallisBA) <a href='http://twitter.com/#!/jimcallisBA/status/139050558471413760' data-datetime='2011-11-22T18:40:11+00:00'>November 22, 2011</a></p></blockquote>
<p>In other words, this doesn&#8217;t screw over a few teams. This, more than likely, screws over YOUR team.</p>
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		<title>By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 20:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Honest question, but do you have any record of this?  I&#039;ve never seen or heard/read that a team drove up a player&#039;s price, but I&#039;ve often seen/read about an agent who was rumored to tell teams player X is looking for price Y so if you can&#039;t meet or beat it, don&#039;t bother drafting him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honest question, but do you have any record of this?  I&#8217;ve never seen or heard/read that a team drove up a player&#8217;s price, but I&#8217;ve often seen/read about an agent who was rumored to tell teams player X is looking for price Y so if you can&#8217;t meet or beat it, don&#8217;t bother drafting him.</p>
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		<title>By: mondogarage</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mondogarage]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 20:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;They were pretty dumb not getting any concessions for this however.&quot;

Bingo, that&#039;s my only problem with this CBA.  Looks like the players gave and gave and gave, and got nothing for it more than a higher ML minimum salary (which is not meaningless, however).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They were pretty dumb not getting any concessions for this however.&#8221;</p>
<p>Bingo, that&#8217;s my only problem with this CBA.  Looks like the players gave and gave and gave, and got nothing for it more than a higher ML minimum salary (which is not meaningless, however).</p>
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		<title>By: JBerardi</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JBerardi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 20:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bah! Ending child labor is nothing in the face of destroying the American auto industry. Which, by the way, had everything to do with unions and nothing at all to do with 40 years of shit cars.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bah! Ending child labor is nothing in the face of destroying the American auto industry. Which, by the way, had everything to do with unions and nothing at all to do with 40 years of shit cars.</p>
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		<title>By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 20:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Except the money in the first round far outweighs what the plays in MLB get.  The highest bonus ever received via MLB draft is what, $12M total?  JaMarcus Russell signed a contract that guaranteed him $32M in &#039;07 and he&#039;s already been cut.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except the money in the first round far outweighs what the plays in MLB get.  The highest bonus ever received via MLB draft is what, $12M total?  JaMarcus Russell signed a contract that guaranteed him $32M in &#8217;07 and he&#8217;s already been cut.</p>
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		<title>By: spudchukar</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 20:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let me explain more.  Suppose the Yanks are high on a particular amateur.  They go to him and assure him they will select him later, and pay him above the slotted rate, at least as much as the Pirates.  They argue that he will make more money, play for a contending team, receive more endorsements etc., if he indicates to the Pirates that he will not sign for a reasonable figure.  The Pirates cannot afford, both literally and figuratively, to miss out on their top draft choice so they select someone they are assured of signing.

MLB has evidence that this was becoming a problem and tried to remedy it.  And just because one player chose either, to not to play along or was not was that highly courted does not prove that the practice was not being implemented.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me explain more.  Suppose the Yanks are high on a particular amateur.  They go to him and assure him they will select him later, and pay him above the slotted rate, at least as much as the Pirates.  They argue that he will make more money, play for a contending team, receive more endorsements etc., if he indicates to the Pirates that he will not sign for a reasonable figure.  The Pirates cannot afford, both literally and figuratively, to miss out on their top draft choice so they select someone they are assured of signing.</p>
<p>MLB has evidence that this was becoming a problem and tried to remedy it.  And just because one player chose either, to not to play along or was not was that highly courted does not prove that the practice was not being implemented.</p>
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		<title>By: cur68</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cur68]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 20:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Not all owners are against this&quot;&lt;- is that a typo or what? That&#039;s not what I&#039;m saying at all. I&#039;m asking you why you whole sale blame the unions? It took 2 to tango on this agreement. If its flawed, they &lt;i&gt;both&lt;/i&gt; get the blame, union &amp; owners because they &lt;i&gt;agreed&lt;/i&gt; to it. Frankly it appears the union might have helped the non-union guys by avoiding hard slotting. 

Sounds to me like you are just blatantly anti-union and will spin it any way you want to make it sound the way you want to believe.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Not all owners are against this&#8221;&lt;- is that a typo or what? That&#039;s not what I&#039;m saying at all. I&#039;m asking you why you whole sale blame the unions? It took 2 to tango on this agreement. If its flawed, they <i>both</i> get the blame, union &amp; owners because they <i>agreed</i> to it. Frankly it appears the union might have helped the non-union guys by avoiding hard slotting. </p>
<p>Sounds to me like you are just blatantly anti-union and will spin it any way you want to make it sound the way you want to believe.</p>
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		<title>By: uberfatty</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[uberfatty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 19:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t agree that only rich teams would do this.  Any club that spends big in the draft probably tries to work out deals ahead of time, but has to keep it under wraps since it is against the rules.  

To threaten not signing, it would have to be a HS player as college draftees have very little leverage.  The only big name from the 2011 draft that stands out to me directly contradicts your argument (Josh Bell, signed by the Pirates after previously being thought to be unsignable).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t agree that only rich teams would do this.  Any club that spends big in the draft probably tries to work out deals ahead of time, but has to keep it under wraps since it is against the rules.  </p>
<p>To threaten not signing, it would have to be a HS player as college draftees have very little leverage.  The only big name from the 2011 draft that stands out to me directly contradicts your argument (Josh Bell, signed by the Pirates after previously being thought to be unsignable).</p>
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		<title>By: hansob</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hansob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 19:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well that might as well be hard slotting.  No team in their right mind is going to give up money and picks to slightly go over slot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well that might as well be hard slotting.  No team in their right mind is going to give up money and picks to slightly go over slot.</p>
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		<title>By: djpostl</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[djpostl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 19:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Exactly, Average career span ins 3 years. Non-guaranteed contracts etc..who the hell would choose the NFL over MLB, even with these new issues?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly, Average career span ins 3 years. Non-guaranteed contracts etc..who the hell would choose the NFL over MLB, even with these new issues?</p>
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		<title>By: Old Gator</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Old Gator]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 19:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[mrjavascript, you are a classic, ignorant, dimwitted kunckle-dragging neoconman whose knowledge of economics and labor history are as skewed as your lack of comprehension of &quot;labor relations&quot; in MLB. Go home and watch Glenn Beck and his brethren rightwing bullshit artists. They won&#039;t tax your witlessness. 

It never fails to amuse me to see the Major League Baseball Player&#039;s Association lumped together with industrial and trade labor unions. Talk about comparing blueberries and watermelons.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mrjavascript, you are a classic, ignorant, dimwitted kunckle-dragging neoconman whose knowledge of economics and labor history are as skewed as your lack of comprehension of &#8220;labor relations&#8221; in MLB. Go home and watch Glenn Beck and his brethren rightwing bullshit artists. They won&#8217;t tax your witlessness. </p>
<p>It never fails to amuse me to see the Major League Baseball Player&#8217;s Association lumped together with industrial and trade labor unions. Talk about comparing blueberries and watermelons.</p>
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		<title>By: djpostl</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[djpostl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 19:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh go away 1%. Our local and state governments were pathetic long before unions came around.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh go away 1%. Our local and state governments were pathetic long before unions came around.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Gator</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Old Gator]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 19:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Come on now. If it didn&#039;t screw &lt;i&gt;somebody&lt;/i&gt;, it wouldn&#039;t be MLB.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on now. If it didn&#8217;t screw <i>somebody</i>, it wouldn&#8217;t be MLB.</p>
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		<title>By: sdelmonte</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sdelmonte]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 19:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think any elite two-sport athlete would have to be crazy to chose the brutality of the NFL over any other sport, no matter how big a bonus the NFL can offer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think any elite two-sport athlete would have to be crazy to chose the brutality of the NFL over any other sport, no matter how big a bonus the NFL can offer.</p>
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		<title>By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 19:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;But what is in it for the owners&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Because the owners, just like their brethren in the NBA, can&#039;t stop themselves from offering too much money to bad players.  I think it&#039;s been Klaw that&#039;s been tweeting how annoyed some owners are that Gerrit Cole got $8M this year.  That&#039;s $8M over the first 6 years of his deal (with probably arbitration raises) or $1.3M per year.  That&#039;s less AAV than the Orioles just gave to the Korean pitcher they signed.  Or a greater value contract than Clint Barmes&#039;s new deal.

Also, the players don&#039;t care about this because amateur players aren&#039;t covered by the CBA.  They were pretty dumb not getting any concessions for this however.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But what is in it for the owners</p></blockquote>
<p>Because the owners, just like their brethren in the NBA, can&#8217;t stop themselves from offering too much money to bad players.  I think it&#8217;s been Klaw that&#8217;s been tweeting how annoyed some owners are that Gerrit Cole got $8M this year.  That&#8217;s $8M over the first 6 years of his deal (with probably arbitration raises) or $1.3M per year.  That&#8217;s less AAV than the Orioles just gave to the Korean pitcher they signed.  Or a greater value contract than Clint Barmes&#8217;s new deal.</p>
<p>Also, the players don&#8217;t care about this because amateur players aren&#8217;t covered by the CBA.  They were pretty dumb not getting any concessions for this however.</p>
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