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	<title>Comments on: The new HGH testing will be kind of weird</title>
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		<title>By: Kevin S.</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/22/the-new-hgh-testing-will-be-kind-of-weird/comment-page-1/#comment-226306</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin S.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 00:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Because the government was your &lt;i&gt;employer&lt;/i&gt;, not because it was blatantly redefining what was covered by a court-ordered search warrant.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because the government was your <i>employer</i>, not because it was blatantly redefining what was covered by a court-ordered search warrant.</p>
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		<title>By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/22/the-new-hgh-testing-will-be-kind-of-weird/comment-page-1/#comment-226280</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 23:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So glad you want to willfully flaunt a federal judge&#039;s ruling.  With that respect for authority, I&#039;m sure you are doing very well at your gov&#039;t job.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So glad you want to willfully flaunt a federal judge&#8217;s ruling.  With that respect for authority, I&#8217;m sure you are doing very well at your gov&#8217;t job.</p>
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		<title>By: djpostl</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/22/the-new-hgh-testing-will-be-kind-of-weird/comment-page-1/#comment-226239</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[djpostl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 22:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rofl, 4th Amendment Rights. STFU man, I had to pee in a cup to even be considered for a Gov&#039;t job so cry me a river. Assholes get embarrassed, so freakin&#039; what? They got their millions and nobody will try and take them back. Put the list out there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rofl, 4th Amendment Rights. STFU man, I had to pee in a cup to even be considered for a Gov&#8217;t job so cry me a river. Assholes get embarrassed, so freakin&#8217; what? They got their millions and nobody will try and take them back. Put the list out there.</p>
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		<title>By: yardleyphils</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/22/the-new-hgh-testing-will-be-kind-of-weird/comment-page-1/#comment-226186</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[yardleyphils]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 21:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[frankly, yes, you would. I am speculating that they must really be testing for a substance that is included in synthetic growth hormone (all GH in the world today is synthetic).

the reason steroid testing works is that steroids are synthetic testosterone - meaning, you aren&#039;t testing the athletes testosterone levels, you are testing for the other substances present in the drug *or* testing for metabolites that are the result of your body breaking down the synthetic testosterone molecules.

GH on the other hand had always (in the past) consisted of nothing other than pure synthetic growth hormone, and was injected into an area of body fat so that it would be absorbed directly into the bloodstream without having to be metabolized. If it doesn&#039;t have to be metabolized to work, then there is no way to test for metabolites (the byproduct of being broken down). So either the GH of today is different than it used to be, or they are going to be taking a lot of tests to establish a baseline for everyone in MLB.

&quot;Normal&quot; GH levels for adult males is &quot;under 5 ng/mL&quot; of blood. You could very easily be injecting GH and getting the benefits and still test in the normal range. Because your values would stay at 5ng 24 hours a day and not move up and down like a non-enhanced athlete&#039;s would. You&#039;d recover from exercise faster and carry less bodyfat than a non-enhanced athlete.

My statements are based on information from about 5 years ago, so as I said, it&#039;s possible they&#039;ve found a new way to test. I just can&#039;t imagine what it is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>frankly, yes, you would. I am speculating that they must really be testing for a substance that is included in synthetic growth hormone (all GH in the world today is synthetic).</p>
<p>the reason steroid testing works is that steroids are synthetic testosterone &#8211; meaning, you aren&#8217;t testing the athletes testosterone levels, you are testing for the other substances present in the drug *or* testing for metabolites that are the result of your body breaking down the synthetic testosterone molecules.</p>
<p>GH on the other hand had always (in the past) consisted of nothing other than pure synthetic growth hormone, and was injected into an area of body fat so that it would be absorbed directly into the bloodstream without having to be metabolized. If it doesn&#8217;t have to be metabolized to work, then there is no way to test for metabolites (the byproduct of being broken down). So either the GH of today is different than it used to be, or they are going to be taking a lot of tests to establish a baseline for everyone in MLB.</p>
<p>&#8220;Normal&#8221; GH levels for adult males is &#8220;under 5 ng/mL&#8221; of blood. You could very easily be injecting GH and getting the benefits and still test in the normal range. Because your values would stay at 5ng 24 hours a day and not move up and down like a non-enhanced athlete&#8217;s would. You&#8217;d recover from exercise faster and carry less bodyfat than a non-enhanced athlete.</p>
<p>My statements are based on information from about 5 years ago, so as I said, it&#8217;s possible they&#8217;ve found a new way to test. I just can&#8217;t imagine what it is.</p>
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		<title>By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/22/the-new-hgh-testing-will-be-kind-of-weird/comment-page-1/#comment-226179</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 20:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wouldn&#039;t that mean you&#039;d need more than one test to establish a baseline?  And if so, how many would provide a significant sample size to be deemed accurate?  

Oh I forget, I&#039;m dealing with an industry that thinks a 3-5 game sample size is justification for arm-chair psychoanalyzing a player.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#8217;t that mean you&#8217;d need more than one test to establish a baseline?  And if so, how many would provide a significant sample size to be deemed accurate?  </p>
<p>Oh I forget, I&#8217;m dealing with an industry that thinks a 3-5 game sample size is justification for arm-chair psychoanalyzing a player.</p>
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		<title>By: yardleyphils</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[yardleyphils]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 20:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you have to have a baseline in order to execute an accurate test for Growth Hormone. One of the problems with testing was always that you are testing for something which is naturally occurring in the body at very different quantities from individual to individual. I think you need the baseline to establish a comparison point.

Also GH levels in blood vary significantly throughout the day and depending upon the type and duration of activity for the previous 24-36 hours.

Of course if there is some new testing protocol none of this matters.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you have to have a baseline in order to execute an accurate test for Growth Hormone. One of the problems with testing was always that you are testing for something which is naturally occurring in the body at very different quantities from individual to individual. I think you need the baseline to establish a comparison point.</p>
<p>Also GH levels in blood vary significantly throughout the day and depending upon the type and duration of activity for the previous 24-36 hours.</p>
<p>Of course if there is some new testing protocol none of this matters.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin S.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin S.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 20:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And waive all Fourth Amendment rights in the future.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And waive all Fourth Amendment rights in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex K</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/22/the-new-hgh-testing-will-be-kind-of-weird/comment-page-1/#comment-226089</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 19:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right after you release your personal medical records.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right after you release your personal medical records.</p>
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		<title>By: dlevalley</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/22/the-new-hgh-testing-will-be-kind-of-weird/comment-page-1/#comment-226009</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dlevalley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 18:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The last time that was promised for baseball drug testing a bunch of over-zealous feds seized all of the results, started prosecuting people and years of litigation ensured.&quot;

That&#039;s the exact thought I had when Olney&#039;s tweet came up on my screen. Wait, haven&#039;t we been here before?

It&#039;s up to all parties involved to prove they&#039;re not in the business of witch-hunting, and they&#039;ve yet to do so...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The last time that was promised for baseball drug testing a bunch of over-zealous feds seized all of the results, started prosecuting people and years of litigation ensured.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the exact thought I had when Olney&#8217;s tweet came up on my screen. Wait, haven&#8217;t we been here before?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s up to all parties involved to prove they&#8217;re not in the business of witch-hunting, and they&#8217;ve yet to do so&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bozosforall</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bozosforall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 18:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I still want to see the entire list of 104 from 2003.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still want to see the entire list of 104 from 2003.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kyle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 18:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sure this will go smooth as all hell and there won&#039;t be any incompetence involved whatsoever in this pointless nonsense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure this will go smooth as all hell and there won&#8217;t be any incompetence involved whatsoever in this pointless nonsense.</p>
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