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Raul Ibanez surprisingly among Phillies arbitration offerings

Nov 23, 2011, 4:45 PM EDT

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As expected the Phillies offered arbitration to Jimmy Rollins and Ryan Madson, but surprisingly they also did the same with Raul Ibanez.

Ibanez is 39 years old and was paid $12 million this season to hit just .245 with a .289 on-base percentage and .419 slugging percentage in 144 games, which along with sub par defense in left field made him one of the worst regulars in the league.

He seems highly unlikely to get a multi-year offer on the open market, in which case accepting the Phillies’ arbitration offer and locking them into a one-year deal for a significant salary would seem like a no-brainer for Ibanez.

However, it’s possible that the Type B free agent has some sort of agreement with the Phillies to decline the arbitration offer as a favor and basically give them a free draft pick (assuming he signs elsewhere). If not, then the decision by general manager Ruben Amaro Jr. just doesn’t make any sense.

  1. rsnorth - Nov 23, 2011 at 5:01 PM

    Don’t the Phillies only get a sandwich pick if Ibanez signs with another team? Otherwise teams would offer arbitration to all their free agents and tell them not to accept it.

    • somekat - Nov 23, 2011 at 5:27 PM

      and the player would say, give me the arbitration offer, and get the big salary. Which would be why the article said they had “some sort of agreement”.

  2. cup0pizza - Nov 23, 2011 at 5:04 PM


    • Old Gator - Nov 23, 2011 at 8:16 PM

      One of your most substantial contributions to a discussion here so far, if not the most.

  3. hansob - Nov 23, 2011 at 5:07 PM

    clearly there’s an “understanding” between the two parties.

  4. phillyphreak - Nov 23, 2011 at 5:40 PM

    I agree there has to be some kind of understanding between them. But wouldn’t it be hilarious if he accepted…..

  5. drmonkeyarmy - Nov 23, 2011 at 6:03 PM

    David Murphy has been tweeting that RAJ is tight with Ibanez’s agent and will decline arbitration as a favor to the team.

    • firedude7160 - Nov 23, 2011 at 9:38 PM

      Dear god I hope so! I don’t think I could take another year of his “I’m gonna hit for a week, and then take a 2 month break” style

  6. spudchukar - Nov 23, 2011 at 6:56 PM

    Let’s see, looks like Wiggington at 3B, Valdez SS, Utley 2B, Thome 1B, Ibanez LF, Victoino CF, and Cuddyer in RF. The aces better perform.

    • chadjones27 - Nov 23, 2011 at 7:51 PM

      And they move Pence, where? To the bullpen?

      • spudchukar - Nov 23, 2011 at 10:47 PM

        Rumor has it that the surgery didn’t go well, and opening day is doubtful.

  7. hushbrother - Nov 23, 2011 at 8:05 PM

    My least favorite player, Raul Ibanez. Can’t stand the way he always has that stupid intense one-side-full-of-chaw expression on his face and constantly taking off is helmet to show his sweaty bald head. And the fact that he’s a Phillie. Never has a player looked so intense while putting up a sub-.700 OPS.

    • xmatt0926x - Nov 23, 2011 at 9:30 PM

      He’s also one of the nicest human beings you will ever meet and extremely charitable. These aspects of his reputation are well accepted. But that’s probably not as meaningful as the whole “one side full of chaw” thing that you hate him for. That all being said, if he does not have an “understanding” that he will turn down arbitration and accepts, I will personally hire the guy from Assassins Creed to hunt down Amaro and end all this madness.

  8. PanchoHerreraFanClub - Nov 24, 2011 at 7:53 AM

    I could be wrong, but under the new CBA you don’t have to offer arbitration to get a draft pick for a Type B.

    • paperlions - Nov 24, 2011 at 10:28 AM

      Well, that would just be silly. Why should you get compensation for losing a guy you didn’t want to keep?

      Plus, you only get compensation if the guy turns you down and then signs a major league deal with another team.

      I think the ability to have an agreement that the player will turn down arbitration as a favor is crap because it is against the spirit and intent of the rule…..but as long as it is there, I’m sure everyone is taking advantage of it.

      Still, the Phillies won’t get anything out of this unless Ibanez signs with someone else….how likely is that? Who wants a 40 yr old OF that can’t hit or play defense?

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