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Raul Ibanez agreed to decline Phillies’ arbitration offer

Nov 24, 2011, 10:23 AM EDT

Phillies' Ibanez reacts to grounding out to end the seventh inning of their MLB baseball playoff game against the Cardinals in Philadelphia

Philadelphia’s decision to offer Raul Ibanez arbitration yesterday made zero sense unless the two sides had a pre-arranged agreement that the 39-year-old outfielder would decline.

Sure enough, Buster Olney of ESPN.com reports exactly that, as Ibanez did the Phillies a favor and agreed ahead of time to decline an arbitration offer to basically just give them an extra draft pick.

Olney calls it “a wink/nod situation” and Ibanez isn’t the first player to do it. As a Type B free agent his status is unchanged by the arbitration offer, as any team signing him can still do so without forfeiting a draft pick. The only difference now is that the Phillies will get an extra supplemental round pick if/when he signs elsewhere.

  1. proudlycanadian - Nov 24, 2011 at 10:32 AM

    Condolences Aaron on working today.

  2. hushbrother - Nov 24, 2011 at 10:45 AM

    In exchange the Philllies Agreed to give him a lifetime supply of chaw to stuff in his right cheek 24 hours a day

  3. dbick - Nov 24, 2011 at 12:00 PM

    Are there any potential rules or CBA violations with this? I’m sure it happens often, but it just seems weird a they can agree on something like this so the team gets an extra draft pick.

    • cktai - Nov 24, 2011 at 2:44 PM

      The team risks that despite the agreement, the players decides to accept the arbitration offer.

  4. chasemutley - Nov 24, 2011 at 12:15 PM

    This is just RAJ’s way of getting the draft pick back for Ryan Madson that MLB stripped the Phillies of. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it, Selig.

    • Jonny 5 - Nov 24, 2011 at 1:31 PM

      Actually, they don’t lose any draft picks. They still get two for Madson, One a first round pick if the taker has one, and a sandwich pick, if he signs, which he will. This means the Phillies get 3 for Madson and Ibanez alone.

      http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phillies_zone/Phils-still-likely-to-get-first-round-pick-for-Madson.html

      • cowboysoldiertx - Nov 24, 2011 at 1:41 PM

        Not a bad hual at all!

  5. cur68 - Nov 24, 2011 at 2:07 PM

    I feel like having a go at assembling my “Team for the Aged” here (lets call them the All Franco Squad). The criteria need only be age greater than 35 and active as a player status.

    So, lets see; Ibanez, Pudge, Moyer, Posada, Mo, Vladdy….that’s all I can think of off hand (Bonds hasn’t officially retired has he? I need a LFer/DH). Still a few old guys short of a real team, though. A’course McKeon would manage and George Steinbrenner’s shade would own it (I’m pretty sure The Boss’s ghost is at least as lively some other owners in baseball).

    • yankeesgameday - Nov 24, 2011 at 2:26 PM

      Geez, just like the Yankees you don’t have a spot for posada to play.

      • cur68 - Nov 24, 2011 at 3:07 PM

        Jorge can trade off catching, DHing and 1st base duties with Pudge. Looks like I forgot Wakefield, though. So that makes 2 “starters” & a closer. Joe Nathan can work long relief & Contreras as set up man, I guess. Arthur Rhodes to the pen. Omar Vizquel at short, of course. Jim Thome can play 3rd. Team’s shaping up…shaping up to need rocking chairs instead of benches, but what they hey; that’s the most vetrany leadershipy team anyone has.

    • purnellmeagrejr - Nov 25, 2011 at 7:45 AM

      cur68 – it must be the off season. Will you make it to pitchers and catchers?

  6. aaronp2098 - Nov 24, 2011 at 4:16 PM

    I can’t believe MLB is happy about the Phillies publicly circumventing the rules like this… Not sure how to alleviate the problem as I think making Ibanez accept the arbitration would be overkill, but something needs to be done so this doesn’t become common place. I’m sure the first agent/player who agrees to this kind of deal and then backs out would probably be black listed by other GM’s.

  7. deathmonkey41 - Nov 24, 2011 at 6:37 PM

    Ibanez hasn’t been any good since that story where the guy implied his numbers might have been “artifically inflated”- after that, his numbers mysteriously got flushed down the toilet.

    • jwbiii - Nov 24, 2011 at 11:01 PM

      Or he mysteriously turned 38.

      • deathmonkey41 - Nov 24, 2011 at 11:20 PM

        The article was written in his first season with the Phillies. It came out about midway through the season. The first half was phenomenal- the second half- pretty forgettable. Once that story came out, he got old REAL quick. That’s all I’m saying.

      • jwbiii - Nov 25, 2011 at 1:06 AM

        Fair enough. Here are his B-Ref comps through his age 37 season, his first with the Phillies and his last good one and what they did from age 38 on:

        http://www.baseball-reference.com/friv/scomp_bat.cgi?I=ibanera01:Ra%C3%BAl+Iba%C3%B1ez&st=int&age=-38&compage=38

        Obviously, I have no idea about any “artificial inflation,” but it’s not unusual for players of that quality to crater in their late 30s.

  8. henryd3rd - Nov 25, 2011 at 9:03 AM

    Wanted soon to be 40 year old outfielder with short range, declining batting average and demanding to be paid like a superstar. Hmmm so I guess the Phillies know something that we don’t know. Correct me if I am wrong; but there’s no DH in the National League? Maybe they just want to have him around for inter league play and in the event they make it to the World Series? Sounds like a very expensive role player

    • drmonkeyarmy - Nov 25, 2011 at 9:44 AM

      What in the hell are you talking about? Did you not read the article?

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