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The Cardinals are not willing to raise their offer to Albert Pujols

Nov 28, 2011, 3:32 PM EDT

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Jon Heyman tweets that the Cardinals are unwilling to raise their offer to Albert Pujols from the $200-210 million over nine years that has been on the table for some time.

This is what happens, of course, when no one else is really bidding on your target.  So far the only other offer anyone knows of was the Marlins’ less-than-competitive one. The Cardinals are not in the business of bidding against themselves, so unless or until someone comes in and tries to steal their first baseman, they should hold firm.

  1. stlouis1baseball - Nov 28, 2011 at 3:35 PM

    Let’s hope no one comes in and tries to steal him then. Sign the contract Albert and let’s move on!

    • Old Gator - Nov 28, 2011 at 3:48 PM

      Don’t worry. I think you can be confident that the Feesh will show Albert what they’re really made of and refused to be bullied into signing him.

    • pjmarn6 - Nov 28, 2011 at 6:26 PM

      The Cardinals are idiots. Pujols is 31 almost 32. The average ballplayer starts to decline in abilities when he is 35-36. At the most he may have 4-5 good years left and that is maybe. Paying him 22,500,000 million dollars a year when he is several years past his prime is flushing money down the toilet. The contract will pay him until he is 41.
      There should be performance contracts. So much money for every single, double, triple, home run, at, rbi, run scored etc.
      This is sheer madness! A company cannot pay the same salary to a salesman whose sales keep falling every year.

      • Evan - Nov 28, 2011 at 6:30 PM

        Albert Pujols is not an “average ballplayer.”

      • pjmarn6 - Nov 28, 2011 at 8:01 PM

        Do research on star and above average ball players as to when they retired and when their stats started to decrease way beyond average and mediocre and then get back to me. Pujols is at the peak or just past. It is all down hill.
        Here is a big clue for you and I hope you are able to understand. Nature abhors a vacuum. The human species was not genetically programmed to live much past 40. Women’s infertility starts then. Therefore nature put illnesses diseases, mental and physical deterioration in out way to cause death. It is only with medical science and control of childhood diseases that longevity has increased. However in sports if you do a study over the last 40-50 years you will find that an average ball player plays a little less than 5 1/2 years and most of the better ball players rapidly decrease in ability after 35. You know how to use a search engine. Take the famous players, DiMaggio brothers, Mantle, Berra, Ruth, etc and you will find that rarely does a player last beyond the age of 35 and if a team does keep him on it is as a figure head.
        Over the last four years Pujols batting average has decreased more than 50 points. His RBI production has decreased 20%. No wonder there is no other team bidding for him. Look at Alex Rodriquez he got a $7 million dollar raise last year and his rbi total was less than half than last year and his b.a. was .276 He hasn’t hit .300 or better in 4 years and for that last swing he took in the playoffs when he struck out, he was paid $17,200. That is right Alex Rodriguez was paid better that $17,200 a swing. That is ridiculous.

      • paperlions - Nov 28, 2011 at 8:20 PM

        Just enough knowledge to be dangerous. A lack of selection and selection for are not the same thing.

      • thefalcon123 - Nov 29, 2011 at 9:16 AM

        Players start to decline LONG before they hit 35 or 36. Mickey Mantle never had 600 PA’s after the age of 29, Jimmie Foxx last hit 20 home runs at the age of 32, Ernie Banks was done as an *elite* player at 29… In fact, most players peak around 27 or 28 and *most* decline rapidly when they hit 31 or 32.
        Sure, there are examples of players who play great until their late 30s…but Hank Aaron and Barry Bonds are far more the exception than the rule!

  2. 2r2d - Nov 28, 2011 at 3:38 PM

    I am sure they will not have to but it sure would be nice if an American League team would jump in and get him.

  3. thefalcon123 - Nov 28, 2011 at 3:49 PM

    Man, Pujols hit the market at the wrong time, didn’t he? 3 things happened in the last couple of years that really, really hurt him.

    1. Teams are beginning to learn that paying players mega bucks into their 30s can backfire and cripple the team for a long time. Carlos Lee, Alfonso Soriano, Vernon Wells aren’t worth anywhere close to the amount their being paid. The Yankees deals for Teixeira and Rodriguez aren’t looking so hot (not that it’ll cripple the evil empire though) and overall, teams just have less of a taste for putting mega dollars AND mega years into one player.

    2. Howard, Teixeira, Gonzalez mixed with the financial problems of LA and the Mets knocked out some of the potential highest bidders for Albert.

    3. Albert showed some chips in the armor. After June, he was pretty much the same .330/.600 Pujols, but his walks have evaporated. His OPS+ was “only” 150 this year and his 5.4 WAR was the worst of his career. He was still awfully great, but this could be just the first step on a downward trend…he is at the right age for it. Then again, he may come back next year and nab his fourth MVP. Regardless, it is enough to give you some second thoughts…

    If Pujols had hit the market two years ago, he would have broken the bank and probably been worth an addition $100 million dollars. But it looks like some bad timing will limit him to a bit over $200 million. Poor guy.

    • 2r2d - Nov 28, 2011 at 3:53 PM

      This might make players ask their teams to trade them more instead of becoming free agents now.

      • paperlions - Nov 28, 2011 at 4:43 PM


        What possible difference could a trade have made? Right now all 30 teams can bid for him and are not doing so, that doesn’t suggest that a trade would have helped him get an extension with anyone else.

  4. tominma - Nov 28, 2011 at 3:56 PM

    Greed is good????? Certainly NOT in this case! How much money has Pujols made already???

    • genericcommenter - Nov 28, 2011 at 4:33 PM

      Actually, he has been underpaid in comparison to his peers and in relation to his talent. His last contract extension was considered the most “team friendly” deal in baseball. His agent has been in a lot of debt and is known as a shady character- he did the last deal in a hurry to get his hands on some cash. He’s been all-in on Pujols and this new deal to pay off all party/hooker debts and finally be in some money.

      • Francisco (FC) - Nov 28, 2011 at 5:35 PM

        One could also say his “peers” are massively overpaid. Nevertheless Pujols does deserve more than he is currently earning.

      • WhenMattStairsIsKing - Nov 28, 2011 at 5:37 PM

        Do you have proof of Lozano doing this?

      • Kevin S. - Nov 28, 2011 at 5:52 PM

        Were you unconvinced by the Deadspin expose, or have you not read it?

  5. stlducks - Nov 28, 2011 at 3:57 PM

    Just another reason I love the cards. Don’t ruin the future of the team just to keep one guy no matter how good he is.

    • stex52 - Nov 28, 2011 at 4:05 PM

      Don’t get me wrong; I hope Albert stays. He belongs there. But if worst came to worst, the Cards would be very pleasantly surprised by Berkman’s performance at 1st. And they would still have a strong middle of the order. Maybe they could buy a pitcher or two with the money saved.

      • ultimatecardinalwarrior - Nov 28, 2011 at 6:40 PM

        It would make room for Craig as an everyday player, too, which he should be.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Nov 28, 2011 at 6:48 PM

        I thought you were talking about Calcaterra for a second, and got really confused

  6. mcsnide - Nov 28, 2011 at 4:12 PM

    If ony Scott Boras were his agent, so a Mystery Team (TM Jon Heyman) could offer him $300 mil over 8.

  7. crookedstick - Nov 28, 2011 at 4:14 PM

    The Cardinals are not in the business of bidding against themselves……

    Since when??? They certainly did with Holliday!!

    • saints97 - Nov 28, 2011 at 5:01 PM

      Yeah, they sure were stupid there. They should have signed the same player in Jason Bay for half the price!

      I am sure that the brass in St. Louis are kicking themselves over that terrible Holliday contract.

      • Kevin S. - Nov 28, 2011 at 5:13 PM

        No, they should have signed Matt Holliday for less money. Nobody else was giving him that much.

      • thefalcon123 - Nov 28, 2011 at 5:15 PM

        The problem with Holliday’s contract was never annual salary, it was length. He has 5 guaranteed years left and it might really hurt to be paying him $17 million a year at age 34, 35 and 36.

        That being said, I’m not terribly worried about it. But I think this is what crookedstick was referring to instead of annual value.

      • djpostl - Nov 28, 2011 at 5:34 PM

        Lol dude is already falling apart and there are 5 more years on that deal. They should have paid him a whole lot less than they did seeing how nobody got in on the action with them.

      • paperlions - Nov 28, 2011 at 8:22 PM

        I’ll take 5 more years of that falling apart dude….each of his years with the Cardinals he’s been a top 10 position player in the NL….even with all of the minor injuries….and he only has one appendix…so no more worries there.

  8. okwhitefalcon - Nov 28, 2011 at 4:29 PM

    C[mon Craig, the topic ought to read:

    “John Heyman Actually Tweeted About Something Else Besides Trying To Get Bobby Valentine The Red Sox Job”.

  9. marshmallowsnake - Nov 28, 2011 at 4:33 PM

    I do not buy it. No one else was bidding on Matt Holiday, and the Cardinals managed to outbid themselves there.

  10. Stiller43 - Nov 28, 2011 at 5:00 PM

    I hear the pirates are looking for a first baseman…

    • djpostl - Nov 28, 2011 at 5:36 PM

      Lol Barmes just got the first deal for over $10 mil that team has given out since 92. They couldn’t afford Pujol’s Ozzie Canseco-like twin (if he existed)

  11. xmatt0926x - Nov 28, 2011 at 5:38 PM

    Agree with prior post. This is a case of bad timing for Albert. I wouldn’t want to give a 30+ player a 10 year deal either if I’m the Cradinals, but then how can Albert expect any less than a mega-deal for all he has done? I think everyone agrees that Albert will be pretty much done 7 or 8 years from now so why not just take that $200 million they are offering and stretch it over 7 years instead of 9? At least it raises the annual average of the deal and allows Albert to save face and the Cradinals aren’t sitting there in 8 years still paying a broken down ex-great $30 million a year.

  12. pjmarn6 - Nov 28, 2011 at 6:36 PM

    Baseball owners and front desk people must leave their brains home when they go to work. The managers have all these fancy books on every team, how to pitch to the players, how to position the outfielders, infielders erc. All scientifically studied and reported and at the finger tips of the managers for every player in the major leagues and minor leagues who may be called up.
    Yet they offer ridiculous sums of money to maybe players for too long a time when they know the career will probably be over when the player is 35-36. They don’t have someone who can put in all the data on all the players going back 30-40 years and see that a baseball player skills are going to began to deteriorate by the time he is 35? He is over the hill. They are not going to keep scouts who give bad scouting reports and you never see managers with 10 year contracts. The Cardinal management and owners like most other owners and management just sit on their brains.

    • paperlions - Nov 28, 2011 at 8:24 PM

      Fans must leave their brains at home then….because a regular season baseball game ticket is not worth anything resembling $50, the crap beer they serve is not worth anything close to $8, and the shit food isn’t worth those god-awful prices either. WTF are fans thinking?

    • paperlions - Nov 28, 2011 at 8:26 PM

      Oh yeah….and baseball owners make a crap load of money…even while overpaying for stars from time to time….those idiots, what are they thinking, making millions/year on their hobby while spending the money of fans that are too dumb to not pay $15 for a stale beer and an overcooked dog.

  13. tominma - Nov 28, 2011 at 7:00 PM

    My point was if $200M more isnt enough, then there certainly is a case for greed. Personally, I think, in the future, the Cards will as happy about giving out this deal as NYY is about the AROD’s current deal. I guarantee that he wont be a $20M player at the tail end of his career.

  14. wardmanone - Nov 28, 2011 at 10:01 PM

    First off has anything improved over the past 20 years relating training and “approved” supplements? Lets say maybe? Has their been any player close to Babe or Joe D? Maybe Albert? The Owner sets the price the employee (player) can accept it that’s of course they are competing against another team or themselves. It happens called being Paranoid. As far the value and contract I say this the Owner wouldn’t offer it if he couldn’t afford it, don’t blame the player has anyone said to there Employer No that’s to much of raise or no I won’t go to work for another company because you want to pay me boat load more. As far Matt H goes and his contract lets see how it works out, for those you who followed the Cards check the record when he was in the lineup during regular season verses not pretty amazing won vs lost and average runs per game. By the way don’t buy over price beer unless your Team stinks and it helps take sting out of another pitiful game you bought tickets for or the nasty dogs or least wait until after 3 inning that’s when cooking the new one begin. .

    • pjmarn6 - Nov 28, 2011 at 11:27 PM

      Everyone admits that the use of steroids was common and skewed the statistics and made the players look better than they really are. Home runs are down and ERAs are up. The superstars, i.e. McGuire, Clemens, Bonds and all the rest used steroids to get the fantastic contracts and filled the stadiums and got the long term contracts. Now the pendulum swung all the way back and ball players real talent is exposed and the owners and g.m.s are still greedy and can’t or wouldn’t back down. All the numbers are down across the board for the older players. Rodriguez, Posada, Pujols, a lot of pitchers erc. Seeing their attitudes, I am too good for you! I am making millions of dollars playing a kids game and suckering you, takes the enjoyment out of it. The last time I went to a came with all the expenses for a family of four it was over $400. We could have gotten good seats at a broadway show and have had wonderful memories. But just once I wanted to show the kids what baseball at the stadium was like and it was a terrible let down.
      Baseball was known as the national past time, Now it is the national disgrace.

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