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UPDATE: Greg Maddux joins Rangers as special assistant to GM

Nov 29, 2011, 6:08 PM EDT

Greg Maddux

UPDATE: According to Richard Durrett of ESPN Dallas, Greg Maddux has officially joined the Rangers as a special assistant to the general manager.

3:44 PM: Mike Maddux turned down a chance to potentially become the Cubs’ manager and decided to remain the Rangers’ pitching coach, and now his brother, future Hall of Famer Greg Maddux, has decided to leave the organization and may be joining Mike in Texas.

Phil Rogers of the Chicago Tribune reports that Maddux will resign from the special assistant to the general manager job he’s held for the past two years with the Cubs and “may soon be named to a similar position with the Rangers.”

Rogers writes that the Cubs wanted to keep Greg Maddux around, but Theo Epstein won’t block him from another gig.

Texas’ front office could lose assistant general manager Thad Levine to the Astros, but Maddux is unlikely to take on such a high-ranking position right away.

  1. WhenMattStairsIsKing - Nov 29, 2011 at 4:02 PM

    As a Cub, I’m terribly sad. But I’m glad Theo did what was right and let him go when Greg wanted to.

  2. Jonny 5 - Nov 29, 2011 at 4:11 PM

    Wouldn’t it be better to have HOF caliber pitchers working as players instead of in the office?? J/K….
    2 recent WS appearances and everyone seems to think they are going to let CJ WIlson walk. Myself, I don’t see him leaving. How do they let their best pitcher just walk like that when they’re a serious contender?

    • WhenMattStairsIsKing - Nov 29, 2011 at 4:14 PM

      I don’t think CJ has much to do with this post, Jonny.

      • Jonny 5 - Nov 29, 2011 at 4:15 PM

        He does now….

      • Kevin S. - Nov 29, 2011 at 5:59 PM

        He’s a Philly phan, WMSIK. He’s used to posting things that are tangentially-related to the subject of the blog post at best.

    • dcfan4life - Nov 29, 2011 at 4:25 PM

      Why not, they let Cliff Lee walk in the exact same position.

  3. beerjunkie - Nov 29, 2011 at 4:17 PM

    CJ has zero to do with this post, but for the record the guy won’t be back as a Ranger next season. He wants too much money. Simple as that. Rangers are smart to let someone else overpay him an spend their money elsewhere.

  4. foreverchipper10 - Nov 29, 2011 at 4:55 PM

    I honestly was unaware Greg had a position with the Cubs. Glad to hear of an update on him.

  5. miketreedy - Nov 29, 2011 at 5:04 PM

    Wow – so the Rangers will have Nolan Ryan, Mike Maddox and now Greg Maddox all working with their young pitchers. That sure is a great knowledge base.

    • WhenMattStairsIsKing - Nov 29, 2011 at 5:13 PM

      MaddUx. They’re not related to Gary MaddOx.

    • WhenMattStairsIsKing - Nov 29, 2011 at 5:26 PM

      Sorry Mike – you make a good point there. I wonder what Greg’s work will provide.

  6. Chipmaker - Nov 29, 2011 at 6:03 PM

    Imagine the philosophical debates over pitching style ‘twixt Ryan and Maddux:

    “Hall of fame!”
    “Not eligible yet!”
    “Seven no-hitters!”
    “Four Cy Youngs!”

    and so on.

    • JBerardi - Nov 29, 2011 at 9:35 PM

      For what it’s worth, Maddux was a better pitcher than Ryan… considerable better on a per-inning basis.

      • thefalcon123 - Nov 30, 2011 at 10:30 AM

        Are 9 thumbs-downers really delusional enough to think Nolan Ryan was better than Greg Maddux?

        Ryan started about 33 more games (plus the 34 games he worked in relief in his career) and worked 378 more inning. Over the course of a career, that seems pretty easy to compare:

        Greg Maddux:
        Won 31 more games
        lost 65 few games
        had an ERA 0.03 lower (while peaking in the height of the steroid era)
        Had an ERA+ 20 points higher
        Had a WHIP 0.104 lower
        Walked 1,796 fewer batters
        Was worth 12 more WAR over the course of his career

        Now, Ryan obviously struck out more batters and gave up fewer hits. The home runs are a wash since Maddux played in a *much* greater home running hitting era. It seems pretty clear that Maddux had a better career…but what about their peaks? Who was the best AT their best?

        In his top 5 seasons, Maddux won 4 Cy Young awards and averaged:
        Games: 32 (25 and 28 starts in strike seasons)
        IP: 239
        ERA: 2.24
        Record: 19-8
        ERA+: 212

        Nolan Ryan won 0 Cy Youngs and went:
        Games: 33 (down due to 81 strike…but, hey, that works evens out with Maddux!)
        IP: 236
        ERA: 2.61 ERA
        Record: 15-13 (8-16 while leading the league in ERA in 1987…that should tell you how stupid wins are!)
        ERA+ 146

        Need more?

        Ryan’s 2nd highest ERA+ is 142…that would rank 11th for Maddux.
        Ryan’s highest K/BB ratio was 3.14…that would rank 16th for Maddux.

        Ryan was great at striking out batters. He had that advantage over Maddux, but in no other regard was he really terribly close (you could say in giving up hits, but Ryan more than made up for that in his huge walk totals). Maddux had better career numbers while playing one of the best eras environments in baseball history. Ryan played mostly in the low run scoring 1970s American league and then in the 1980s Astrodome…a great environment for pitchers.

        No one is denying Ryan’s rightful place in the hall of fame. But claiming Ryan was better than Greg Maddux border’s on insanity. Making that a sincere claim is a level of intellectual dishonesty that I can’t even fathom.

      • WhenMattStairsIsKing - Nov 30, 2011 at 11:37 AM

        The thing that sticks with most people who would believe Ryan > Maddux is that Ryan pitched for 27 seasons. Which is unbelievably incredible.

        I think it’s a fun debate to compare the two, though.

  7. hardjudge - Nov 30, 2011 at 12:35 AM

    If Ryan had played for winners like Atlanta, he would have had much better stats, ie., Astros, Rangers to end his career.

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