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UPDATE: Hanley Ramirez “distraught” over changing positions

Dec 5, 2011, 11:34 PM EDT

Hanley Ramirez Reuters

11:34 PM: And so it begins. Joe Capozzi of the Palm Beach Post hears that Hanley Ramirez is “distraught” over the prospect of changing positions to make room for Jose Reyes.

6:25 PM: We’ve heard plenty of speculation that Hanley Ramirez could force his way out of Miami following the signing of Jose Reyes. It may happen eventually, but the Marlins appear committed to trying to make things work.

According to Danny Knobler of, Marlins owner Jeffrey Loria said this afternoon that he considers Ramirez “part of the plan, part of the core.” Furthermore, he expressed confidence that Ramirez will be amenable to a move to third base.

“Hanley is a super-professional,” Loria, the Marlins owner, said Monday. “We will work with him, make everything comfortable for him.”

Ken Rosenthal of hears that Ramirez has a “strong preference” to remain at shortstop, but that he will handle the matter professionally. And it would behoove him to embrace the move if he wants to be part of a winner. But if he sulks a couple of months from now and forces a trade, the Marlins may end up taking one step forward and one step back.

  1. Old Gator - Dec 5, 2011 at 7:12 PM

    It’s not as if the Feesh have a choice at this point. Until the Hanster proves that his shoulder is healed and/or that he can play back up to the level of performance we got used to prior to Scrooge McLoria blighting his career with that accursed amulet to open the 2010 season, they aren’t going to be able to move him without gagging down most of his remaining contract anyway. So, this is all a nifty little traffic in weasel words.

    And third base is still a very bad idea.

  2. andyreidisfat - Dec 5, 2011 at 7:33 PM

    I was hoping for the fish to need to shed hanleys salary if they got Albert and the cripple. Then I was think Dom brown , polanco and one of the baby aces for Hanley and lomo. To me this trAde would help both teams. The fish get a 3 rd basemen who when healthy can be good, and lomo and brown both get. New starts with new teams.

    This would also allow the phills to get rid Rollins who IMO is the most overrated value in baseball. Yeah he still is a great fielder but he had been awful for the lat 2 years hitting. Hanley would give the phills a guy who can hit anywhere from 2-5 in the order and would allow pence to lead off as he is the closest to being a lead off style guy

    • mashoaf - Dec 6, 2011 at 12:05 AM

      In Division?

    • firedude7160 - Dec 6, 2011 at 12:50 AM

      Easily the dumbest trade I have heard in a long time. And Pence is not a lead off guy. Victorino is a lead off guy, and would get that honor if Jimmy doesn’t return (He should get it even IF Jimmy comes back)

    • CJ - Dec 6, 2011 at 12:55 AM

      the only thing you got right in that entire post is your handle. well done.

    • Utley's Hair - Dec 6, 2011 at 3:34 AM

      I, for one, am sure as hell glad you are not NinJr.

      Who exactly are the “baby aces,” as you call them? Cliffy and Doc? Surely not. Hamels? No way Ruben would do that. Oswalt isn’t on the roster at the moment, and I highly doubt NinJr. would sign him just to ship him to Gator’s country. Worley? Don’t think the third place ROY would go. Blanton? Maybe, but a “baby ace” he is not.

      JRoll’s still got something in the tank—whether it’s more than three years is debatable. Pence is not a leadoff guy—the Hawaiian is and should be. I haven’t made up my mind on Polly yet, but I’m leaning toward giving him a shot, and have no interest whatsoever in the Tweetmeister, especially since Nix and Mayberry will be the likely platoon in left.

      But as CJ said, your handle is dead on.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Dec 6, 2011 at 7:55 AM

        He was referring to one of May, Julio Rodriguez, or the other guy who had a terrible year at Clearwater…can’t remember the name off the top of my head.

    • protius - Dec 6, 2011 at 5:44 AM

      Are you brain dead?

      • Old Gator - Dec 6, 2011 at 11:22 AM

        And what if he is? Would you really want one of his parts?

  3. PanchoHerreraFanClub - Dec 5, 2011 at 11:36 PM

    Of course the Marlins are keeping him, someone has to play short during the 100 or so game per year Reyes is on the DL.

  4. jeteribarelyknowher - Dec 5, 2011 at 11:55 PM

    Wait Polanco, Brown and a pitcher for Ramirez and Logan Morrison?!

    Yeah that’s going to happen.

    • cosanostra71 - Dec 6, 2011 at 12:37 AM

      it’s like totally a fair trade though!

    • CJ - Dec 6, 2011 at 12:56 AM

      Ed Wade even said that was unfair. If it were him, he’d kick in at least 15 million to the Phils to even things out.

  5. genericcommenter - Dec 6, 2011 at 12:36 AM

    Which one of these guys is, you know, the better shortstop? I’m not that good with fielding metrics and the stuff I looked at didn’t seem conclusive. I haven’t seen either play that much.

    • Old Gator - Dec 6, 2011 at 8:05 AM

      Reyes. Hanley at his best was never more than an average shortstop, and he wasn’t at his best very much.

  6. cup0pizza - Dec 6, 2011 at 2:38 AM

    I’ll trade lives with him since he’s so distraught.

    • skids003 - Dec 6, 2011 at 7:46 AM

      Yeah, I think I could play any position they asked me to. I’d even take a 50% pay cut.

    • Old Gator - Dec 6, 2011 at 8:04 AM

      From what we know of you, none of us would be surprised if you traded lives with Michelle Bachmann.

  7. purnellmeagrejr - Dec 6, 2011 at 6:25 AM

    For some reason I’ve expected he will end up back with the Sox. It would be intersting if he was traded for Beckett (won’t happen) Are there any historians who can cite a trade where a player was traded for another player – and then – after a period of years was traded back for the same player? I can’t think of any.

    • yankeefan1950 - Dec 6, 2011 at 9:55 AM

      On April 25, 1962—before he even played a game for the Indians—Harry Chiti was acquired by the expansion New York Mets for a player to be named later. However, he was sent back to the Indians on June 15, 1962 after 15 games and a .195 batting average.] Since Chiti was the “player to be named later,” he thus became the first player ever traded for himself.

      • bozosforall - Dec 6, 2011 at 11:12 AM

        Besides Chiti there were some other players that were traded for themselves (so not that unique):

        John MacDonald (7/22/05 and 11/10/05)
        Archie Corbin (11/20/92 and 2/5/93)
        Mark Ross (12/9/85 and 3/31/86)
        Dickie Noles (9/22/87 and 10/23/87)
        Clint Courtney (1/24/61 and 3/14/61)

        Tim Cullen and Ron Hansen were actually traded for each other twice in the same season between the white sox and washington senators in 1968.

      • purnellmeagrejr - Dec 7, 2011 at 8:39 AM

        thanks; I love History.

  8. bigvinnyinjax - Dec 6, 2011 at 6:59 AM

    Hanley was given the chance to be the face of this franchise and he blew it last year. If he can’t handle the move to 3b then he can move out of state. The Marlins have a solid core of young players and I’m sure we’d be just fine without him.

    • Old Gator - Dec 6, 2011 at 8:01 AM

      Agreed. Last season the Spawrts Tork Raydeeo waves were gagged with fans calling in to propose trades for Hanley to any number of other teams, a lot of hostility and a lot of feeling fed up with his pouting, whining and hot-dogging. By the end of the season the show hosts were chiming in on it too. Hanley had come close to burning his bridges with the fans by the time he went in for surgery to clear up his “non-structural” shoulder damage. Given his minimal contribution afield last season, if he’s going to play the schlemozzel now, he’s not going to leave any mourners behind if the Feesh boot his nates out of the division.

      The big problem with dumping the Hanster right now, of course, is his shoulder. If he wants to go someplace that matters, he’s going to have to have, at the very least, an excellent spring because after a winter of splurging like this the Feesh aren’t going to have much of an appetite for eating a big gout of his remaining contract.

  9. cidminion - Dec 6, 2011 at 7:44 AM

    i dont blame him for being distraught. this guy has been in the bottom three of the gold glove race since he’s been in the league. Seriously this guy needs a severe ass whooping. maybe a favor from nolan ryan could be a head lock and jabs.

  10. wizardofosrin - Dec 6, 2011 at 7:51 AM

    Poor little Hanley is ‘distraught’?!

    What a crock of bull-puckey.

    Ever since he signed his $40+ million contract extension his performance has deteriorated markedly and his personality now resembles that of a petulant, over-paid, self-absorbed (did I leave anything out?) child.

    He needs to butch-up and shut-up. The fact is he is not the center of the universe nor is he the leader of this team. If ownership is keeping their word (though knowing the Marlins they will keep everyone for a year and then trade them) and trying to bring in high-priced and powered talent all Hanley should care about is the opportunity to contribute no matter what it takes.

    What’s he going to do if the team signs Albert Pujols? Jump off the Miami River bridge?

    Puhleaze….grow up Hanley ya spoiled dope.

  11. realgone2 - Dec 6, 2011 at 9:29 AM

    My Braves could use a short stop. Um…..we’ll give ya Fredi back. You probably need more janitors now that you have a new stadium.

  12. bravojawja - Dec 6, 2011 at 9:30 AM

    If Hanley can’t make the throws from SS, let alone 3B, why not move him to 2B and either move Omar Infante to 3B or make him the All Star super-utility he was with Atlanta?

  13. jeffro33 - Dec 6, 2011 at 10:00 AM

    What about second base?

  14. mojosmagic - Dec 6, 2011 at 10:47 AM

    Two year old loser. Anybody who trades for this guy is a fool.

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