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UPDATE: The Marlins have improved upon their initial offer to Albert Pujols

Dec 6, 2011, 12:48 AM EDT

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UPDATE II: It’s fair to say that Pujols’ agent walked away from tonight’s meeting happy. Scott Miller of reports that the Marlins have “boosted” their nine-year offer to the free agent first baseman.

No word on the specific terms, but “one person with knowledge of the talks” said negotiations will likely play out more before a decision is reached. The Marlins’ initial reported offer was said to be for significantly less than the nine-year, $198-210 million deal offered by the Cardinals earlier this year, so this may not mean a lot yet.

UPDATE: Jayson Stark of confirms that the Marlins and Pujols’ agent will indeed meet again tonight.

8:03 PM: It appears that the Marlins and Dan Lozano, the agent for Albert Pujols, are already setting up another meeting, having met already once this afternoon.

The Cardinals, too, are due to meet again with Lozano. According to Newsday’s Ken Davidoff, they view the Marlins as a real threat to land the three-time MVP.

St. Louis isn’t known to have made a new offer to Pujols since he turned down a nine-year, $198 million extension in January, and reports indicate that they’re not willing to go much higher now. While $200 million sounds nice, the $22 million per year would put Pujols behind Alex Rodriguez, Ryan Howard, CC Sabathia, Cliff Lee, Joe Mauer, Johan Santana and Mark Teixeira in terms of annual salary.

Despite having already spent $106 million on Jose Reyes and $27 million on Heath Bell, the Marlins look like legitimate suitors for Pujols. They’d certainly have to eclipse the Cardinals’ offer to have a shot, but as much as Pujols is believed to enjoy playing in St. Louis, he may not take kindly to the perceived lack of respect being displayed in contract negotations. Pujols has never come close to earning what he’s worth, and while it’s true that the Cardinals don’t rake in dollars like the Yankees and Red Sox, they did outbid everyone for a premier talent in Matt Holliday two years ago.

  1. 1972wasalongtimeago - Dec 5, 2011 at 8:17 PM

    It is sooooo on

  2. sknut - Dec 5, 2011 at 8:34 PM

    I wonder if he met with the Cardinals in between meetings with the Feesh and is shopping a offer. Otherwise meeting with the Feesh two times in a row means they potentially close to a deal possibly?

  3. okwhitefalcon - Dec 5, 2011 at 8:35 PM

    Not so fast..

    The Cards may have their 3rd meeting with Lozano tonight as well according to BJ Rains twitter feed…!/BJRains

    Confirmed that Cardinals hour-long meeting with Pujols’ agent Dan Lozano was last night. They talked again today and more possible tonight.

  4. sjsharksfan11 - Dec 5, 2011 at 8:40 PM

    I hope he goes to Miami and burns St. Louis. Nobody likes the Cardinals

    • okwhitefalcon - Dec 5, 2011 at 8:56 PM

      Tradition and success breeds contempt.

    • stlouis1baseball - Dec 6, 2011 at 1:57 PM

      Shark: Success breeds Jealousy….CHUMP!

  5. Old Gator - Dec 5, 2011 at 8:41 PM

    This is getting freakish.

    Let’s assume we enter truly Garcimarquesian terrain and the Feesh somehow do sign Pujols, who becomes the next Shaq and/or LeBron (rolled into one) of Macondo. What kind of room will the Feesh have in their budget for a stud starter? They need Buehrle or Wilson, or Gio at the very least, or they risk becoming the old Minnesota Twins of the contemporaneous NL east.

    The Iron Giant is untouchable and the Hanster is damaged goods for our immediate purposes. That leaves a Tweeter package, perhaps with Matt Dominguez and some EYP or other, if the Feesh are really serious about slitting their wrists defensively and moving the Hanster to third.

    • Old Gator - Dec 5, 2011 at 8:45 PM

      Omibuddha, it just manifested as one of those monstrously concrete hallucinations: Hanley (rejuvenated), Pujols, Stanton, 3-4-5. Aaaaaaaaaaaagggggghhhhhhh.

      You know what? They could be playing to 15,000 solid a night with a lineup like that.

      • sknut - Dec 5, 2011 at 8:53 PM

        If they did sign Pujols wouldn’t Nolasco and Gaby Sanchez be on the trading block to assemple some of the aferementioned pieces.

      • okwhitefalcon - Dec 5, 2011 at 9:04 PM

        Gator, between the ja-hetto they built that place in and the blue hairs not wanting to go anywhere near there after dark 15k a night maybe bright siding it after the new wears off.

      • Old Gator - Dec 5, 2011 at 10:32 PM

        Falcon: there’s nothing wrong with the neighborhood. Its demographic runs the gamut from blue collar to gentrifying yuppitude. Macondo Banana Massacre Field will only improve things. It won’t be the transformative effect that Camden Yards and Ravens Stadium had on Baltimore, since this is, after all, Macondo and there was no coordinated planning for the area. Nevertheless, once they get the current taxability dispute about the garage outbuildings settled and move in the cafes, boutiques and even a disco or two, the gentrification will continue apace regardless of how well the Feesh do at the gate.

        The wellsprings of fan ennui in Macondo run shallow, but the causes lie elsewhere than the neighborhood.

    • 1972wasalongtimeago - Dec 5, 2011 at 9:03 PM

      I’m kinda new here. Are you pro or anti Marlins? And other than “Hanster”, are we supposed to know of whom you speak with these nicknames? Hanster is not going to catch on, you know this right? Anyway, you’re passionate so you’re alright with me.

      • StayAnchoredinHope - Dec 5, 2011 at 9:33 PM

        I actually understood everything he said. You’ll learn….

      • Ari Collins - Dec 5, 2011 at 9:55 PM

        Gator has a love/hate relationship with the Marlins. A complicated marriage in which the Marlins want an open relationship and Gator goes along with it because he can’t stand the thought of divorce.

    • Jonny 5 - Dec 5, 2011 at 9:35 PM

      Dang Gator, you won’t be needing the little blue pill again for months if this deal happens. Talk about cutting into the win column for the Phills…..

      • Old Gator - Dec 5, 2011 at 10:24 PM

        You are of course referring to my daily dose of baby aspirin?

    • thejotapee - Dec 5, 2011 at 9:48 PM

      If we sign Pujols, then we must be going all in! I’m sure they still sign a Buerhle and/or Roy Oswalt regardless of whether they sign Pujols or not. And Gaby Sanchez and Matt Dominguez would become trade chips for another starter.

      • Old Gator - Dec 5, 2011 at 10:22 PM

        I’d find a way to keep Gaby and throw Tweeter into the package with Dominguez myself. Look, I know this number by heartsink already: 146 RISP. For some reason he has cachet despite running away like a schoolgirl from a five inch long praying mantis. This guy is expendable. Like John Lithgow in Garp, moseying right along here, Dominguez has great hands but he couldn’t win a footrace with an arthritic glyptodont. Between the two of them, you can go zero to sixty in three days.

  6. Andee - Dec 5, 2011 at 8:49 PM

    I should start by saying I’m not a Cardinals fan. That said, an Albert Pujols in any other uniform will not swing as sweet. Pujols in a Marlins uniform? Man, I feel dirty.

    • 1972wasalongtimeago - Dec 5, 2011 at 8:56 PM

      If Cardinals management doesn’t feel that way about it, neither should you.

      • Old Gator - Dec 5, 2011 at 10:37 PM

        Who cares what the Cardinals management thinks? If after benefiting from the services of the greatest ballplayer of his generation for years on a bargain of a contract they want to lose him over a million or two a year now, screw ’em. Being realistic, I still think he’s going to wind up back in St. Louis, but if he doesn’t the ownership of the Cards will have proven themselves both ungrateful and hapless in heretofore unsuspected measure.

        Incidentally, 1972 was when I married my ex-wife. I guarangoddamntee ya that it seems longer ago to you than it does to me.

  7. concernedcitizen001 - Dec 5, 2011 at 9:19 PM

    So the title of the link says “Pujols’ agent to meet with Marlins again,” but then the article states “Albert Pujols’ agent could meet with Marlins again tonight.” So which is it?

    • Matthew Pouliot - Dec 5, 2011 at 9:23 PM

      Rosenthal indicated that it could be tonight. No confirmation of that as yet.

      • okwhitefalcon - Dec 5, 2011 at 9:34 PM

        Or could have read…

        “Pujols’ agent met with Cards last night, today and possibly tonight”.

        A bit of a less sensational spin but every bit as factual…

  8. captamerica17 - Dec 5, 2011 at 10:36 PM

    Overpaying for Holliday a couple of years ago may very well cost STL the best player in baseball. And this Cubs fan couldn’t be happier.

    • stlouis1baseball - Dec 6, 2011 at 2:03 PM

      I hear what you are saying America. The Holliday deal is precisely what pisses me off so much.
      Please don’t missunderstand me…I am very happy they signed him. What pisses me off is Mo specifically stated they had A.P.’s upcoming contract in mind when they signd Matt and they felt like they could get both done. It should have never came to this.

  9. westcoastredbird - Dec 6, 2011 at 1:17 AM

    You bet they improved their offer. Dan Lozano is gripping. Albert’s wife is trying to get rid of him now! Lozano’s needs to close this deal now or lose it. How great is this the real housewives of free agents! You can’t make this stuff up. Hopefully Albert is clean of HGH and cheating on his wife. It would be a sad commentary if he was cheating and would put him in the same boat as A-ROD in pursing the home run record.

    • marinersnate - Dec 6, 2011 at 1:52 AM

      You must have read a lot more in that story than I did. Was there invisible ink?

    • Utley's Hair - Dec 6, 2011 at 2:43 AM

      Are there grounds for your ramblings about Pujols juicing and cheating on his wife? Or are you just taking preemptive shots at him for possibly leaving the Cards?

    • stlouis1baseball - Dec 6, 2011 at 2:10 PM

      Redbird: You call yourself a “fan” and spew that drivel? He has quite possibly been tested more than any player in MLB (exclulding those who have been popped previously).
      He even openly admitted to being tested 30+ times two summers ago and stated he would forfeit his contract if EVER found to have been cheating. I saw the freaking on-field interview.
      Then…your gonna’ “one up” your HGH bullshit with the “cheating on his wife” crap?
      All of this…with “Redbird” in your handle? You Sir…or a PRENTENDER.
      My guess…much like the so-called “Cardinals fans” who jump on the Cardinals site, create a cheesy “Cardinals” handle to talk crap then ALWAYS end up showing themselves to be a Cubs fan…Redlegs fan…or Brewers fan.
      You call yourself a “fan?” You should be ashamed of yourself.

  10. sportsfan2011 - Dec 6, 2011 at 5:22 AM

    as a hornets fan this trade talk has me sick.

  11. sportsfan2011 - Dec 6, 2011 at 5:22 AM

    Sorry wrong board.

  12. purnellmeagrejr - Dec 6, 2011 at 6:19 AM

    Anybody that pays $200 million for the best player in baseball will be happy for a a couple years – and for the remainder of the contract will have to subsist on the memories of a nice honeymoon.

  13. bigvinnyinjax - Dec 6, 2011 at 6:57 AM

    Pujols in the one guy who can make those horrible uniforms look good. Get him to Florida now.

  14. amaninwhite - Dec 6, 2011 at 7:47 AM

    His agent walked away happy because he now has the offer he needs to leverage the Cardinals. Pujols is going nowhere.

    • paperlions - Dec 6, 2011 at 7:53 AM

      We don’t actually know that…..the original offer was reported to be significantly below what the Cardinals were offering, there are many ways to boost such an offer and still have the second highest bid. I can’t see the Cardinals saying “Oh, you now have a lower offer that is less low…well, geez, let us get right on increasing our offer that is already the highest.”

  15. skeleteeth - Dec 6, 2011 at 8:36 AM

    9 years?? NINE years?!?!

  16. paperlions - Dec 6, 2011 at 8:45 AM

    One aspect that has been kind of ignored with respect to the Cardinals previous offer, it was 9 years INCLUDING 2011 as the first year…meaning that technically, that offer isn’t valid anymore or could be considered to be only 8 more years at about $22M per.

    • stlouis1baseball - Dec 6, 2011 at 2:12 PM

      Your dead on Paper. This is something that I have been thinking about since AP broke the talks off just prior to ST.

  17. brockw82 - Dec 6, 2011 at 9:15 AM

    who the heck is the Iron Giant?

    • stlouis1baseball - Dec 6, 2011 at 2:14 PM

      Brock: Trust me. Don’t waste your time. You will end up getting a headache.

  18. realgone2 - Dec 6, 2011 at 9:22 AM

    I’m not up on my Marlins info. Where are they getting all this dinero?

    • paperlions - Dec 6, 2011 at 9:32 AM

      Dade County tax payers, duh.

  19. cintiphil - Dec 6, 2011 at 10:33 AM


    Where do you get your money information? We know the Dewitts well in Cinti. If there is anyone in baseball with a better situation than him, I would like to know who. We know he is a multi-millionaire on his own, then he and his partners bought the Cardinals for almost a song (less than 100 Mil net). So he has a new park which the city paid for, and owns land next to the park downtown, and just a winning team which gets over 3 mil in attendance every year. And, his annual salary is only about 110 Mil. How do you figure that he doesn’t have the resources to pay Albert? I would suggest, that no one in baseball except for the Yankees have more resources to pay Albert what he asks. And even the Yankees are so loaded down with the highest payroll in the game, that they may not have any money they wish to part with. What are they going to do, get to 1/2 bil salary? So, I think the right point is Do the Cards Want to pay more for Albert, not can they afford it.

    • stlouis1baseball - Dec 6, 2011 at 2:26 PM

      Cincy: DeWallet isn’t a mult-imillinaire. He is (1) of only a handful of true billionaire owners in MLB. He bought the Club (and surrounding parking rights) for 160M….then immediately sold the surrounding garages and subsequent parking rights for 90M. The Man is a very shrewd businessman. So you are absolutely correct with your last sentence. It is a matter of what DeWallet wants to do. My guess…he doesn’t want to pay the man. Which is very unfortunate considering the amount of monies they have made as a direct result of him being on the team. Monies made mind you…that were realized at a great bargain. The Man has always re-up’d early…and taken less. Based upon the aforementioned revenues the Organization has realized up to this point…it is now time to PAY THE PIPER.

  20. diablito0402 - Dec 6, 2011 at 10:41 AM

    Pujols is worth more than any other ball player period,

    • cintiphil - Dec 6, 2011 at 10:48 AM

      I agree he is a great talent, but he is only worth what someone/team, will pay.

  21. siftin thru nonsense - Dec 6, 2011 at 11:17 AM

    Howard is wayy overpaid. ugh.

  22. fmlizard - Dec 6, 2011 at 12:39 PM

    Will there be any free agents that do not sign with the Marlins? And how is it that a city with a poor economy (worse than the national average for cities of its size) and the worst fans in all of sports can be so flush with cash for all of its teams?

    Marlins games in the old park had the most sparse attendance in all of pro sports. Temple football games looked raucous in comparison. Now we are supposed to believe all that will change with a new park and a couple mercenaries? Not giving a crap is part of the local culture. Two World Series wins didn’t even change that.

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