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	<title>Comments on: UPDATE: David Ortiz accepts Boston&#8217;s arbitration offer</title>
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		<title>By: clevername1</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[clevername1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 23:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am shocked! I agree.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am shocked! I agree.</p>
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		<title>By: bozosforall</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bozosforall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 15:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder how the arbitrators will resolve the difference between how often Ortiz wants his steroids delivered (weekly) versus how often the team wants to deliver them (monthly).  Maybe they compromise by doing it twice a month?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how the arbitrators will resolve the difference between how often Ortiz wants his steroids delivered (weekly) versus how often the team wants to deliver them (monthly).  Maybe they compromise by doing it twice a month?</p>
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		<title>By: florida727</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/07/david-ortiz-will-accept-bostons-arbitration-offer/comment-page-1/#comment-232282</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[florida727]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 13:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Ari Collins&quot;, sorry, but you&#039;re the one that doesn&#039;t understand arbitration.  They don&#039;t settle in arbitration.  That would be &quot;mediation&quot;.  In arbitration, both sides put out a number and the arbitrator chooses one based on the factual evidence supporting each one&#039;s position.  The arbitrator may or may not choose to use past incidents (other arbitration decisions of a similar nature) to guide his decision.  Not supposed to though.  Each case in arbitration is to be presented as a prima facie matter... a case that stands on its own merit.  Bottom line though, no, they wouldn&#039;t &quot;settle on just over $14MM&quot;, with &quot;settle&quot; being the key word there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Ari Collins&#8221;, sorry, but you&#8217;re the one that doesn&#8217;t understand arbitration.  They don&#8217;t settle in arbitration.  That would be &#8220;mediation&#8221;.  In arbitration, both sides put out a number and the arbitrator chooses one based on the factual evidence supporting each one&#8217;s position.  The arbitrator may or may not choose to use past incidents (other arbitration decisions of a similar nature) to guide his decision.  Not supposed to though.  Each case in arbitration is to be presented as a prima facie matter&#8230; a case that stands on its own merit.  Bottom line though, no, they wouldn&#8217;t &#8220;settle on just over $14MM&#8221;, with &#8220;settle&#8221; being the key word there.</p>
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		<title>By: bigharold</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bigharold]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 03:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I don’t think you understand how arbitration works&quot;

I understand how it works, .. I don&#039;t agree with the 14 mil as acceptable from Ortiz point of view.  What are the RS going to offer, .. less than what he made last year?  What&#039;s the likelihood that an arbitrator accepts that?  

In all likelihood they&#039;ll offer about 13 mil since he made 12.5 mil last year.  So for a 1.5 bump he might as well ask for 15 mil and if he has to, settle for the 13 mil that they&#039;ll likely offer if it goes against him.  Unless he gets the two years and close to the money that he really wants, or at least a realistic shot at it with an option, he might as well stick to his guns.  If he starts out by accepting a one year deal in any form he gives the RS the upper hand.  It&#039;s not as important that he makes an extra  million for one year as it is that he demonstrates that he&#039;s committed to multiple years.  The RS gave up significant leverage when they offered him arbitration because there is no longer the specter that the RS could decide not to re-sign him and put him in the 8-10 mil range that he&#039;d have to hustle to get with any team not the RS.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I don’t think you understand how arbitration works&#8221;</p>
<p>I understand how it works, .. I don&#8217;t agree with the 14 mil as acceptable from Ortiz point of view.  What are the RS going to offer, .. less than what he made last year?  What&#8217;s the likelihood that an arbitrator accepts that?  </p>
<p>In all likelihood they&#8217;ll offer about 13 mil since he made 12.5 mil last year.  So for a 1.5 bump he might as well ask for 15 mil and if he has to, settle for the 13 mil that they&#8217;ll likely offer if it goes against him.  Unless he gets the two years and close to the money that he really wants, or at least a realistic shot at it with an option, he might as well stick to his guns.  If he starts out by accepting a one year deal in any form he gives the RS the upper hand.  It&#8217;s not as important that he makes an extra  million for one year as it is that he demonstrates that he&#8217;s committed to multiple years.  The RS gave up significant leverage when they offered him arbitration because there is no longer the specter that the RS could decide not to re-sign him and put him in the 8-10 mil range that he&#8217;d have to hustle to get with any team not the RS.</p>
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		<title>By: Ari Collins</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ari Collins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 03:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think you understand how arbitration works. If he asks for more than $15MM in arbitration, he&#039;ll make it more likely the arbitrators will take Boston&#039;s numbers.

$14MM (or thereabouts) is likely to be the midpoint and where they settle, until and unless they negotiate a two-year deal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think you understand how arbitration works. If he asks for more than $15MM in arbitration, he&#8217;ll make it more likely the arbitrators will take Boston&#8217;s numbers.</p>
<p>$14MM (or thereabouts) is likely to be the midpoint and where they settle, until and unless they negotiate a two-year deal.</p>
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		<title>By: bigharold</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bigharold]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 03:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, I understand that.  I&#039;m thinking that unless he gets at least a one year deal with an option I don&#039;t see the logic in accepting a one year deal for 14 mil as was suggested.  Either take the arbitration and live with whatever you get or get your two year deal, even if it&#039;s in the form of an option, vesting perhaps, and a buy out.  

Settling to avoid a hearing makes little sense at 14 mil since it&#039;s only a slight improvement over what he made last year, ( and yes, I realize that by slight improvement I mean more than I&#039;ll make in the next 15-20 years if I&#039;m fortunate enough to live that long and maintain gainful employment).  If it gets as far as a hearing go for broke.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I understand that.  I&#8217;m thinking that unless he gets at least a one year deal with an option I don&#8217;t see the logic in accepting a one year deal for 14 mil as was suggested.  Either take the arbitration and live with whatever you get or get your two year deal, even if it&#8217;s in the form of an option, vesting perhaps, and a buy out.  </p>
<p>Settling to avoid a hearing makes little sense at 14 mil since it&#8217;s only a slight improvement over what he made last year, ( and yes, I realize that by slight improvement I mean more than I&#8217;ll make in the next 15-20 years if I&#8217;m fortunate enough to live that long and maintain gainful employment).  If it gets as far as a hearing go for broke.</p>
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		<title>By: jeteribarelyknowher</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jeteribarelyknowher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 02:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz</p>
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		<title>By: hammyofdoom</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hammyofdoom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 02:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love this, because even if Ortiz is doing great half way through the season they can tack on another year (unless the Sox plan on going with youk at DH and Middlebrooks at 3rd. This gives them plenty of flexibility, and if Ortiz keeps chugging along this can be nothing but a plus]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this, because even if Ortiz is doing great half way through the season they can tack on another year (unless the Sox plan on going with youk at DH and Middlebrooks at 3rd. This gives them plenty of flexibility, and if Ortiz keeps chugging along this can be nothing but a plus</p>
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		<title>By: JBerardi</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JBerardi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 02:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You can&#039;t get an option year in arbitration, if that&#039;s what you&#039;re suggesting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t get an option year in arbitration, if that&#8217;s what you&#8217;re suggesting.</p>
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		<title>By: bigharold</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bigharold]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 23:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot; they settle on just over $14MM.&quot;

I would think that Ortiz would at least hold out for an option with a buy out.  Otherwise what does he have to lose?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; they settle on just over $14MM.&#8221;</p>
<p>I would think that Ortiz would at least hold out for an option with a buy out.  Otherwise what does he have to lose?</p>
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		<title>By: bozosforall</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bozosforall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 22:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s to the arbitrators giving Ortiz the entire $15 mil.  He&#039;s earned it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s to the arbitrators giving Ortiz the entire $15 mil.  He&#8217;s earned it.</p>
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		<title>By: uyf1950</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/07/david-ortiz-will-accept-bostons-arbitration-offer/comment-page-1/#comment-231872</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[uyf1950]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 21:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My guess is the Red Sox offer $13MM, Ortiz counters with $15MM and they settle on just over $14MM.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My guess is the Red Sox offer $13MM, Ortiz counters with $15MM and they settle on just over $14MM.</p>
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		<title>By: bozosforall</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bozosforall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 20:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Milk them for all you can get, Ortiz!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Milk them for all you can get, Ortiz!</p>
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