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UPDATE: Denials all around after report states Hanley Ramirez likely to be dealt

Dec 7, 2011, 5:35 PM EDT

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5:35 p.m. EST update: Marlins president David Samson said there’s no truth to this at all; that Ramirez didn’t ask for his contract to be restructured and that there will be no trade.

4:30 p.m. EST update: Andy Mota, Ramirez’s agent, told the Miami Herald’s Clark Spencer that Olney was way off with his report. He says Ramirez did not ask for a restructured contract and that the team is not exploring trades. “Not even close,” Mota said.


A source tells ESPN’s Buster Olney that the Marlins will look to trade Hanley Ramirez after the disgruntled infielder requested a restructured deal from the team.

Ramirez is upset about being asked to move to third base from shortstop to make room for Jose Reyes, but he doesn’t have a leg to stand on here. He’s already guaranteed $46.5 million over the next three years, and his play the last two seasons certainly doesn’t warrant any new considerations. Ramirez looked like he’d be a perennial MVP candidate after an awesome three-year run in his mid-20s, but his OPS has dropped from .954 to .853 to .712 since 2009.

Olney speculates that the Marlins, knowing that they would shed Ramirez’s salary, could sign Prince Fielder and either C.J. Wilson or Mark Buehrle in the next few days. They’ve already made a six-year offer to Wilson and a four-year proposal to Buehrle.

The Red Sox and Tigers are two of the teams that could be interested in taking on Ramirez’s contract.

  1. randygnyc - Dec 7, 2011 at 4:16 PM

    What a D O U C H E ! ! !

  2. b7p19 - Dec 7, 2011 at 4:18 PM

    Sounds like the leader in the clubhouse for MVP next season…right?

  3. beerjunkie - Dec 7, 2011 at 4:18 PM


  4. lyon810 - Dec 7, 2011 at 4:18 PM

    If this report is true, it surely confirms Hanley as the worst team-player in pro sports

    • HitsDingers - Dec 7, 2011 at 4:20 PM

      Don’t you dare diss Terrell Owens like that

      • El Bravo - Dec 7, 2011 at 4:21 PM

        “in pro sports” is the key phrase, thus technically lyon is still correct.

    • all4tookie - Dec 7, 2011 at 4:23 PM

      I am assuming you made the same claims about Michael Young did the same thing.

      • all4tookie - Dec 7, 2011 at 4:24 PM

        ^when he did the same thing

      • lyon810 - Dec 7, 2011 at 4:25 PM

        The Young thing never bothered me that much. This, however, is comically unbelievable.

      • djpostl - Dec 7, 2011 at 4:32 PM

        Michael Young had already changed positions for his team. Twice. On top of that he hadn’t dogged it repeatedly and been the trouble for varying degrees of douche-baggery either.

        Every case is different in the real world, so don’t even try to slap Young in with grade A candyass who has been nothing, but a crappy person his entire baseball life.

        Boston hated him, their coaches at every level who had to endure him were glad to see him go. He has done nothing to change that assessment in his time in Florida either.

      • xmatt0926x - Dec 7, 2011 at 4:32 PM

        As I recall, Michael Young took quite a beating on this website when he was doing the same thing last year. Hell, Craig Calcaterra is the chairman of the “Michael Young please get over yourself” board. Young almost replaced Frenchy as Craig’s anti-Christ.

      • paperlions - Dec 7, 2011 at 4:35 PM

        So then…what is it, do you think, that makes you dislike Ramirez but not Young when they basically have done the same thing?

        Could it be that public opinion is shaped by the spin put on events by reporters, who may be susceptible to their own brands of bias?

        If not, then what possible reason is there to feel differently about the actions of these two players?

  5. El Bravo - Dec 7, 2011 at 4:20 PM

    You’d think simple reverse psychology would work on someone so infantile. The Marlins could simply say to him, “Boy, third base is just a bit too tough for you to handle huh, Hanley? Are the balls just coming your way too fast at the hot corner? Will it hurt your pretty little hands?” Then Hanley’s pride would get the better of him and he’d be like “I’ll show you! I’m gonna be the bestest 3B ever ever ever!!! So there! You’ll see!!”

    All this said (and I do think Hanley is a whiny bizznatch for this), the Marlins KNEW this already!!! Why on earth did we all predict this, but they did not? Perhaps they knew all along too and were ready to dump him, but something tells me they just figured he’d move to 3B quietly. Dummies!

    • El Bravo - Dec 7, 2011 at 4:36 PM

      Thanks a lot Pouliot! I write this out and then this post becomes non-news! I reserve this comment for when he actually does make a real stink about moving positions!

      …at the very least you weeded out a racist commenter.

      • Matthew Pouliot - Dec 7, 2011 at 4:43 PM

        Well, we’ve only heard from the agent so far. No one else is rushing to defend Hanley.

  6. Jonny 5 - Dec 7, 2011 at 4:20 PM

    I wasn’t aware that that third basemen were more valuable than short stops. Huh?

  7. rdb4133 - Dec 7, 2011 at 4:21 PM

    Good riddance. I just wish we would have traded him when his value was much higher!

  8. djpostl - Dec 7, 2011 at 4:23 PM

    If the Cards even remotely close to the Marlins offer this has to seal the deal with Pujols not going anywhere, why step into this kind of shit?

  9. xmatt0926x - Dec 7, 2011 at 4:23 PM

    No small market teams can afford him, but that’s where this guy needs to go. He won’t have to worry about trivial things like competing or winning. He can just float around in his own world in empty stadiums. But hey, at least he wouldn’t have to play 3rd base!! And you know what? Those pesky cold October nights when the idiot players on winning teams are playing are just horrible!! It’s just so chilly!! Burrrrrrrr….

    • umrguy42 - Dec 7, 2011 at 4:34 PM

      “He can just float around in his own world in empty stadiums.” Isn’t that what he’s doing in Miami?

  10. canucks18 - Dec 7, 2011 at 4:25 PM

    Burgandy you’re a racist piece of shit… The rest of you need to zip it… Do any of you know what is “truly” going on? That’s right …. You DON’T!!!

    • djpostl - Dec 7, 2011 at 4:29 PM

      Zip it yourself Canuck. This part of the internet is devoted to baseball, what’s your maple syrup drinkin’, dogsled driving, moose “lovin'” butt doing here anyway? =P

    • b7p19 - Dec 7, 2011 at 4:32 PM

      What do you mean by what is “truly” going on? Are you saying that Hanley is actually super excited about his position change and has been looking forward to giving up his spot on the team to a fine player/person like Reyes? Yeah, i’ll buy that.

    • cur68 - Dec 7, 2011 at 5:49 PM

      Ramirez has made no public comments himself. This stuff is all speculation. The last word, from Mota, his agent, indicates that Ramirez has said nothing at all about his contract. Until someone from the Marlins comes forward to refute that, its all just more random ad hominem crap being said about Ramirez. The people saying it reveal more about themselves than there is any reflection on Hanley Ramirez. Buncha trash IMO.

      • cur68 - Dec 7, 2011 at 5:50 PM

        Correction: “Mota” not “Mora”.

  11. dlevalley - Dec 7, 2011 at 4:26 PM

    The HBT boards are usually better than this. A LOT better. I’m usually a big fan of free speech and all, but wouldn’t mind seeing this comment deleted.

    • Matthew Pouliot - Dec 7, 2011 at 4:29 PM

      It’s already been deleted, with a harsh warning to the author.

      Back to baseball, please.

    • dlevalley - Dec 7, 2011 at 4:30 PM

      Oops, looks like the mod beat me too it. Feel free to delete my comment too.

      On topic: I wonder what Hanley’s trade value would be? Can’t imagine it would be too high, considering bad year/hefty contract/attitude issues… That being said, he would likely immediately become the most attractive ss on the market (or maybe equal to j-roll). Interesting to see what the Marlins will get if they actually trade him.

    • thefalcon123 - Dec 7, 2011 at 4:32 PM

      Hey, it was!

      For those wondering, some reprehensible d-bag decided to join the conversation with a racial epithet, presumably taking a break from smoking his meth (do you smoke meth? I’m such a square) and beating his spouse. Don’t worry everybody, I’m sure the ignorant douchebag will be punched in the mouth after being cut off at the local watering hole at some point tonight.

      • baseballisboring - Dec 7, 2011 at 5:08 PM

        hey…a little meth never hurt anyone. totally against racism though.

      • koufaxmitzvah - Dec 7, 2011 at 5:10 PM

        You sure he’s got a spouse to beat? I see racist scumbags as total losers and loners who simply beat themselves.

  12. letsgodebts - Dec 7, 2011 at 4:29 PM


    Hanley would fit in nicely at Citi. The 46.5M over three years is a bargain compared to Reyes. Worth it to throw in a psychologist if he needs it.

    Reel him in.

    • djpostl - Dec 7, 2011 at 4:35 PM

      Wow, you are brave. Someone actually asking for that drama? Godspeed young man!

      • letsgodebts - Dec 7, 2011 at 4:39 PM

        Brave and serious.

    • b7p19 - Dec 7, 2011 at 4:36 PM

      That would be funny as hell. If the Mets end up getting the better player for less money and less years I will laugh, and laugh, and laugh at the New York Media.

  13. randygnyc - Dec 7, 2011 at 4:34 PM

    It’s understandable that hanley’s feelings are hurt, but to ask for more money? For what? Your recent stats? Your leadership? Your team loyalty. If I was the fish, I’d trade him to Pittsburg or Kansas city, BY THE END OF BUSINESS TODAY!

  14. slammincamnewton - Dec 7, 2011 at 4:34 PM

    That’s fine, go ahead and clear a spot for him in Philly, let Jimmy walk.

  15. tomtravis76 - Dec 7, 2011 at 4:36 PM

    It seems like a simple move and he is being paid alot of money to play baseball. But when he signed his contract he was the shortstop,he was the face of the franchise, now he is told he has to move and Reyes is the star. Yes, it is a team sport, but it is professional team sports, these guys are not kids. If the Marlins no longer want Hanley to play SS and he is not open to being apart of the new direction, then trade him, the Marlins are just as guilty in not living up to the contract that both parties signed.

    The Marlins can get some good stuff in return for Hanley. Don’t make this the story of their off-season. The Marlins have alot of new stuff to be excited about, no reason to bring along those who don’t want to be apart of it.

  16. thefalcon123 - Dec 7, 2011 at 4:37 PM

    Dear Hanley:

    Take a deep breath. Relax. You are being asked to move 50 feet to your right on the field. It’s not a big deal. This move actually makes your team better. I know you haven’t really had a chance to be on a winning team before, but from what I understand, it’s pretty great. This is not a slight against you. You’re getting paid a lot of money and have been playing worse. Re-focus and play better. Don’t be a dick about this stuff. Then, you’ll be a free agent and earn tons more money. Everyone will be happier.

    Good Luck!

  17. rhandome - Dec 7, 2011 at 4:40 PM

    Save the outrage for later. A premiere shortstop just suddenly became available. HOLY CRAP! WHERE’S HE GONNA END UP? My Giants can’t afford him I don’t think…

    • rhandome - Dec 7, 2011 at 4:44 PM

      BOOOO! Curse you Buster Olney!

    • djpostl - Dec 7, 2011 at 4:45 PM

      I actually think your Giants might match-up well. Build a package around a non-Cain/Timmy pitcher, add a pitching prospect with some upside etc..and it might get the job done. Marlins need pitching badly. Johnson is recovering from TJ, Volstad, Sanchez and Nolasco have not found the kind of consistency big league clubs had hoped to see from them and so on.

  18. Kyle - Dec 7, 2011 at 5:02 PM

    Olney is a hack.

    • Chip Caray's Eyebrows - Dec 7, 2011 at 5:05 PM

      What’s worse: Buster Olney, or all the people who get up in arms every time some writer throws shit at the wall that you can pretty much guarantee will be proven wrong within the hour?

      • Kyle - Dec 7, 2011 at 5:57 PM

        Let’s call it a tie.

  19. letsgodebts - Dec 7, 2011 at 5:05 PM

    Buster, Buster, Buster:

    Let’s check our sources more carefully next time…

  20. baseballisboring - Dec 7, 2011 at 5:14 PM

    I seriously wonder where these rumors even come from sometimes. Do people just make shit up? Is there a seed of truth and by some twisted game of telephone the rumor turned into that? Are there MLB employees who get a kick out of giving writers false info just to see what happens?

  21. djpostl - Dec 7, 2011 at 5:22 PM

    Because, when I want to get to the heart of the matter and not have to sift through bullshit and pr spin I run right to an agent to find out the truth!

  22. djpostl - Dec 7, 2011 at 5:24 PM

    Lol, never mind the fact that person debunking Olney’s report is Ken Rosenthal. Not like that guy has been wrong the vast majority of the time or anything.

  23. cur68 - Dec 7, 2011 at 6:08 PM

    Well, big surprise. Mota, Ramirez’s agent is backed up by Marlins president David Samson: Hanley Ramirez never said anything about his contract. Buster Olney, WTF…

  24. canowack - Dec 7, 2011 at 6:18 PM

    Please have a reunion with the Red Sox…please please Hanley…I’m begging you!

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