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Wait, the Phillies are interested in Gio Gonzalez?

Dec 7, 2011, 8:40 AM EDT

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From the “let’s remember that we hear all kinds of crazy things at the Winter Meetings and a lot of it is baloney” files, Ken Rosenthal says that the Phillies — the Phillies! — are among the many teams with an interest in trading for Gio Gonzalez.

Because obviously the Phillies (a) need the pitching; and (b) have tons of prospects to deal. Yup.

The apparent reasoning for the interest:

The addition of Gonzalez would give the Phils the depth to trade left-hander Cole Hamels — give them or a ready-made replacement if Hamels leaves as a free agent after next season.

Setting aside the fact that all of the six old dudes hanging around the media room right now think this is the best joke of the morning, the fact is that you can only push off your “we must have a second elite lefty starter in the fold but paying for his contract extension is gonna really hurt” problems off so far.

Find a way to lock up Hamels, Ruben. You’ll be happier you did.

  1. Jonny 5 - Dec 7, 2011 at 8:51 AM

    “Find a way to lock up Hamels, Ruben. You’ll be happier you did.”

    ^ ^ ^ ^

    A slight of hand and BAM! he moved in on a big FA while nobody expected it.

    They had him once upon a time, and now they want him back? This is probably no more than Amaro doing his due diligence as any GM should.

    • Francisco (FC) - Dec 7, 2011 at 8:55 AM

      I have this image of Ruben in his PJs and a straight-jacket muttering: “Need. More. Pitching.”

      • drmonkeyarmy - Dec 7, 2011 at 8:57 AM

        Yes, it is his never ending quest to have a 6 man rotation filled with Cy Young candidates and every position player in his mid 30’s.

      • Jonny 5 - Dec 7, 2011 at 9:10 AM

        LOL!! This isn’t going to happen.

    • Jonny 5 - Dec 7, 2011 at 12:09 PM

      Word has it discussions involve Dom Brown….

      • Utley's Hair - Dec 7, 2011 at 4:10 PM

        Dom Brown is talking to the As about getting Gio Gonzalez?

  2. drmonkeyarmy - Dec 7, 2011 at 8:51 AM

    RAJ is out of control. Listen, just resign Rollins and lock up Hamels and call it an off season. I’m sure the Phillies would also like to sign Albert and CJ Wilson on the cheap but that isn’t going to happen either.

  3. Francisco (FC) - Dec 7, 2011 at 8:53 AM

    If the Phillies hadn’t traded for Freddy Garcia (who sucked big time in ’06) He’d already BE in Philly. Of course who knows how the rest of the decade would have transpired…

    • Francisco (FC) - Dec 7, 2011 at 8:53 AM

      No, sorry, the trade itself was in ’06, he sucked in ’07

      • drmonkeyarmy - Dec 7, 2011 at 8:55 AM

        RAJ would have traded him at some later point in time anyway. The guy can’t help himself.

      • Francisco (FC) - Dec 7, 2011 at 8:56 AM

        And then signed him back amirite?

  4. illbringdabeers - Dec 7, 2011 at 8:53 AM

    There’s no way on earth that RAJ let’s Cole walk or trades him. Let’s be realistic right now. That is never going to happen. He’s getting a long term deal

  5. jwbiii - Dec 7, 2011 at 9:00 AM

    If Beane wants Montero and Betances/Bellorin from the Yankees, what would he want from the Philies? The Phillies’ top prospects just aren’t that good.

    • jwbiii - Dec 7, 2011 at 9:06 AM

      Should be “Betances/Banuelos.”

    • CJ - Dec 7, 2011 at 9:18 AM

      They’d probably ask for their entire AA team, lol.

  6. illcomm - Dec 7, 2011 at 9:01 AM

    Hamels is a great picter, but not worth the long term commitment. His injury past and his undersized body for 200+ innings a year is very risky. Gio is the safer bet and cheaper option. Give em brown and galvis. Then overpay for rollins and call it a day.

    • Jonny 5 - Dec 7, 2011 at 9:08 AM

      Injury past? undersized? What are you smoking? Overpay??? Give them Brown And Galvis??? Alright you’re kidding. I get it.

      • paperlions - Dec 7, 2011 at 9:39 AM

        No, he’s not kidding….he also thinks StL is in Illinois.

  7. drunkenhooliganism - Dec 7, 2011 at 9:06 AM

    Maybe we can’t afford Hamels because we signed a cancerous loser with declining stuff to close games

    • drmonkeyarmy - Dec 7, 2011 at 9:11 AM

      Are we going to have to listen to the bashing of Pappelbon for the next 5 years?

      • phukyouk - Dec 7, 2011 at 9:16 AM

        5 with an option :-)

        sorry… couldn’t resist

      • Francisco (FC) - Dec 7, 2011 at 9:30 AM

        No it’s 4 years with a 5th year option (but the vesting requirements are easily attainable, so we figure he’ll go all 5 years barring a freakish injury).

      • Kevin S. - Dec 7, 2011 at 9:40 AM

        No, we’re not going to rag on the Papsmear at all.

        Why do you ask?

      • drunkenhooliganism - Dec 7, 2011 at 9:41 AM

        Probably not. Either he’ll prove me right and I’ll stop caring about the team until he’s gone or he’ll prove me wrong and I’ll still dislike him but I’ll stfu about it and tolerate him.

    • siftin thru nonsense - Dec 7, 2011 at 9:52 AM

      Papelbon’s stuff improved last yr actually. Almost all his numbers improved. K/9, bb/9,etc. Has ridiculously good stuff. Should be fine esp now that he won’t face DH’s. His season didnt end well last yr, but I think he will get it done. Outstanding K/BB and has done it in the past. His stuff hasn’t declined.

      • Francisco (FC) - Dec 7, 2011 at 10:34 AM

        He still won’t face pitchers though (if he’s closing you can bet a bench guy is coming to pinch hit) but I agree a bench guy in theory should be an easier out than a DH.

  8. illcomm - Dec 7, 2011 at 9:13 AM

    He weighs a buck seventy five. Has been on the DL with three shoulder issues and two or three elbow issues. Johan santana? Brown isn’t needed and is still a year away. Galvis is an excellent defender, but he will never bat above .275.

    • drmonkeyarmy - Dec 7, 2011 at 9:21 AM

      I think he has been on the 15 DL twice in his career. Once in 2007 with an elbow strain and once last season with shoulder fatigue. So, yeah you are pretty much full of shit.

      • bigxrob - Dec 7, 2011 at 9:27 AM

        “yeah you are pretty much full of shit”

        You are stating the obvious DMA

      • phillyphreak - Dec 7, 2011 at 9:41 AM

        Yea this is the same stuff that one commenter on Philly.com says all the time about Hamels. Kinda lame.

      • jwbiii - Dec 7, 2011 at 10:03 AM

        Injuries? The usual wear and tear stuff and a couple of batted balls. The lower back issue would be cause for concern, but that hasn’t caused him to miss any time since spring 2006, which makes it less of a cause for concern. Other sources list his weight as 195.

        http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=HAMELS19831227A

  9. illcomm - Dec 7, 2011 at 9:40 AM

    Hamels been in the DL officially three times. 2006 for shoulder, 2007 for elbow, 2011 for shoulder, let’s also mention he didn’t start opening day in 2009 becuase of elbow issues and went to see Dr Andrews and ended up having a plus 4 ERA that year. He also had degenerative disc problems unjust back.

    • drmonkeyarmy - Dec 7, 2011 at 9:45 AM

      You don’t think the fact that he throw around 70 more innings in 2008 than he had the previous season had anything to do with his subpar 2009? Or the fact that the league was catching up to the fact that he was a 2 pitch pitcher? He has made 30+ starts in each of the past 4 seasons. Durability should not be an issue with Hamels any more so than it is with any other pitcher.

      • Kevin S. - Dec 7, 2011 at 10:09 AM

        Actually, he got ridiculously unlucky on balls in play in 2009. No, seriously. Go look at his numbers. He was identical in each peripheral I could find. Every. Single. One. K/9, BB/9, HR/9, GB%, FB%, LD%, HR/FB, Pitch Velocity, Pitch movement… I mean, literally nothing changed except for a lot more balls falling in for hits. He’s the poster child for DIPS theory.

      • Francisco (FC) - Dec 7, 2011 at 11:27 AM

        More like Ridiculously lucky in 2008. While a 2009 .317 BABIP is unlucky, the 2008 .259 BABIP was unsustainable and resulting pendulum swing was brutal. Still though he has a career .280 BABIP, nobody gets lucky for that long. I know there’s a specific case for Kuckleballers having naturally low BABIP but Hamels is not a Knuckleballer, any idea other than saying he’s been very fortunate as to why (except for 2009) his BABIP hovers around .280?

    • phillyphreak - Dec 7, 2011 at 9:47 AM

      But his FIP/xFIP were both under 4 in 2009. And that also came off of a year where he pitched into the World Series and he admitted that his offseason program wasn’t that great.

      http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Cole-Hamels-thinks-his-offseason-may-be-holding-?urn=mlb-157959

      The IP concern is unfounded too. IP from 2008-2011: 227, 193, 208, 216.

      • Jonny 5 - Dec 7, 2011 at 10:50 AM

        Ok, he can’t read “innings pitched” from a stats chart. He can’t read “weight”. And you want to bring up FIP and xFIP? BWAHAHAHAHAAAA!!! I love you Phreak. You’re literally trying to assplode the man’s head aren’t you???

  10. mojosmagic - Dec 7, 2011 at 9:49 AM

    Didn’t the Phils draft Gonzalez and trade him to Oakland for Blanton? Next time Beane calls hang up.

    And wasn’t the line in Moneyball Billy saying;
    “Get me Ed Wade on the phone”.

    • drmonkeyarmy - Dec 7, 2011 at 10:04 AM

      No, Gonzalez came to the Phillies organization when they traded Thome to the White Sox.

    • drmonkeyarmy - Dec 7, 2011 at 10:04 AM

      No, Gonzalez came to the Phillies organization when they traded Thome to the White Sox.

  11. ryballa22 - Dec 7, 2011 at 11:08 AM

    It would be great to keep Cole but maybe they have something BIG up their sleeve. I would sure hope so if they’re considering moving him. Gio is good so you can’t be upset if he ends up being a consolation prize if Hamels goes via trade or free agency. I think they need to make a move on Hanley Ramirez. J-Roll ain’t worth a 5 yr deal. Period.

    • CJ - Dec 7, 2011 at 11:58 AM

      so you’re think that the Phillies will give up prospects for Gio, and trade for prospects for Hamels, just so they can flip those for HanRam to replace Rollins?

      They could keep their prospects and resign Cole and Rollins and come out ahead. HanRam makes a boatload and Gio will to when his Arb is u in a cuople years. Maybe even more than Cole, who knows. That’s jsut delaying the inevitable.

      I’ve seen this one with Lee/Halladay, I don’t need to wonder how that’ll end.

      • CJ - Dec 7, 2011 at 12:00 PM

        EDIT! times like 5.

  12. illcomm - Dec 7, 2011 at 12:18 PM

    It’s about this year though. luxury cap is 176. Gio is ultra cheap compared to hamels 15-20 per. hamlet is offensive upgrade over rollins at almost same price. rollins isn’t the top of the order bat anymore. either way u look at it. phils need a proven leadoff guy than can steal bases. Reyes was that guy. so phils will have to make more moves to secure that.

    • CJ - Dec 7, 2011 at 12:26 PM

      but there isn’t one of those available anywhere that’s better than what they have in Victorino (who happens to be Hawaiian, just in case you didn’t know). They weren’t getting Reyes and there’s not a true leadoff guy out there anymore at any position (Rollins included), let alone a position of need.

  13. illcomm - Dec 7, 2011 at 12:35 PM

    Victorino is a two hole hitter, not a leadoff hitter. If my choice wad rollins or Victorino leading off. I would pick rollins. his.numbers leading off r much better than shane. I still think neither one of them r true leadoff guys.

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