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	<title>Comments on: Albert Pujols and how the best players ever through age 31 performed from age 32 on</title>
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		<title>By: modman11957</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 16:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BS thats all I read in ur post.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BS thats all I read in ur post.</p>
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		<title>By: modman11957</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 15:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Drafted low? Doubts about age? Questioning age? When and why did falso carmona lye about his age? How do I know when or why albert parents lied? Some speculation he lied for school reasons. Do we even know albert&#039;s real name? Maybe FAUSTO HERIDIA.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drafted low? Doubts about age? Questioning age? When and why did falso carmona lye about his age? How do I know when or why albert parents lied? Some speculation he lied for school reasons. Do we even know albert&#8217;s real name? Maybe FAUSTO HERIDIA.</p>
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		<title>By: modman11957</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 15:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s funny that someone who questions roger&#039;s hat size accuse someone else of slander.again this is not england,my questioning a players integrity in the roid era is resonable as opposed to someone insinuating maris was on roids in 61.shame.u take this much too serious.but a do appreciate u helping make my argument.





































Roids explain a lot.we don&#039;t know who is using,braun? Clean players could have protected their reps by speaking up about cheaters and demanding testing. They didn&#039;t now they suffer the consequences.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s funny that someone who questions roger&#8217;s hat size accuse someone else of slander.again this is not england,my questioning a players integrity in the roid era is resonable as opposed to someone insinuating maris was on roids in 61.shame.u take this much too serious.but a do appreciate u helping make my argument.</p>
<p>Roids explain a lot.we don&#8217;t know who is using,braun? Clean players could have protected their reps by speaking up about cheaters and demanding testing. They didn&#8217;t now they suffer the consequences.</p>
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		<title>By: modman11957</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/08/albert-pujols-and-how-the-best-players-ever-through-age-31-performed-from-age-32-on/comment-page-1/#comment-250040</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 15:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It doesn&#039;t matter where he ranked against fellow players,a decline is a comparison against ur own past.most o the points u make are meaningless or support my argument ,thanks]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter where he ranked against fellow players,a decline is a comparison against ur own past.most o the points u make are meaningless or support my argument ,thanks</p>
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		<title>By: modman11957</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 15:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Roids explain a lot.we don&#039;t know who is using,braun? Clean players could have protected their reps by speaking up about cheaters and demanding testing. They didn&#039;t now they suffer the consequences.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roids explain a lot.we don&#8217;t know who is using,braun? Clean players could have protected their reps by speaking up about cheaters and demanding testing. They didn&#8217;t now they suffer the consequences.</p>
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		<title>By: modman11957</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/08/albert-pujols-and-how-the-best-players-ever-through-age-31-performed-from-age-32-on/comment-page-1/#comment-250037</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 15:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think u get it.i don&#039;t hate ap,just think he&#039;s a lying cheater.this is not england I can express my opinion.again your sabermetrics argument supports my position about age.bill james does state a player hits his prime at about 27.   AP should still be good at 34 and declining.thanks for making my point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think u get it.i don&#8217;t hate ap,just think he&#8217;s a lying cheater.this is not england I can express my opinion.again your sabermetrics argument supports my position about age.bill james does state a player hits his prime at about 27.   AP should still be good at 34 and declining.thanks for making my point.</p>
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		<title>By: Reflex</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 08:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lets address more of your BS here -

1) Sabermetrics does not addresss age.  Sabermetrics is a methodology for reading and understanding stats and valuing them appropriatly.  Whether a player is 25, 35 or 70 is not relevant to using sabermetric analysis on their value as a player.

2) A player&#039;s prime is considered to be between the ages of 26-31.  This is an average, however, not a hard and fast rule.  A LOT of players are great at younger or older ages even if they had mediocre &#039;prime&#039; years.  Thats why its an &#039;average&#039;, that means it describes where *most* but not all players had thier best seasons.  Lots and lots of players had their best seasons before their prime(Griffey, Dale Murphy, etc), and lots and lots of players had their best seasons *after* their prime(Edgar Martinez, Jamie Moyer), and lots of them got a late start but produced well during their Prime and after(Nelson Cruz, Jose Bautista).  Its not a hard rule and there are as many players who fall outside of it as inside of it because its just an average.

3) If Albert&#039;s in decline its one hell of a decline phase.  Aside from two months and a broken thumb last year he raked with the best of them and damn near carried his team into the playoffs.  He&#039;s remarkably consistent and has been since he entered the league ten years ago.  If you think this is a decline, geez, I&#039;d hate to see what you think his prime years should have looked like.

4) Now as for the age thing, all I can say is how the hell did his parents fake his age and somehow know he was going to be a MLB superstar when he was just a kid and not a baseball prospect in the slightest?  Are they psychic?  I mean really, he wasn&#039;t even drafted his first time through!  What did such fakery ever gain him?  And given that, if he really were &#039;35&#039; or whatever, then the last few seasons have been some of the greatest seasons ever by someone of that age.  I mean holy hell is he one heck of a ballplayer to hit like he does with good defense in his mid-30&#039;s.  Only the true legends of the game ever pulled that off.

Look, I understand that you&#039;ve tossed rationality aside in order to be dedicated to hating a man you&#039;ve never met and never will, but seriously could you lay off the slander?  Just think of how you&#039;d feel if someone spread things like this about you in your life and career.  Do unto others and all that...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets address more of your BS here -</p>
<p>1) Sabermetrics does not addresss age.  Sabermetrics is a methodology for reading and understanding stats and valuing them appropriatly.  Whether a player is 25, 35 or 70 is not relevant to using sabermetric analysis on their value as a player.</p>
<p>2) A player&#8217;s prime is considered to be between the ages of 26-31.  This is an average, however, not a hard and fast rule.  A LOT of players are great at younger or older ages even if they had mediocre &#8216;prime&#8217; years.  Thats why its an &#8216;average&#8217;, that means it describes where *most* but not all players had thier best seasons.  Lots and lots of players had their best seasons before their prime(Griffey, Dale Murphy, etc), and lots and lots of players had their best seasons *after* their prime(Edgar Martinez, Jamie Moyer), and lots of them got a late start but produced well during their Prime and after(Nelson Cruz, Jose Bautista).  Its not a hard rule and there are as many players who fall outside of it as inside of it because its just an average.</p>
<p>3) If Albert&#8217;s in decline its one hell of a decline phase.  Aside from two months and a broken thumb last year he raked with the best of them and damn near carried his team into the playoffs.  He&#8217;s remarkably consistent and has been since he entered the league ten years ago.  If you think this is a decline, geez, I&#8217;d hate to see what you think his prime years should have looked like.</p>
<p>4) Now as for the age thing, all I can say is how the hell did his parents fake his age and somehow know he was going to be a MLB superstar when he was just a kid and not a baseball prospect in the slightest?  Are they psychic?  I mean really, he wasn&#8217;t even drafted his first time through!  What did such fakery ever gain him?  And given that, if he really were &#8217;35&#8242; or whatever, then the last few seasons have been some of the greatest seasons ever by someone of that age.  I mean holy hell is he one heck of a ballplayer to hit like he does with good defense in his mid-30&#8242;s.  Only the true legends of the game ever pulled that off.</p>
<p>Look, I understand that you&#8217;ve tossed rationality aside in order to be dedicated to hating a man you&#8217;ve never met and never will, but seriously could you lay off the slander?  Just think of how you&#8217;d feel if someone spread things like this about you in your life and career.  Do unto others and all that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: modman11957</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 06:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Happy belated 35th birthday albert.nice seeing u at the white house. What usa only good enuff to play ball in?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happy belated 35th birthday albert.nice seeing u at the white house. What usa only good enuff to play ball in?</p>
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		<title>By: modman11957</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 06:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I did sight faults in ur argument apparently u didn&#039;t read.too many of ur examples were roid era.i also had others statements about older era players that countered ur assertion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did sight faults in ur argument apparently u didn&#8217;t read.too many of ur examples were roid era.i also had others statements about older era players that countered ur assertion.</p>
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		<title>By: modman11957</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 06:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Again u fail to address my counterpoints.stating something over and over does not make it so.sabermetrics does address age,players on average start their peak around 27 , they don&#039;t start their decline at 27 like albert aka falso carmona.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again u fail to address my counterpoints.stating something over and over does not make it so.sabermetrics does address age,players on average start their peak around 27 , they don&#8217;t start their decline at 27 like albert aka falso carmona.</p>
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		<title>By: Reflex</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 09:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Its debunked because counter examples were demonstrated that you could not explain away.  Lots of players have historically had power surges at young ages, and faded as they aged.  Dale Murphy.  Was he juicing?  Seriously, what malarky.

And learn Sabermetrics.  It says no such thing.  Hell, &#039;it&#039; dosen&#039;t even speak to this type of discussion as &#039;it&#039; is simply a methodology.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its debunked because counter examples were demonstrated that you could not explain away.  Lots of players have historically had power surges at young ages, and faded as they aged.  Dale Murphy.  Was he juicing?  Seriously, what malarky.</p>
<p>And learn Sabermetrics.  It says no such thing.  Hell, &#8216;it&#8217; dosen&#8217;t even speak to this type of discussion as &#8216;it&#8217; is simply a methodology.</p>
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		<title>By: Reflex</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 09:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Its not an attack.  The point is that abberrations happen.  Lots of players have outlier seasons, thats what the term outlier means.  Roger Maris alone proves that a player can have an outlandish season every so often.  Lots of other players had great careers and peaked early and were washed up by their 30&#039;s.  Dale Murphy, Andruw Jones....

And btw, steroids existed and were used by professional athletes in the 60&#039;s, and its well documented.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its not an attack.  The point is that abberrations happen.  Lots of players have outlier seasons, thats what the term outlier means.  Roger Maris alone proves that a player can have an outlandish season every so often.  Lots of other players had great careers and peaked early and were washed up by their 30&#8242;s.  Dale Murphy, Andruw Jones&#8230;.</p>
<p>And btw, steroids existed and were used by professional athletes in the 60&#8242;s, and its well documented.</p>
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		<title>By: modman11957</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 18:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Attacking someone who played in an era with no evidence or suspicion of steroid use is ludicrous]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Attacking someone who played in an era with no evidence or suspicion of steroid use is ludicrous</p>
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		<title>By: modman11957</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 08:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There certainly is something unusual about a power surge at a young age.check out a new thing called sabermatics u may not have heard of it ,it&#039;s only been around about 40 years]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There certainly is something unusual about a power surge at a young age.check out a new thing called sabermatics u may not have heard of it ,it&#8217;s only been around about 40 years</p>
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		<title>By: modman11957</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 08:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The fact that u say it&#039;s debunked doesn&#039;t make it so.this isn&#039;t star trek and ur not capt. whoever.u have explained a single point I made.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that u say it&#8217;s debunked doesn&#8217;t make it so.this isn&#8217;t star trek and ur not capt. whoever.u have explained a single point I made.</p>
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		<title>By: Reflex</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 13:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your dismissing the fact that your point has been debunked.  Lots of players had serious power surges at young ages.  Some sustained it, some did not.  Some declined a bit but were still excellent.  There is nothing inherently suspicious about a power surge at a young age, that was my point and it stands, regardless of how much you move the goal posts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your dismissing the fact that your point has been debunked.  Lots of players had serious power surges at young ages.  Some sustained it, some did not.  Some declined a bit but were still excellent.  There is nothing inherently suspicious about a power surge at a young age, that was my point and it stands, regardless of how much you move the goal posts.</p>
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		<title>By: modman11957</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Dec 2011 15:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also I didn&#039;t say u couldn&#039;t have power at a young age .I said he had a power surge at a young age he averaged 8 homers a year more in that 4 year span than he did in his other 7 years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also I didn&#8217;t say u couldn&#8217;t have power at a young age .I said he had a power surge at a young age he averaged 8 homers a year more in that 4 year span than he did in his other 7 years.</p>
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		<title>By: modman11957</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Dec 2011 15:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joe D had one year that kinda sticks out.but he also played very few full season after that one year.don&#039;t really know all the details of his career I would assume he was injured also had war years during his peak.his power numbers look very odd do not really know what happened to his power.he did have one other year with fewer homers but comprable slugging number.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe D had one year that kinda sticks out.but he also played very few full season after that one year.don&#8217;t really know all the details of his career I would assume he was injured also had war years during his peak.his power numbers look very odd do not really know what happened to his power.he did have one other year with fewer homers but comprable slugging number.</p>
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		<title>By: modman11957</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Dec 2011 15:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Griffey power surge lasted 8 yrs not 4 yrs.griffey is not the best argument for your point.he played in the steroid era and in my opinion everyone is suspect including junior.foxx was traded during his home run power surge which may have affected his numbers.also he was 24 when his numbers increased.2 years make a big difference.it&#039;s supposed ap is 3 years older in which case ap numbers look perfectly normal.robby.s hr max of 50 came much later in his career.thomas,steroid era.didn&#039;t check joe d&#039;s numbers yet.I suppose u have something to support that bb didn&#039;t juice also.just don&#039;t use people from the era in question to support your argument.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Griffey power surge lasted 8 yrs not 4 yrs.griffey is not the best argument for your point.he played in the steroid era and in my opinion everyone is suspect including junior.foxx was traded during his home run power surge which may have affected his numbers.also he was 24 when his numbers increased.2 years make a big difference.it&#8217;s supposed ap is 3 years older in which case ap numbers look perfectly normal.robby.s hr max of 50 came much later in his career.thomas,steroid era.didn&#8217;t check joe d&#8217;s numbers yet.I suppose u have something to support that bb didn&#8217;t juice also.just don&#8217;t use people from the era in question to support your argument.</p>
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		<title>By: bbk1000</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bbk1000]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Dec 2011 23:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s a bit different comparing someone born in the early 1900&#039;s in Maryland than somebody born in the 1980&#039;s in a place known as the steroid capital of the world......go back to bed....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a bit different comparing someone born in the early 1900&#8242;s in Maryland than somebody born in the 1980&#8242;s in a place known as the steroid capital of the world&#8230;&#8230;go back to bed&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Reflex</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Reflex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 18:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1) You mean like Joe DiMaggio, Jimmie Foxx, Miguel Cabrera and Frank Robinson, who all had similiar career arcs?  Were they all juicing too?  How about from the modern era, Griffey Jr. and Frank Thomas?  Are only juicers and liars about age able to have power at a young age?

2) Would you appreciate someone accusing you of fraud at your job with no actual proof?  What if their only evidence was that you were &#039;too good at your job for your age&#039;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) You mean like Joe DiMaggio, Jimmie Foxx, Miguel Cabrera and Frank Robinson, who all had similiar career arcs?  Were they all juicing too?  How about from the modern era, Griffey Jr. and Frank Thomas?  Are only juicers and liars about age able to have power at a young age?</p>
<p>2) Would you appreciate someone accusing you of fraud at your job with no actual proof?  What if their only evidence was that you were &#8216;too good at your job for your age&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>By: modman11957</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 16:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Couldn&#039;t agree more tat ap was juiced or older than he said.how else do you explain his  4 year power surge at such a young age.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couldn&#8217;t agree more tat ap was juiced or older than he said.how else do you explain his  4 year power surge at such a young age.</p>
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		<title>By: modman11957</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[modman11957]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 04:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I suppose pre 80&#039;s pitchers like feller who was crudley timed at 107 would dispute the statement that they didn&#039;t have good stuff.post 80&#039;s pithers like maddux and cliff lee might dispute the statement that stuff makes great pitchers.pre 80&#039;s pitchers knew the craft of pitching.the argument that the talent pool was smaller years ago don&#039;t understand sports.any good athlete years ago had only one choice baseball they couldn&#039;t go to another sport like football if they wanted to make money i.e. bo jackson.the number of boys playing the sport doesn&#039;t matter it&#039;s how many make baseball thier priority.if the number of people playing a sport mattered the u.s would be the soccer king of the world.more kids play soccer in the u.s than probably any other country but it&#039;s not thier rop priority.pitching is more of a craft than athletic endeavor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose pre 80&#8242;s pitchers like feller who was crudley timed at 107 would dispute the statement that they didn&#8217;t have good stuff.post 80&#8242;s pithers like maddux and cliff lee might dispute the statement that stuff makes great pitchers.pre 80&#8242;s pitchers knew the craft of pitching.the argument that the talent pool was smaller years ago don&#8217;t understand sports.any good athlete years ago had only one choice baseball they couldn&#8217;t go to another sport like football if they wanted to make money i.e. bo jackson.the number of boys playing the sport doesn&#8217;t matter it&#8217;s how many make baseball thier priority.if the number of people playing a sport mattered the u.s would be the soccer king of the world.more kids play soccer in the u.s than probably any other country but it&#8217;s not thier rop priority.pitching is more of a craft than athletic endeavor.</p>
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		<title>By: Reflex</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Reflex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 18:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The second part of your sentence does not match the first.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The second part of your sentence does not match the first.</p>
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		<title>By: bbk1000</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/08/albert-pujols-and-how-the-best-players-ever-through-age-31-performed-from-age-32-on/comment-page-1/#comment-236074</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bbk1000]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 11:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[naaa, just Pujols...well and Ryan Braun....like I said, I think most of them are on something....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>naaa, just Pujols&#8230;well and Ryan Braun&#8230;.like I said, I think most of them are on something&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Reflex</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/08/albert-pujols-and-how-the-best-players-ever-through-age-31-performed-from-age-32-on/comment-page-1/#comment-233469</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Reflex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 04:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, him and that Griffey kid.  Clearly juicers.  And did you see that out of the blue 61HR season that Maris put up?  He never hit like that before or after.  I wonder what his hat size was in 1960 compared to 1961.  And nobody stays as awesome as long as Hammerin&#039; Hank.  Clearly he was on some chemical assistance if you catch my drift...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, him and that Griffey kid.  Clearly juicers.  And did you see that out of the blue 61HR season that Maris put up?  He never hit like that before or after.  I wonder what his hat size was in 1960 compared to 1961.  And nobody stays as awesome as long as Hammerin&#8217; Hank.  Clearly he was on some chemical assistance if you catch my drift&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bbk1000</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bbk1000]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 22:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Pujols debuted on April 2, 2001 after surprisingly making the team out of spring training as a 21-year-old with just three games of experience above Single-A and performed at an MVP-level for 11 straight seasons.&quot;

I think there is something helping this guy, always have and always will. Seeing this makes me more comfortable with this belief. 

The recent past history of sports in general perhaps has tainted me, time will tell.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Pujols debuted on April 2, 2001 after surprisingly making the team out of spring training as a 21-year-old with just three games of experience above Single-A and performed at an MVP-level for 11 straight seasons.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think there is something helping this guy, always have and always will. Seeing this makes me more comfortable with this belief. </p>
<p>The recent past history of sports in general perhaps has tainted me, time will tell.</p>
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		<title>By: anotheryx</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anotheryx]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 19:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Home grown talent has no relevancy in FA value discussion. Draft picks have their own set of cost which are not included in FA where you just pay salary. Draft picks have opportunity cost (you can only draft so many people per year, especially high picks), development cost (they provide minimal and often negative overall value while in the minors), and uncertainty cost (the success rate of draft pick is nowhere comparable to that of FA, where you generally know what you are getting).

Everyone would rather have Longoria and his contract than A-Rod and his, but it&#039;s not really a possibility.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Home grown talent has no relevancy in FA value discussion. Draft picks have their own set of cost which are not included in FA where you just pay salary. Draft picks have opportunity cost (you can only draft so many people per year, especially high picks), development cost (they provide minimal and often negative overall value while in the minors), and uncertainty cost (the success rate of draft pick is nowhere comparable to that of FA, where you generally know what you are getting).</p>
<p>Everyone would rather have Longoria and his contract than A-Rod and his, but it&#8217;s not really a possibility.</p>
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		<title>By: anotheryx</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anotheryx]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 19:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At 2001 level the $/WAR is about 3.2mil. Assume everyone got the same deal as Pujols at then value, that&#039;s 160/10. 

Guess what, they all worth 160/10, every single one of them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At 2001 level the $/WAR is about 3.2mil. Assume everyone got the same deal as Pujols at then value, that&#8217;s 160/10. </p>
<p>Guess what, they all worth 160/10, every single one of them.</p>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paperlions]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 19:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kevin, the problem is that FA is not the only place to find players.  Bad farm systems generate players that are 2 WAR or better on a regular basis...and those guys get paid squat...if you are paying a guy $25M above the league minimum to be a 5 WAR player, that is not good value.  Trumbo was a 2.3 WAR player last year as a 25 yr old rookie that hit into bad luck (.274 BABIP).  He is projected to be about a 3 WAR player this year for the bargain basement price of the league minimum.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin, the problem is that FA is not the only place to find players.  Bad farm systems generate players that are 2 WAR or better on a regular basis&#8230;and those guys get paid squat&#8230;if you are paying a guy $25M above the league minimum to be a 5 WAR player, that is not good value.  Trumbo was a 2.3 WAR player last year as a 25 yr old rookie that hit into bad luck (.274 BABIP).  He is projected to be about a 3 WAR player this year for the bargain basement price of the league minimum.</p>
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