Comments on: Tim Raines and 49 other dudes with great Hall of Fame cases http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/12/tim-raines-and-49-other-dudes-with-great-hall-of-fame-cases/ Baseball. Baseball. And then a bit more baseball. Sat, 25 May 2013 16:51:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: raysfan1 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/12/tim-raines-and-49-other-dudes-with-great-hall-of-fame-cases/comment-page-1/#comment-235387 Tue, 13 Dec 2011 04:22:30 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=102846#comment-235387 I’d love the voters for this poll who agreed that Joe Jackson is the best player not in the HoF but still said he doesn’t belong in explain why. It certainly cannot be based on his play. Is it because he took gamblers’ money? Is there solid evidence he threw games? No. Was he grossly underpaid by the team’s owner? Yes. Is the owner, who routinely stiffed his players in the Hall? Yes. As I’ve posted more than once before–who knew that banned for life from baseball meant banned for eternal life from the HoF? Time to forgive “Shoeless” Joe and put him where he belongs–in the Hall.

]]> By: simon94022 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/12/tim-raines-and-49-other-dudes-with-great-hall-of-fame-cases/comment-page-1/#comment-235291 Mon, 12 Dec 2011 23:10:48 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=102846#comment-235291 Raines probably should be in the Hall. But what makes these debates so tedious is that if the standard used is “Candidate X was better than Existing Hall-of-Famer Y” then there will ALWAYS be plenty of deserving HOFers who haven’t got in yet.

Since there are no real objective standards for Hall admission — and maybe there shouldn’t be — it’s hard to understand why anyone gets worked up about this.

]]> By: paulsdamnblog http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/12/tim-raines-and-49-other-dudes-with-great-hall-of-fame-cases/comment-page-1/#comment-235104 Mon, 12 Dec 2011 19:49:38 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=102846#comment-235104 He definitely deserves to be in the Hall. The sad thing for Raines is, in his prime he was on teams that could do no better than to finish 2nd or 3rd in their division. Playing in a city that underappreciated baseball didn’t help either. Makes you wonder what would his career would’ve been like if he played for say the Cardinals, Dodgers or the Mets in the 80′s.

]]> By: philliesblow http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/12/tim-raines-and-49-other-dudes-with-great-hall-of-fame-cases/comment-page-1/#comment-235086 Mon, 12 Dec 2011 19:16:16 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=102846#comment-235086 You should have included another SS in that list:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/557264-hall-of-fame-debate-barry-larkin-vs-alan-trammell

]]> By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/12/tim-raines-and-49-other-dudes-with-great-hall-of-fame-cases/comment-page-1/#comment-234987 Mon, 12 Dec 2011 17:45:07 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=102846#comment-234987 Times on base via walk or hit:

Gwynn – 3141 + 790 = 3931
Raines – 2605 + 1330 = 3935

]]> By: rambodiaz http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/12/tim-raines-and-49-other-dudes-with-great-hall-of-fame-cases/comment-page-1/#comment-234962 Mon, 12 Dec 2011 17:21:06 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=102846#comment-234962 It’s fun to look back on Tim Raines’ career numbers. My goodness, reading Jaffe’s article made me realize how good he really was.

I came onto the baseball scene as a fan in 1987, and had no idea who Tim Raines was until 1988. I missed the best part of his career, but man, it’s nice to be able to look back and see just how special of a career he had.

C’mon, Writers. Enshrine a great player, just as he deserves.

]]> By: Francisco (FC) http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/12/tim-raines-and-49-other-dudes-with-great-hall-of-fame-cases/comment-page-1/#comment-234924 Mon, 12 Dec 2011 16:50:06 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=102846#comment-234924 Speaking of that: Over at The Hardball Times, Chris Jaffe has a good solid case for Tim Raines: Hall of Famer up

But, but, but how many pages does his flyer have?

]]> By: Kyle http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/12/tim-raines-and-49-other-dudes-with-great-hall-of-fame-cases/comment-page-1/#comment-234902 Mon, 12 Dec 2011 16:25:52 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=102846#comment-234902 Tony Gwynn: .371 career wOBA / 10232 PA’s
Tim Raines: .374 career wOBA / 10359 PA’s

]]> By: cur68 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/12/tim-raines-and-49-other-dudes-with-great-hall-of-fame-cases/comment-page-1/#comment-234901 Mon, 12 Dec 2011 16:24:24 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=102846#comment-234901 Like MVP voting, HOF election is a popularity contest. If it were fair, then objective measures wouldn’t generate a fried food + blood stream response. And I was born with pre-angered blood, I’ll have you know…can you go wrong with a Sachel Page quote? I don’t think so.

]]> By: Chris Fiorentino http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/12/tim-raines-and-49-other-dudes-with-great-hall-of-fame-cases/comment-page-1/#comment-234896 Mon, 12 Dec 2011 16:13:24 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=102846#comment-234896 Edgar, Tim, Larkin and Bagwell all deserve to be in the Hall of Fame. It’s frankly a disgrace that they ALL aren’t already in.

]]> By: El Bravo http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/12/tim-raines-and-49-other-dudes-with-great-hall-of-fame-cases/comment-page-1/#comment-234894 Mon, 12 Dec 2011 16:10:26 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=102846#comment-234894 How awesome are the ‘Spos unis? Super awesome.

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