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Mark Melancon is not enough: the Sox are still looking for relievers

Dec 15, 2011, 9:25 AM EDT

Andrew Bailey

The Red Sox traded for Mark Melancon this week, but Buster Olney reports that they’re not done with the pen. In fact, they’re still pursuing other relievers, including Andrew Bailey of the Athletics. No word on Ryan Madson or Darren Oliver, but those are other names that have been discussed.

Makes sense. If last year showed anything, it’s that you can never have enough relief pitching. Bobby Jenks basically punted the whole year and it’s unclear what he’ll be like in 2012. Daniel Bard is being stretched out for the rotation.  Assemble a bunch of arms. As long as you can afford it, it’s a nice luxury to have.

  1. deathmonkey41 - Dec 15, 2011 at 9:33 AM

    They better hope these guys like fried chicken and steroids.

    • bozosforall - Dec 15, 2011 at 9:35 AM

      Barry Bonds is rumored to be pondering a comeback.

  2. bozosforall - Dec 15, 2011 at 9:34 AM

    They can look all they want to but they are still gonna suck next year. No playoffs for you, Boston. LMAO

    • ras1tafari - Dec 15, 2011 at 12:40 PM

      you again.

      Did your mom run off with a guy from Boston, leaving you and daddy home alone in Long Island?

      Or was it that you went to College in Boston, but all the girls thought you were gay, so you left town?

      I just want to understand the Boston hatred. Help me out.

      • bozosforall - Dec 15, 2011 at 12:55 PM

        Come back when you have lines that weren’t used back in the 1950s.

        Consider my Boston bashing as payback for all the years that New Englanders bashed the Yankees (“Yankees Suck” t-shirts, all the ARod and Jeter jokes, etc.)

        What’s the matter, little boi? You can dish it but you can’t take it?

      • aceshigh11 - Dec 15, 2011 at 2:43 PM

        What a pathetic sack of shit you are.

        Yeah, the poor, under-appreciated Yankees…they’ve only played in 37% of all World Series, and won 25% of them.

        What, you can’t put on your big-boy pants and take the inevitable amount of bashing that comes with being the most successful sports franchise in history?

        You’re clearly deranged and need psychiatric treatment before you hurt someone.

      • bozosforall - Dec 15, 2011 at 3:02 PM

        Take the inevitable bashing that comes with being the most successful sports franchise in history? Please, child…

        Tell that to the fans of the supposedly most successful football franchise of the last decade…they have never been able to take “the inevitable amount of bashing” that accompanies that.

        Also, tell that to the fans of the basketball team with the most NBA titles….they have never been able to take “the inevitable amount of bashing” that accompanies that as well.

        Oh wait…maybe you have blinders on when it comes to those particular fans.

        I wonder why.

        And if posting smack talk on blogs on the Internet is considered “clearly deranged” and that someone who does so is in “need of psychiatric treatment before [they] hurt someone”, then you had better take a good long look at the fans of the team that you root for before you start looking at anyone else.

  3. stex52 - Dec 15, 2011 at 9:34 AM

    Continuation of yesterday’s thread. I don’t want anyone to misinterpret my stuff on “contact closer.” I liked Melancon at Houston. He did everything they asekd in a year where it was a miserable job to be a reliever for a bad team. And he did get those 20 saves.

    But I think the stats on a true closer for a team in the AL East are going to have to be a little more stellar than he brings to the table.

    • bozosforall - Dec 15, 2011 at 9:36 AM

      Don’t tell that to the delusional Red Sox fans though.

      • stex52 - Dec 15, 2011 at 9:42 AM

        I think they understand that. And at the same time, I think he was a pretty good acquisition. WHIP is a little above average and ERA is solid. Strikeouts are pretty good. He just fits a different role.

    • pisano - Dec 15, 2011 at 9:39 AM

      It couldn’t happen to a more deserving organization. Keep searching for that closer!

    • cktai - Dec 15, 2011 at 9:51 AM

      The NL Central had 3 of the top 10 offences in baseball by OPS, that is despite the fact they have no DH. The AL East only has 2, and Melancon will be playing for one of those.

      • bozosforall - Dec 15, 2011 at 11:12 AM

        Pujols is in the AL now though. Takes away the Cards offense and moves it to the AL, where Melancon will be “lucky” enough to get to face him.

      • bozosforall - Dec 15, 2011 at 11:14 AM

        Fielder is also gone from the Brewers, so 2 of the three “top offences (sic)” aren’t going to be in the NL Central next year.

      • cktai - Dec 15, 2011 at 1:09 PM

        Its not about the future of NL central however, its about the past performance of Melancon. When he pitched in the NL central, he pitched to Pujols, Berkman, Holliday, Fielder and the potentially juiced up Ryan Braun.

  4. JBerardi - Dec 15, 2011 at 9:46 AM

    The “closer” convention and the save statistic have made it completely impossible to have a rational discussion about bullpens. It’s like people are down on Melancon because he had some saves but he’s not a great closer. Well, who says he’s a closer in Boston? Just because he got half a year of saves on a last place team doesn’t mean the Red Sox acquired him thinking he’s a replacement for Papelbon. Forget all this “closer” nonsense. Melancon is a decent solid reliever, the Red Sox paid a middle reliever price for him, and they’ll probably end up using him as a… wait for it… middle reliever.

    But please, continue with the hysterics over the most minor, non-even trade.

    • stex52 - Dec 15, 2011 at 9:56 AM

      Red Sox will get useful mileage out of Melancon for a very cheap price. And the Astros get two possibly useful pieces to rebuild from a terrible situation.

      A lot of this is just the typical East Coast chatter we get on this site. I enjoy it some because no one else here ever wants to talk about Houston.

      • bozosforall - Dec 15, 2011 at 9:59 AM

        I’ll talk about Houston with you. Tell me what you think is going to happen in H-Town this year. I promise to be supportive even.

    • bozosforall - Dec 15, 2011 at 10:00 AM

      Meanwhile, your team STILL doesn’t have a replacement for Papelbon. Whoops…

      • stex52 - Dec 15, 2011 at 10:14 AM

        Supportive won’t quite cut it. Got any cheap starting pitchers?

      • JBerardi - Dec 15, 2011 at 10:49 AM

        Whoops, it’s still mid-december. Who cares what they have now?

      • bozosforall - Dec 15, 2011 at 11:13 AM

        The Yankees will let you have AJ pretty cheap. LOL

  5. unclemosesgreen - Dec 15, 2011 at 9:52 AM

    The Sox stretched out Papelbon in spring training of 2006, still thinking that he might go to the rotation and they could make do with Keith Foulke at closer. Bard could easily end up the closer on this team, and being stretched out early may help him stay strong later.

    As Craig notes, you can never have enough relief pitching. Which I would broaden to ‘you can never have enough pitching.’ They will continue to aggressively seek to improve their rotation as well as their bullpen.

  6. uyf1950 - Dec 15, 2011 at 10:02 AM

    After what can only be considered as a bitter disappointment to the end of the 2011 MLB season all the Red Sox have done to address their on field “issues” is sign 3 at best “non” difference makers. As it stands right now the Red Sox payroll for their 40 man roster is about $173 to $175MM +/-. And they still need to get a starting pitcher, a “real” closer if they move Bard to the starting rotation and even if they don’t, nd they need to decide what they are going to do with the RF situation in my opinion.

    I’ve seen suggestions on these sites that Aceves is a possible alternative as a starter. Having seen him pitch for the Yankees I can tell you he is a very nice relief pitcher and can give you 3 at the very outside maybe 4 innings but he is not a starter. If the Red Sox try and couple him with Bard at the back end of the rotation they are kidding themselves. Evening stretching Bard out to expect him to pitch 200 innings after only going about 75 over the past few years they are flirting with disaster. And the same applies to Aceves in 2010 he pitched 12 innings because of injuries then the Sox work him to 114 innings last year. That’s a big increase to expect him to just to 175 or 200 innings is misguided in my opinion. And that’s not to say anything about how many innings the Sox will get out of Buchholz with the big league club.

    • mcsnide - Dec 15, 2011 at 10:16 AM

      Well said. Personally, I’m guessing they do basically nothing to address RF in an attempt to avoid the luxury tax (even though I can’t imagine how they don’t pay it at this point). In all fairness, they could plug me into the 9th spot in the lineup and still score a ton of runs, so I don’t see RF as a huge area of concern.

      As you’ve pointed out, the real concern is addressing the back end of the rotation and the bullpen. They’re almost certainly going to have to pull a few trades to do that. Here’s where we get to see what Cherington can do. When he, Hoyer, and Lucchino were calling the shots after the gorilla suit episode, they did just fine in turning Hanley and Sanchez into Beckett and Lowell. Only time will tell.

      • lardin - Dec 15, 2011 at 12:27 PM

        At that time they had Hanley Ramirez in their system to trade. He was one of the top prospects in baseball. Currently the Sox have dont have anyone of that caliber in the minors. The only young players they have with that much talent are Ellsbury and Bucholtz and they are not trading either. The White Sox and A’s asked for both Banuelos and Montero from the Yankees, the Sox dont have one prospect that highly regarded, let alone two…

  7. muckthefets23 - Dec 15, 2011 at 10:02 AM

    It’s ashame that Scott “Bore-ass” has driven up the price on Madson or he’d have a job by now. He may or may not have proven himself as a closer, but regardless he has proven he’s a valuable back of the pen piece in general. I don’t think the sox seem too worried about the situation though. They could go closer by committee for awhile and still be ok til they find their guy.

    • JBerardi - Dec 15, 2011 at 10:52 AM

      “Bore-ass”

      Stopped reading your comment right there.

  8. bradyisbetterthanrodgers - Dec 15, 2011 at 10:41 AM

    bozosforall

    why do u post on boston sports articles? no one cares what u think

    • bozosforall - Dec 15, 2011 at 11:17 AM

      Same reason why Pats fans post on Jets thread, Red Sox fans post on Yankee threads and Celtics fans post on Laker threads. Go to those threads and call out your fellow Boston idiots first before you try and call me out, hypocrite.

      Oh, and drop the loser “l33t sp3@k”…lazy ass.

      • JBerardi - Dec 15, 2011 at 11:25 AM

        “Oh, and drop the loser “l33t sp3@k”…lazy ass.”

        LMOA.

    • thetruth1313 - Dec 15, 2011 at 11:22 AM

      Because according to him, New England fans dont respect other sports teams- so he is the self appointed chosen one to speak for the people and seek revenge from us evil-do’ers.

      Something like that…

      • bozosforall - Dec 15, 2011 at 11:29 AM

        Self-appointed? As opposed to the legions of NE/Boston idiots (you especially) who post their drivel here. Get over yourself…Red Sox fans alone have been whining about the Yankees for darn near a century now.

        Hypocrite much?

      • bozosforall - Dec 15, 2011 at 11:31 AM

        Oh, and “evil-do’ers”???

        It wasn’t the Yankees’ president who co-opted the term “Evil Empire” to describe the team that has owned his organization for almost 100 years.

        Denial…an unseen (by the natives at least) river flowing right down the middle of Boston.

      • cur68 - Dec 15, 2011 at 11:51 AM

        bozo’s like a small yappy dog who can type :) Hilarious…you can see him leaving his little paws with every shrill yelp, too…

      • bozosforall - Dec 15, 2011 at 12:58 PM

        Given that a “cur” is a dog, the puppy metaphor fits you so much nicer.

        But hey, far be it from me to keep you from defending your boyfriends down in New England, Canuck boi.

      • ltzep75 - Dec 15, 2011 at 1:01 PM

        The King is dead (‘cepts). Long live the King (bozos)!

      • aceshigh11 - Dec 15, 2011 at 2:51 PM

        So what you’re saying is you’re an overly-sensitive pussy who can’t handle the back-and-forth of a sports rivalry.

        You need to take it to a psychotic level and completely destroy what was once an enjoyable messageboard with your lunatic drivel.

        Don’t worry…you’ll soon get your pitiful, mentally-ill ass banned. It’s just a matter of time.

      • bozosforall - Dec 15, 2011 at 2:55 PM

        Banned? Typical of a Boston fan to go whining to the mods. Odd that you never had any problem with the pussified “Yankees Suck” t-shirts being worn over at Fenway…the constant gay jokes being told about ARod and Jeter for as long as anyone can remember. Then again, it was you losers who were doing the dishing, so it obviously didn’t matter to you. The only pussies I see here are the Boston crybabies who can’t take what they have been dishing out for as long as I can remember. Funny about that.

      • cur68 - Dec 15, 2011 at 3:54 PM

        Aww, man, I can’t escape the imagery of bozo as an ill tempered lil shih tzu :) All 4 lil pawsies RIGHT off the floor with that reply, eh bozo?

      • thetruth1313 - Dec 15, 2011 at 4:04 PM

        I would say more of a little bitch than anything.

      • bozosforall - Dec 16, 2011 at 4:44 PM

        Only two little bitches I see posted just above this one.

  9. muckthefets23 - Dec 15, 2011 at 11:21 AM

    I actually plagiarized that nickname from a previous thread. I can’t take any credit for it. But I am curious, is Scott a personal friend of yours or something that it irritates you that I poke fun at his name?? I mean come on it can’t bother you that much…

    • bozosforall - Dec 15, 2011 at 11:32 AM

      Nah, he’s just a s-s-s-sens-s-s-sitive Boston fan.

      • thetruth1313 - Dec 15, 2011 at 11:36 AM

        And what drivel do I speak of genius? Unless the drivel you are talking about is commenting to one of your idiotic statements. Go through all the threads and look for some- should be easy since you go on every Boston article there is.

        So easy to talk smack behind a computer monitor isnt it?

      • bozosforall - Dec 15, 2011 at 12:59 PM

        “So easy to talk smack behind a computer monitor isnt it?”

        Why don’t you tell me how easy it is…

      • ltzep75 - Dec 15, 2011 at 1:05 PM

        Pray, do tell, how someone taking issue with a creative method of spelling Boras renders them a Sox fan. I know that Boras has been engaging in carnal action with the front office for years (as he does every team), but I fail to see what the connection is between the name issue and the rooting interest of a particular commenter.

      • thetruth1313 - Dec 15, 2011 at 1:13 PM

        Your comebacks never cease to amaze me.

      • bozosforall - Dec 15, 2011 at 2:57 PM

        And your comebacks never cease to disappoint me.

      • thetruth1313 - Dec 15, 2011 at 3:21 PM

        you should be used to disappointment by now

  10. thetruth1313 - Dec 16, 2011 at 6:10 PM

    Wow! Yet another clever comment. I will just keep my comments to myself seeing your comments are so damn clever!

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