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La Russa: Albert Pujols has been “in pain” since signing with the Angels

Dec 16, 2011, 10:31 AM EDT

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Here’s an empathy test for you, Cardinals fans: Tony La Russa says that Albert Pujols has been “in pain” since signing his deal with the Angels last week:

La Russa said Pujols has been “in pain” since he accepted the Los Angeles Angels’ 10-year, $254-million offer. “I know it was a painful decision and it pains him now,” La Russa said.

As you might expect, La Russa is being diplomatic here. He doesn’t call out the Cardinals for not being more aggressive, but you can sort of tell that that’s the “pain” on Pujols’ part that he’s trying to communicate.

Either way: $254 million buys something like 30 million extra large bottles of ibuprofen, so I guess Albert’s good.

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  1. derekjetersmansion - Dec 16, 2011 at 10:34 AM

    He’s probably crying into a wad of hundreds.

    • lovesmesomeme - Dec 16, 2011 at 10:55 AM

      Tony just came out of a gin induced blackout next to one of his rescued animals wondering if he has to buy it breakfast. The only pain AP’s having right now is which Range rover to buy right now. Who among us wouldn’t want to be in pain like that.

      • lovesmesomeme - Dec 16, 2011 at 12:50 PM

        Craig all I want for Hanukah is more TLR and AP stories. If you could spread them out at the rate of once a week that would make me a happy boy.

    • Brian Donohue - Dec 16, 2011 at 12:25 PM

      Whatever happened to those days when a man retired to, you know, work on his memoirs while sitting in the cart waiting for the next group up to clear the green on the par 3, and otherwise kept his mouth shut?

      • Ray Anselmo - Dec 22, 2011 at 1:38 PM

        Those days never existed. Move on.

    • nudeman - Dec 16, 2011 at 1:27 PM

      These are 2 guys who deserve each other “in the worst way”
      A narcissistic self proclaimed “genius” and a lying, cheating, greedy juicer.

      I guess I’m having trouble with the empathy thing here.

      • stlouis1baseball - Dec 16, 2011 at 1:53 PM

        “Self described genius?” “Juicer?”
        You appear to not be able to tell the difference between your ass and a hole in the ground.

      • WhenMattStairsIsKing - Dec 16, 2011 at 2:50 PM

        Some people comment on here to purposely instigate. Let us not encase ourselves in the surrounding anarchy of the troll mentality and their evil ways.

      • lovesmesomeme - Dec 16, 2011 at 3:10 PM

        Stlouisfan your an idiot if you don’t recall TLR acting like he was smarter than everyone else, the funny part about it is that he did all this is a blackout. Or are your feelings still hurt that someone who has no earthly idea who the he’ll you are left your town for more money? Look at it this way though you will still have your AP jammies to sleep in.

      • lovesmesomeme - Dec 16, 2011 at 3:21 PM

        Oh and Matt I am that person you are referring to. People are lectured to all day about stupid $hit they care nothing about and the last thing I want to do when I get home from killing small animals, yelling at challenged people, kids and senior citizens is peoples honest opinions about sports.

      • stlouis1baseball - Dec 16, 2011 at 4:12 PM

        T.O./Chumpstain: I have NEVER seen and/or heard TLR call himself a genius. As a result, the previous moron’s comment (previous moron as in the one prior to you) with regards to him being a “self-proclaimed genius” is a joke (much like you and your idiotic handle). Further, I don’t ever recall A.P.’s name coming up in the Mitchell Report OR anywhere else for that matter.
        Therefore, his “juicer” comment is equally moronic (again…much like you and your handle).
        St. Louis isn’t “my town.”
        You do realize there are Cardinals fans all over the Country don’t you?
        Could be one reason they are among the league leaders in Home AND Away attendence on a year-in-year out basis.
        Oh…one more thing…how’s football season going for you? Ouch!

      • nudeman - Dec 16, 2011 at 4:33 PM

        Technically correct: TLR never overtly referred to himself as a genius. But he absolutely REVELED in it when the idiots in the media did. Never once had the humility to say “hey, c’mon guys; i’m a baseball manager, no nore than that”. Fucking LOVED being called a genius. (Excuse the language)

        As far as Pujols juicing, are you saying that the only players who juiced were those in the Mitchell Report? Seriously? You are NAIVE.

        The list of 104 players and the ones in the Mitchell Report are the ones who got CAUGHT.

      • lovesmesomeme - Dec 16, 2011 at 4:41 PM

        Wow, that’s a lot of unresolved anger you have there champ. Mommy tell you had to move out of the basement and get a real job.

      • stlouis1baseball - Dec 16, 2011 at 5:59 PM

        Nude: When people make comments like yours (self proclaimed genius/juicer)…it doesn’t carry any weight. The reason for this is because they are baseless comments. More than anything…they come off as someone who is jealous/envious (hence them not carrying any weight). And we haven’t even discussed how irresponsible they are. There is not one shred of evidence in anything you said (Mitchell report or NO Mitchell report). Your comment on illustrates you would LOVE for him to be found to have cheated (which is precisely why you make unfounded accusations). All of these things makes it impossible for me to take any of your posts (or those of T.O.)…seriously.

      • lovesmesomeme - Dec 16, 2011 at 7:30 PM

        My opinions are not meant to carry any weight. I just like to ruffle the feathers of the “best fans in baseball” and I have bagged a doozy in mrstlouisbaseballfan#1.

  2. Ari Collins - Dec 16, 2011 at 10:37 AM

    Oh man, I was gonna make the ibuprofen joke. Damn you, Craig!

  3. phukyouk - Dec 16, 2011 at 10:40 AM

    He crying over his faberge egg breakfast

    • thumper001 - Dec 16, 2011 at 1:13 PM

      Thought you were gonna say “faberge eggs benedict”.

      Just gives it that upper crust spin, so us mere mortals just can’t touch this.

      Besides, it makes me think of Vana White doing that spin, spin, spin deal on the Wheel of Fortune, which is infinitely better than thinking about po Albert’s pain at this point. “Yo, Vana, can I have a T, or maybe an A, please. Or., baby, just give me the T & A, puhlease…”

      Ah, all better. Vana makes the booboos all better. Albert? He should just rub some damned dirt on it.

      +1 for youse anyways.

  4. cardsfanindelaware - Dec 16, 2011 at 10:41 AM

    He was offered 9 years at 200 million before the 2011 season and he and his agent turned their noses up at it.

    They only have themselves to blame for his situation.

    • cardsfanindelaware - Dec 16, 2011 at 10:42 AM

      Someone tell Albert to go cry to God for it was HIS bidding…


    • El Bravo - Dec 16, 2011 at 10:47 AM

      It’s amazing what one more year and fifty million more dollars can do. The Cards could have had him if they wanted him, so they only have themselves to blame if they wish they still had Pujols on their roster. My guess is they don’t care b/c they weren’t expecting to keep him anyway or else their offers would have gotten richer, not shorter for less money.

      • paperlions - Dec 16, 2011 at 10:50 AM

        Untrue. Their 5 year deal was for a higher AAV than the Angels deal, they simply offered alternatives. A 5 year deal for $26M/year or a 9 yr deal for $23.3M/year (they never offered 10 yrs). The 9 year deal was already far too much for a player that will be 40 yrs old when it ends; it isn’t their fault some other team could throw away more money than they could.

      • saints97 - Dec 16, 2011 at 10:59 AM

        It sure is amazing how some people are either ignorant to the fact that the Angels are going to make $120 million per year in TV revenue than the Cardinals, or they are ignorant to what that means.

        Just because the Angels could afford that contract does not mean the Cardinals could.

        And does anyone believe God would have changed his mind about the situation just because the Cardinals offered more money? It was never about the money, remember?

      • El Bravo - Dec 16, 2011 at 11:01 AM

        The five year deal was absolutely meaningless. He wanted a career finishing contract. The Cards knew this so it’s their loss (but also their gain in dollars saved). You keep trying to make AP look greedy for doing something that’s done everything single year in every single league in every single major sport on the planet. The Cards could have him, they didn’t want to pay for him. That simple.

      • Francisco (FC) - Dec 16, 2011 at 11:29 AM

        Untrue. Their 5 year deal was for a higher AAV than the Angels deal, they simply offered alternatives.

        I keep coming back to the notion that AAV has less weight for a player than years. Simply due to the fact that the difference between $23.3MM/yr and $26MM/yr isn’t all that hot after you reach $20MM threshold. But the difference between being guaranteed money for 5 years and 9/10 years is considerable.

        I am going to speculate that when Albert said he wanted to be a Cardinal for life, he expected an offer that would guarantee him that the rest of his career. The 5 year deal would not have done that. From his POV that’s a slap to the face. He wanted commitment.

        I am not saying Al is correct, and from a business POV it’s a huge risk to give a contract that long and that massive to a player already 30+ years of age (even of great caliber as Pujols). I am saying though, that he may not value the offers, the alternatives and the way they were presented in the same way a fan would. AAV in this case, is one such thing Albert may have place 3rd in his priority list after: Total contract length, total guaranteed dollars.

      • paperlions - Dec 16, 2011 at 11:33 AM

        Did he want to be a Cardinal for life at a reasonable wage? Because then the 5 year deal for $26M per should have been fine, and then they could do a new deal that better reflects his career trajectory at that point. He knew the Cardinals couldn’t afford to be the highest bidders for such a long deal and still be competitive with a $25M/year anchor while getting no production from a 38,39,40, and 41 yr old 1B.

        Either he wanted the most money or he wanted to be a Cardinal for life. He chose.

      • Francisco (FC) - Dec 16, 2011 at 12:26 PM

        Did he want to be a Cardinal for life at a reasonable wage? Because then the 5 year deal for $26M per should have been fine, and then they could do a new deal that better reflects his career trajectory at that point

        Again, that’s the fan’s perspective. Pujols does’t put the same value to those things. For him 5 years is “Not Cardinal for Life”, so from his POV, no, the 5 year deal is not fine at all. There is no guarantee that after 5 years Al would get a new offer from the Cardinals at age 36-37. No one can see the future that far. He obviously felt that he was due a long term commitment, not just 5 years. And let’s be realistic: NO PLAYER is going to sign for less time so that he can negotiate a new deal that better reflects his career trajectory at that point. 😀

      • paperlions - Dec 16, 2011 at 1:54 PM

        Then he didn’t want what he said he wanted, did he?

  5. saints97 - Dec 16, 2011 at 10:42 AM

    Could be the pain of a loudmouth wife that refuses to shut her trap.

    Just sayin’.

  6. paperlions - Dec 16, 2011 at 10:46 AM

    Let’s see.

    Choice A) $210M, playing in front of friends, family, in the town where you have your church, community, and charity foundation, and where the fans worship you, and where you are on your way to being a legend of a storied franchise.

    Choice B) $254M, and playing over 1500 miles away from all of that, no legend, just money.

    Ego and pride can make people do things they wish they hadn’t….sometimes they can be undone; sometimes, they can’t.

    • paperlions - Dec 16, 2011 at 10:47 AM

      Level of sympathy: 0

    • cardsfanindelaware - Dec 16, 2011 at 10:49 AM

      He can always go to his new best friend Arte and ask to have his contract voided and go grovel at the feet of DeWitt And Mo and ask for their forgiveness…

    • El Bravo - Dec 16, 2011 at 10:54 AM

      Wow, this Choice B doesn’t sound slanted at all…I’m sure Angels fans won’t worship him as strongly as the St. Loius fans…rrrright. Or do they already? Pujols will be a pillar in the community in a few months, or weeks, or perhaps already. So so bitter.

      • paperlions - Dec 16, 2011 at 10:59 AM

        No, they won’t. That is like saying if Jeter left the Yankees when he was 32 that fans of his new team would have worshiped him as much as Yankee fans do now…or that he would be a legend in Yankee or Team B lore like he will be because he stayed with the Yankees. That is just stupid.

        Albert won’t be a pillar of the Anaheim community because he isn’t moving there, he is just working there. He and his family will continue to live in StL (at least, that is the current plan).

      • El Bravo - Dec 16, 2011 at 11:06 AM

        I call you bitter b/c you are and it shows in every comment you make on this topic. You say my logic is stupid, b/c you’re in fact bitter, and also being a dick today apparently.

        If you think he’s commuting from STL to LAA for every home game, you sir, are employing “stupid” logic. You also discredit Angels fans for saying they won’t cherish the greatest player in our generation as much as the Cards nation has…if AP stays AP, they will always and endlessly adore him.

      • El Bravo - Dec 16, 2011 at 11:09 AM

        Also comparing Yanks’ fans love for Jeter, which is clearly over-the-top to any non-Yanks fan, to ANY baseball fan’s admiration for Pujols is absurd. If you are not a Yanks fan and don’t work for ESPN, then you likely don’t care about him or may even actively root against Jeter. Everyone who likes baseball admires how f’ing fantastic AP is at baseball. No comparison at all.

      • paperlions - Dec 16, 2011 at 11:41 AM

        I am not bitter than he left; I abhor hypocrisy…and he has been one of the biggest hypocrites throughout this affair.

        He claims to be a Christian, but regularly exhibited at least 4 of the deadly sins, including what is regarded as the worst: pride.

        Everything was about the money and NOTHING else. All he ever had to do was be honest.

      • blueintown - Dec 16, 2011 at 11:42 AM

        If he produces at a legendary clip in Anaheim he will be regarded as legendary. There are churches in Orange County..plenty of them. He can run his foundation there if he chooses, or he can keep running it from St. Louis. It’s time for Cardinals fans to stop insisting they are what makes the “legend” of Pujols. They have nothing to do with it. batting .330 and belting forty a year is what makes Albert Pujols a great player. Who gives a crap where Albert will live. Just stop.

      • paperlions - Dec 16, 2011 at 11:43 AM

        …and clearly you have no idea how much Cardinal fans love Pujols. When Jeter was 32, everyone appreciated how great he was too. If Pujols had stayed with the Cardinals, in 5 years people would be saying the same things about him being over-rated and Cardinal fans would have shouted them down….though, more politely.

      • blueintown - Dec 16, 2011 at 11:54 AM

        Bullcrap, Paper. If the Cards had signed him to a ten year deal, and three years later he was batting .200, the Cardinals would have dropped him in a heart beat with the fans blessing. Yes, there would have been a “hey, thanks for everything” honeymoon, but after a couple days it would be back to business as usual. I’ll say it again: You don’t know Pujols, he doesn’t know you. You don’t love Albert Pujols, you love great hitters. If Matt Holliday bats .330 and bats in 120 next year, you will “love” him. I know Cardinals fans think there is something special about “Cardinal Nation”, but there isn’t. Just like there’s nothing special about Yankees fans, nothing special about Cubs fans, nothing special about Diamonbacks fans, and on and on and on..

      • pitperc - Dec 16, 2011 at 12:09 PM

        I’m an Angels fan. We’re pretty damn excited to have him. Paper, I think you underestimate our enthusiasm for Albert finishing his career as a Halo.

      • phillyphreak - Dec 16, 2011 at 12:21 PM

        “He claims to be a Christian, but regularly exhibited at least 4 of the deadly sins, including what is regarded as the worst: pride.”

        He also works on Sundays….that heathen….

    • cardsfanindelaware - Dec 16, 2011 at 11:00 AM

      It wasn’t a big deal in the L.A. Times or their local rag the day he signed. That story was 3rd down the page below The Lakers’ Bryant crying about something and something along the lines of a new flower shop having a grand opening.

      He will see the shock that he is not of the stature that he was in St. Louis. Out in L.A., he is waaay down the pecking order. Jack Nicholson has more fan appreciation out there and he just sits courtside.

      • El Bravo - Dec 16, 2011 at 11:14 AM

        Give me a break, dude. It’s December and the Lakers are gearing up for a new season. The Clippers are too, and just finished a blockbuster. If the Rams were good right now, maybe Cards fans would redirect their whining to rooting for their football team. Withhold your judgment of the lack of concern in LA for AP until there’s actual baseball to be played and they take him and their sick rotation and put that up against the Rangers. I’m not a fan of either team, but that still has me excited.

      • pitperc - Dec 16, 2011 at 12:11 PM

        You’re not even close.

      • brewcrewfan54 - Dec 16, 2011 at 12:54 PM

        He’ll be the same stature once baseball starts. Its not L.a’s fault they have other good sports teams to worry about in December. St Louis football team is trash, they have no NBA team and nobody cares about hockey. That’s why everyone cares about Pujols there in December when he doesn’t matter.

    • trevorb06 - Dec 16, 2011 at 11:10 AM

      With choice A, he’d still have more money than he could shake a stick at. Thing is though with choice A, in 5 years when that contract become an albatross St Louis would still worship him as legend because the prior 15 years were amazing. In LA though in 5 years they’ll know that contract was a mistake. Also to know is that although the next 5 years will still be good years for Pujols, they might not be as good as the last 5 years. Not to mention LA already has their LIFETIME sports legend in Kobe; Pujols is just adopted. What does St. Louis have?

      I know this from experience, I live in Minnesota and still like Joe Mauer even with his injuries on that hefty contract. Albert is still 5x (if not more) the player Mauer is. After ten years if Pujols decides to return ‘home’ he’ll be too late.

      • El Bravo - Dec 16, 2011 at 11:19 AM

        Trevor, you make a valid point/argument for why he won’t get hometown love in LA like he did in STL, but you also are attempting to predict the future. From my angle, I’m hearing bitter STL fans saying there’s no way he’ll have it as good in LA but there is just no way for STL fans, or anyone, to know that. It’s pure bitterness that is slanting this group’s perspective if you ask me.

      • paperlions - Dec 16, 2011 at 11:46 AM

        In LA there are all kinds of celebrities to worship, sports, movies, music, any kind of celeb that exists is there by the dozen. StL might be a small town, but it was Pujols’ town. LA will never be his town….he’s just one of dozens of celebs passing through…to be forgotten as soon as the next group of celebs passes through.

      • trevorb06 - Dec 16, 2011 at 11:52 AM

        Paperlions, you couldn’t have said it any better. LA will be Matt Kemp’s world when it comes to baseball over Pujols, not because Kemp is better but because Matt Kemp’s star power was born there. Pujols might do a lot of good for LA but it’ll be over shadowed by the good other stars are doing for LA. In StL Pujols was the MOST charitable and did the MOST for the community (and he really did do a lot) but in LA he’s sharing that spotlight with dozens of others.

        Who is to say what this pain he speaks of is.

      • El Bravo - Dec 16, 2011 at 11:54 AM

        I disagree, but I’ll stop beating my drum. Unlike Craig, I don’t get paid to write on here, I just wish I did!

      • phillyphreak - Dec 16, 2011 at 11:56 AM

        But paper, who cares. Maybe he doesn’t care if it’s “his town.” Just because that’s what StL was doesn’t mean he needs to stay there.

      • blueintown - Dec 16, 2011 at 11:58 AM

        Also important: Despite the name, he doesn’t even really play in L.A.

      • stlouis1baseball - Dec 16, 2011 at 2:25 PM

        Bravo: Why are you constantly lamenting the Cardinals fans “bitterness” on one hand then continuing to talk complete shit on the other? You are making excuses (as evidenced by your ridiculous comment in regards to the Angels fans adulation stacking up to those in St. Louis.) You absolutely know that is horseshit.
        If you don’t like the “bitterness”…then quit trying to bait more “bitterness” out of people with your incessant shit talking.
        It is apparent A.P. isn’t the only hyprocite here.

      • blueintown - Dec 16, 2011 at 2:35 PM

        t’would appear someone took said bait..

      • El Bravo - Dec 16, 2011 at 3:59 PM

        Are you kidding me? I haven’t constantly done shit, my friend. I gave a full week to your blabbering about AP and whining about him leaving STL (that’s not specifically you, but you are part of it) and I said nothing negative. I decide to let loose exactly a week ago b/c I’m tired of hearing the whining and it is completely due to your bitterness! Every time I see one of you make a whiny comment, you can expect me to call you out on it. Today it was Paper. Next week it’ll be you again. Week after, who knows?…sooner or later you WS champs’ fans will stop your whining, grasp reality, and I’ll stop bashing you for it. Until then, I’ll be right here giving you shit.

        That said, I wasn’t even giving Paper shit on this post. I was explaining my opinion on the matter and using sarcasm, but I hardly find that to be bashing anyone.

    • phillyphreak - Dec 16, 2011 at 11:17 AM

      I’m confused on why these were the only two choices as I’m not sure it’s so black and white. I’m pretty sure the Angels fans will at least “tolerate” him and maybe he eventually will establish himself in the surrounding community.

      The legend of Pujols is huge in StL I get that. It’s also pretty big around the rest of the MLB too. You don’t have to have sympathy for him, but you also don’t have to try and make him out to be this big greedy monster every time a Pujols thread comes up.

      • El Bravo - Dec 16, 2011 at 11:21 AM

        I shoulda just said this, b/c that’s my feelings put more eloquently…a little non-fan perspective is what is needed here, me thinks.

      • stlouis1baseball - Dec 16, 2011 at 2:51 PM

        Blue: Taking said baite? No…just the pot calling the kettle black.

      • blueintown - Dec 16, 2011 at 3:02 PM

        Not sure you completely understand that phrase.

    • bigtganks - Dec 16, 2011 at 4:19 PM

      So you’d turn down $44 million (players union aside which never would have allowed him to turn it down even if he WANTED to go back to STL) for the nostalgia of StL as opposed to living in California? Who cares about legend, storied franchise, blah blah… that’s what fans care about, not a player and you wouldn’t either if you were the player.

      Who’d turn down $44 million extra to live in CA instead of stay in Missouri (not a full no trade clause, deferred money in StL, etc.)

      CA is a no brainer.

  7. patthewvvilke - Dec 16, 2011 at 10:48 AM

    Dan Lozano probably has a few ideas better than a bottle of ibuprofen.

  8. thefalcon123 - Dec 16, 2011 at 10:48 AM

    The Cardinals gave their best offer: 10 years, $210 million.
    The Angels offered *$40 million more*. 40. Million. This is not some tiny little difference, this is a massive difference. I’m all for team loyalty to a point, but the Angels offer was so absurdly incredible, there is no logical reason to assume he would turn it down.

    Sometimes, it just doesn’t work out. I don’t think anybody’s the bad guy in this situation. I hope Albert smack 45 bombs a year and losses the World Series every single year to the Cardinals and it haunts his dreams for ever and ever.

    • paperlions - Dec 16, 2011 at 10:52 AM

      I would argue that there are plenty of logical reasons. Primarily, that there is no way he can spend the $300M plus (probably well over $400M including endorsements) he would have made if he stayed in StL….after you have so much money, more money doesn’t make a difference….and there are more things to life than money.

      • phillyphreak - Dec 16, 2011 at 11:21 AM

        But, as many have pointed out, in athletes’ eyes money = respect. And who cares if he can spend it? Do you think athletes really think about that when signing contracts?

        You’re starting to sound like Phillies fans who whine about bashing Howard…..

      • bigtganks - Dec 16, 2011 at 4:24 PM

        Yah, there’s no way professional athletes can ever outspend their millions. Impossible!

        What absurdity is this that anyone would think a multimillionaire athlete could ever go broke??? Never!! :O (*sarcasm*)

    • trevorb06 - Dec 16, 2011 at 11:24 AM

      Just goes to show that you CAN infact put a price on anything.

    • Francisco (FC) - Dec 16, 2011 at 11:35 AM

      Also my understanding is that it was $180 guaranteed and $30 more deferred, so the gap was in fact much larger in terms of the offers. Then again I don’t know the full details of the Angles contract. Is any of that money deferred at all?

      • paperlions - Dec 16, 2011 at 11:48 AM

        Deferred money is guaranteed money, just not paid during the life of the contract. The point remains…he would have made over $400M during his career if he stayed with the Cardinals…will it being $450M make any difference?

      • phillyphreak - Dec 16, 2011 at 11:57 AM

        Well he signed with the Angels, so the money obviously did make a difference.

      • meteor32 - Dec 16, 2011 at 1:13 PM

        Deferred money has less value because it doesn’t adjust for inflation. Unless you really screw it up like the Mets did with Bonilla, deferred money usually results in less real wealth for the player than if they were paid during the term of the contract.

  9. paperlions - Dec 16, 2011 at 10:56 AM

    You know who probably got played? Albert.

    We have so great insights into how his agent operates, included people in his own firm relating stories about him mis-representing offers from teams. It is completely within the realm of possibility that Lozano presented things to Albert in such a way as to engender anger at StL to encourage him to take more money from someone else. Lozano doesn’t make commission on things his clients value that aren’t money….he just makes commission on salary…so why would that shady, crazy-in-debt character do anything but encourage his client to take the most money?

    • cardsfanindelaware - Dec 16, 2011 at 11:07 AM

      Lazano had 2 phones in front of him. When the Angel’s phone rang, Lazano had a big happy smile on his wallet / face as he handed the phone to Albert. When the Card’s phone rang, Lazano had a big frowny face with his bottom lip all sticking out. Boo Albert for not doing his homework on that shady prick. There were reasons that the BHSC got rid of him, I mean, why Lazano left on his own accord.

    • Francisco (FC) - Dec 16, 2011 at 12:38 PM

      There is indeed a distinct possibility that Lozano further muddied the waters and misrepresented the offerings from the Cards:


      John Moz: We want to pick up where we left off in good faith. We want to present many different offers to Albert. One option we were thinking of is that we can give him a good AAV of around $26MM/yr for a shorter contract length like 5 years, then afterwards we can explore further career moves with possible coaching or management positions after he retires a Cardinal.

      Lozano: I’ll communicate it to Albert.


      Lozano: Al, the Cards are two timing us. They are so confident no one will offer you a monster contract that they’ve decided you’re only worth a 5 year commitment at about $126MM.

      Albert: Why those sons of- I must pray!

    • cintiphil - Dec 16, 2011 at 1:06 PM

      When this deal first came about, I said that his agent was looking out for himself, not Albert. There is little said or done to change my mind. If Albert bombs in LA, he will never be looked on favorably by the fans there. If he bombed in St. Louis, he would have been given every excuse they could think of for failing to produce, even blaming the manager. People in LA have many other hero’s or stars etc. to take a liking to. St. Louis has just a few. That is how it is here in the Midwest. I have no feeling about this story either way, because he went after the money, and that is OK by me. I just feel that his agent was far more involved in “guiding” him to this decision, rather than his own personal feelings. It made more money for Lozano!

    • brewcrewfan54 - Dec 16, 2011 at 2:42 PM

      If Albert got played it’s because he wanted to. First off, the agent works for the player. The player ultimately decides where he wants to play and for what money (with union influence of course). Albert also had just as much opportunity to learn about how much of a scumbag his agent is. Albert knew and did nothing. That leads me to believe he was happy with the path the negotiations were taking.

  10. Tick - Dec 16, 2011 at 11:09 AM

    Maybe you could just retitle this article “La Russa Jams Stick Into Anthill.”

  11. winkeroni - Dec 16, 2011 at 11:09 AM

    I wish team Albert would stop trying to play the victim. He’s got a deal, all guaranteed for over 250mil, not many of us are going to feel sorry for him. It’s silly of him or anyone with any grasp of reality to think that the public would be sad that Pujols wasn’t offered more by the Cardinals. It’s as if Pujols is trying to burn every bridge in St. Louis. All he should have said is thanks for the opportunity and that LA is a better place for him and his family. No offense to St. Louisans but St. Louis is is not paradise. It get’s dreadfully hot and humid in the summer and some of the surrounding areas are dangerous (north city and East St. Louis).

    • beaglemix - Dec 16, 2011 at 11:23 AM

      250mil isn’t going to cut it. he’ll need at least 500ml of ibuprophen for his ‘pain.’

      • Francisco (FC) - Dec 16, 2011 at 12:40 PM

        Wait, are you talking dollars or capsules?

  12. stoutfiles - Dec 16, 2011 at 11:16 AM

    Ken Griffey Jr. says this will all blow over and the Cardinals will welcome him back come retirement time.

    • paperlions - Dec 16, 2011 at 12:40 PM

      Yeah, he’ll be welcome to sleep in the locker room during games anytime he wants after 2021.

      • WhenMattStairsIsKing - Dec 16, 2011 at 2:57 PM

        That was low.

    • cintiphil - Dec 16, 2011 at 1:15 PM

      Two different situations entirely. Griffey Jr. was born and raised here. He is a true hometown boy who made good. In the minds of Cincinnati fans,this was/always will be his home even if he doesn’t live here. We knew he should go into the hall as as a Mariner, not as a Red. He and his father will always be honored here. it almost works that way with Stan and Pgh. Everyone knows he was from Denora.

  13. Chris Fiorentino - Dec 16, 2011 at 11:18 AM

    I wish all the Cardinals fans would stop whining about their player taking the extra 20% and instead celebrate their SECOND WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONSHIP IN 5 YEARS!!! Jesus Christ I mean seriously, guys? On the one hand, you keep on whining about how “Albert left us for the money…screw him” and on the other hand it’s “we’re better off now anyway because those last 5 years would have been terrible for the franchise”

    Stop your whining, enjoy being World Series champs, and by all means, leave Albert alone. He single-handedly brought your team 2 World Series titles and you have the balls to bitch about him leaving for 20% more money??? Give me a frigging break you hypocritical crybabies.

    • phillyphreak - Dec 16, 2011 at 11:23 AM

      I kinda like this comment.

    • El Bravo - Dec 16, 2011 at 11:24 AM

      I also wish I said this, but I didn’t want to incite an e-riot….wow, I’m in a agreement with two Phils fans on this one post. I guess the Mayans were right, 2012 will bring the apocalypse.

      • phillyphreak - Dec 16, 2011 at 11:28 AM

        If true, I hope the apocalypse at least waits until after the baseball season. Nothing would be worse than the world ending with races in all the divisions in September….

      • Francisco (FC) - Dec 16, 2011 at 12:42 PM

        It’s supposed to be December 21st, so the only sports seasons that will get screwed will be Hockey, Football and Basketball. Yet another reason to be a baseball fan…

    • cardsfanindelaware - Dec 16, 2011 at 11:43 AM

      At least, we, the fans of St. Louis don’t go around destroying our city when we lose the World Series. That is all I heard and saw on KYW when they crapped out in ’09. We, the fans of St. Louis have a great baseball team, an average hockey team and a s#!tty football team. You (Philly) have a good baseball team, a great hockey team, a good football team, so who should be complaining around here. We have a great baseball team and we are LOYAL passionate fans. Remember, you all s#!t on Cliff Lee for leaving to go to Texas, then kissed his ass the moment he returned.

      Lastly Chris, that last I knew, there were 8 other players on the field when Albert played. This isn’t Bugs Bunny vs The Gas-House Gorillas.

      • phillyphreak - Dec 16, 2011 at 12:02 PM

        “Remember, you all s#!t on Cliff Lee for leaving to go to Texas, then kissed his ass the moment he returned”

        He was actually traded to the Mariners, then to the Rangers. A lot of fans were disappointed in that trade, but not at Lee.

        “This isn’t Bugs Bunny vs The Gas-House Gorillas.”
        Bugs Bunny is the man.

      • cardsfanindelaware - Dec 16, 2011 at 12:29 PM

        phillyphreak, I am referencing when he was there, they all loved him, and when he left, everyone said he sucked. Then he was awesome again when he returned.

        Philadelphia can’t call other cities as being hypocritical until they look at themselves in the mirror and admit they are the true hypocrite city that they are. McNabb was their man and the moment he left, Philly tore him a new a$$hole as well.

      • phillyphreak - Dec 16, 2011 at 12:44 PM

        I don’t remember many people (at least those I talked to) say Lee sucked. The fans were mad he was traded because they wanted the Halladay, Lee, Hamels rotation that next year. Maybe the idiots who call sports talk radio on a daily basis. But let’s be real-if you’re judging sports fans of a city (any city) based on those who call sports radio then you are getting a really small idea of what people think.

        McNabb is a poor example too- he had his supporters and detractors his whole career in Philly. He still does.

        “Philadelphia can’t call other cities as being hypocritical until they look at themselves in the mirror and admit they are the true hypocrite city that they are.”

        Assuming you’re talking about the fan base, you could insert virtually all teams in major markets in place of Philadelphia and have the same argument. I’m not sure it’s fair as the actions of a small population of fans are often talked about much more (and louder?) than anything else. This is true in all cities, not just Philly.

      • Francisco (FC) - Dec 16, 2011 at 12:52 PM

        “Remember, you all s#!t on Cliff Lee for leaving to go to Texas, then kissed his ass the moment he returned

        Say what? As I recall it was Amaro Jr. who was getting all the brimstone for shipping Lee to Seattle in the first place.

      • delawarephilliesfan - Dec 16, 2011 at 1:00 PM

        Destroying the city in 2009? I think you are hallucinating.

        Nothign but crying right after winning the W.S., and yet you still feel a need to berate Phillies fans?

      • delawarephilliesfan - Dec 16, 2011 at 1:04 PM

        Good Point FC – cardsfanindelaware is losing his mind. ALL of philly went beserk when Cliff Lee was “traded” (not left) to “Seatle” (not Texas). No one trashed Cliff Lee – what would they trash him for? He was traded over his own objection!

    • cintiphil - Dec 16, 2011 at 1:26 PM

      Let me break in here and refute your comments. As an outsider (who has friends in St. Louis), you have to remember one thing. Albert did not single handedly win the W-S for the Cardinals. It was no accident that the only game he even contributed to was in was game 3, which he did very well, but did not win the game. During the season, Albert did almost nothing to lead this team except for one month. If he had led the team all year long, they would not have had to barely squeeze into a playoff spot. He did lead the world in double plays however and contributed greatly to the Cardinals setting a new MLB record there. Even then, the friends I know, made all kinds of excuses for the guy and just prayed that he would do better. I kind of enjoyed it, but even I thought he was so good, he had to pull through in the end. However, after all of that support he got and all of the excuses they made for him, he flew the coop. and for what? And now he is sorry? Well too bad for him, but he made his own bed, and now lie in it. He left for the money and because of poor advice from his agent. BFD.

      • phillyphreak - Dec 16, 2011 at 1:36 PM

        “During the season, Albert did almost nothing to lead this team except for one month. If he had led the team all year long, they would not have had to barely squeeze into a playoff spot.”

        What is with this new spin? Sure, Pujols wasn’t the same this year but cmon he was still pretty damn good. His wOBA by month March/April – Sept/Oct per FG: 0.329, 0.341, 0.493,0.403, 0.390, 0.406. I disagree that he was the only reason they won the WS (or made the playoffs) but jeeze.

        And while we’re at it I’m blaming Adam Wainwright for the lack of leadership this season. He did so little for the Cards…. (yea pretty ridiculous right?)

      • cintiphil - Dec 16, 2011 at 1:58 PM


        You don’t know of which you speak. I followed the Cards/Reds all year long, and was amazed that in situation after situation, he fell down on the job. Tt was good fun for me to throw jabs at my buds west of here, but they kept making excuses. We in Cinti were afraid that he would finally come through, and he did. It was almost too late, but they did pull it out, because Atlanta fell apart, not for any other reason. He let the season go by almost until the end, and by the way, the improved pitching is given the credit for getting them to the playoffs.

      • phillyphreak - Dec 16, 2011 at 2:06 PM

        Sure cinti. Ranking 5th in ML at 1B in fWAR, 4th in bWAR and 5th in oWAR at 1B was totally awful. Sorry.

    • petesdragon - Dec 16, 2011 at 1:36 PM

      SINGLEHANDEDLY!!!!! Did you even watch the world series? Or for that matter the less than stellar way the Cards season was going (including AP) before they backed their way in?

    • petesdragon - Dec 16, 2011 at 1:46 PM

      Injury prone and a bit too old to offer a ten year deal to. I wish congress could manage their money like the Cardinal front office.

    • stlouis1baseball - Dec 16, 2011 at 2:10 PM

      You were doing a great job Chris. Right until the very end with your “single-handedly brought your team 2 World Series titles” BULLSHIT. Everything you posted is now worthless. It has now fallen on deaf ears. That comment alone indicates you don’t have quite the handle on Baseball as I thought you did. I mean…”single-handidly?” Seriously? Hahaha!

  14. wonderkt - Dec 16, 2011 at 11:26 AM

    That’s the difference between superstar athletes and the rest of us. The know how to play through “pain”.

  15. beaglemix - Dec 16, 2011 at 11:35 AM

    quick vote out there: who would take more money for doing the same job at a competing company?

    results: 99% yes, 1% no

    is baseball a business or a friend page on facebook? if albert wants friends there are numerous ways to find some. if he wants a paycheck he can follow the money. if he leaves behind friends in the process he can learn to be human and work through his ‘pain’ and move on. decisions, decisions. life is soooo tough. 😦 and now he has to face losing one thing in exchange for gaining another. boohoo. albert is just a person. not a god, nothing special, just like you and me. somebody remind him that, please.

    we all make decisions every day. sometimes we reflect and wonder if it wasn’t the right decision. there is no point in ‘regretting’ a decision. regret is a response of weakness and never resolves anything. we make decisions based on the information available at the time compared against how we feel in the moment. if the decision doesn’t work out later we learn to cope and move on. like buying a house we can’t afford, then losing our job and wondering how we lost the house.

    albert is starting to appear perfect for the la-‘angels’-of-a, just like manny was for lad. they are both clown shows full of drama driven by ego after too much praise. are the angel’s going to market albertworld and create a reality show for him too?

    this whole thing has turned too kardashians for me. i am out of the conversation. ciao.

    • stlouis1baseball - Dec 16, 2011 at 2:21 PM

      Beagle: Your “quick vote” is total B.S. Albert isn’t (literally) living paycheck-to-paycheck. Further, he “made his money” so why would he “leave for 3-4 more million a year” when all he “cares about is winning.” Why is this so hard for people to understand? The dude is already set for life (by his OWN ADMISSION). It does NOT correlate to someone making $40,000 – $50,000 – $60,000 – $75,000 a year. Apples/Oranges.

  16. stex52 - Dec 16, 2011 at 11:40 AM

    What is it, Craig? Nothing doing with the Phillies so you had to stir the pot with the Cards fans?

    I am a Cards fan, but I do have to admit there is an awfully lot of misery going on with the world champions.

  17. mdoggydog - Dec 16, 2011 at 11:43 AM

    single-handedly, really?? I guess you forgot about Carpenter, Freese, and Berkman. Go back to crying in your cheese steak. Sorry you guys couldn’t buy a championship let alone get past the NLDS.

    • El Bravo - Dec 16, 2011 at 11:57 AM

      Wait, Craig is Fiorentino? It all makes sense now!

  18. mikeh3775 - Dec 16, 2011 at 11:47 AM

    I don;t blame him for going for the money, but just come out and admit it. He did turn down a long term deal before the season, and it was because it wasn’t enough $$$

    I wonder if LA fans will embrace him if he has a bad first year, or if he gets injured early in the season, like St Louis fans did this year

  19. 1historian - Dec 16, 2011 at 11:51 AM

    This clown was offered $200 mil for 9 years a year ago. That would pay him 22+ per annum until he’s 39 or 40 years old. He turned them down.

    Now he is in pain

    I don’t get it

  20. Jonny 5 - Dec 16, 2011 at 11:54 AM

    Fat wallets are known to throw your lower back out of line.

    • stlouis1baseball - Dec 16, 2011 at 2:32 PM

      Jonny: I can always count on you (or Koufax) to make me laugh when needed. Thanks man!

    • 1historian - Dec 17, 2011 at 7:34 AM

      good point – thanks for clearing that up

  21. isujames - Dec 16, 2011 at 11:56 AM

    Albert showed us his true colors,green!!!!

  22. deathmonkey41 - Dec 16, 2011 at 11:57 AM

    If he’s looking to invoke some sympathy and forgiveness from Cardinals fans, he should do a TV Show where he’s a cop and his partner is a monkey. No one can stay mad once they see a monkey…no one. Even that lady who had her face ripped off by that chimp probably still likes monkeys.

    • El Bravo - Dec 16, 2011 at 12:15 PM

      Yeah, I’m sure she’s cool with monkeys, but that lady hates apes like a mother f@cker I bet…

      • deathmonkey41 - Dec 16, 2011 at 1:00 PM

        Apes are ornery- monkeys are zany and fun!

  23. gs7101 - Dec 16, 2011 at 12:58 PM

    Of course Pujols is in pain — after laughing so hard after that first check cleared into his bank account. You got to be kidding me!

  24. natstowngreg - Dec 16, 2011 at 1:02 PM

    Albert, you made your choice, live with it.

  25. phillyphreak - Dec 16, 2011 at 1:08 PM

    Italics again!

    • stlouis1baseball - Dec 16, 2011 at 2:33 PM

      Yeah…what’s the deal with the italics?

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