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Reds acquire right-hander Mat Latos from Padres in multi-player deal

Dec 17, 2011, 1:30 PM EDT

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UPDATE: The Reds just announced that they have acquired Latos from the Padres for first baseman Yonder Alonso, right-handers Edinson Volquez and Brad Boxberger and catching prospect Yasmani Grandal. Wow. This one is looking a lot better for San Diego.

1:12 PM: Well, the Reds have landed the top-flight starter they’ve been looking for all offseason.

Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com reports that the Reds have acquired right-hander Mat Latos from the Padres. Yonder Alonso is among the players being sent to San Diego.

Latos has a 3.37 ERA over his first 72 starts in the majors, averaging 8.7 K/9 and 2.8 BB/9. The 24-year-old began this season on the disabled list with a shoulder strain, but ended up posting a 3.47 ERA and 185/62 K/BB ratio over 194 1/3 innings. He is arbitration-eligible for the first time next winter and under team control though 2015. His home/road splits aren’t all that different, so he should do fine with the move to Great American Ballpark.

Alonso is well regarded for his bat, but was blocked at first base in Cincinnati by Joey Votto. He could probably step in as the starting first baseman with the Padres right away, though one wonders what will happen with Anthony Rizzo, who was acquired from the Red Sox in last winter’s Adrian Gonzalez deal. Perhaps new GM Josh Byrnes has another deal on the way.

Like most of you, I’m eager to see who else the Padres got here. Latos was their most valuable chip, so I’m underwhelmed at the moment.

  1. okwhitefalcon - Dec 17, 2011 at 1:20 PM

    Not sure if “Ace” and “Lato’s” are synonymous but looks like a good pick up for the Reds at first glance.

    It’ll be interesting to see how he fairs in the small confines of GAB as opposed to the cavernous
    Petco.

    Dude may give up 40 bombs..

    • contraryguy - Dec 17, 2011 at 1:36 PM

      With the Ks Latos puts up, I doubt anybody’s going to be comparing him to Bronson… or Eric Milton. On the surface, a good trade if Latos’ shoulder isn’t a recurring issue; his stats show him going deeper into games as time went on this season, so as long as Dusty doesn’t go full retard on the guy, he should do fine.

      • metalhead65 - Dec 17, 2011 at 2:00 PM

        that is expecting alot from dusty who just can’t seem to help himself with pitchers. if he goes 6-7 strong expect dusty to send him back out for that 1 extra inning so things can fall apart before he takes him out.

  2. sfs1 - Dec 17, 2011 at 1:30 PM

    Depending on what the Reds gave up, I might end up really liking this trade. Latos was one of the guys I wanted the Reds to target but I wasn’t totally sure they would or that the Fathers would even be willing to trade him.

    • evanwins - Dec 17, 2011 at 1:41 PM

      They gave up a lot. Alonzo AND Volquez?

      And is Latos going to be as good in Great American as he was in the extremely forgiving Petco?

      • phillyphreak - Dec 17, 2011 at 3:20 PM

        His peripherals weren’t that different in 2011 Home vs Road (or for his career)

        3.24 ERA 3.06 FIP 3.34 xFIP Home (career: 3.11 ERA, 3.25 FIP, 3.44x FIP)
        3.68 ERA 3.26 FIP 3.68 xFIP Road (career 3.57 ERA, 3.30 FIP, 3.56 xFIP)

  3. uscfan1988 - Dec 17, 2011 at 1:34 PM

    Latos will be a ace he was beast last year
    no offense his splits were about even. Love the trade for the Reds

    • paperlions - Dec 17, 2011 at 3:11 PM

      RE: Latos home/road splits

      I had to see them to believe them.

      Here is my question: how in the world does a pitcher NOT have better results in PetCo than on the road? That is simply amazing.

  4. phillyphever - Dec 17, 2011 at 1:36 PM

    San Diego won this trade big time.

  5. cbjfan75 - Dec 17, 2011 at 1:37 PM

    Gave up way too much

  6. tgifinley88 - Dec 17, 2011 at 1:37 PM

    now that the complete deal has been announced i really like this deal for san diego. they essentially swtiched latos for volquez, and if edinson can return to form it equals out, and on top of that they get the other 3 players. big win for san diego.

    • evanwins - Dec 17, 2011 at 1:45 PM

      I’d have to agree. The Reds traded pitching + for pitching. I don’t think Latos is that much better than Volquez; certainly not better than Volquez+Alonzo.

      What I really don’t understand is why the Padres got another 1st base prospect. There’s got to be another trade on the way that sends one of them out.

    • contraryguy - Dec 17, 2011 at 1:48 PM

      I just read the trade details… wow that’s a lot of players.

      Volquez is a frustrating player; if you’re a Padres fan, you may not want to watch the first inning when he pitches. ERA of over 10 in the first inning in 2011. Just brutal.

    • cintiphil - Dec 17, 2011 at 2:19 PM

      This is a good deal for SD, if Yonder learns how to play in the field. Forget about Volquez, he is the throw-in in the deal. Perhaps Grandal will be a good prospect, but unproven. You had better hope Yonder turns out to be a good one, or SD may have given away too much. At least the Reds got a good pitcher with proven results. SD got a bunch of Maybe’s. ( And a NO Way).

      • spudchukar - Dec 17, 2011 at 6:27 PM

        You cannot “teach” talent. Maybe, possibly, he can become merely a bad first baseman. But the best he can hope for is nearing the level of Fielder or Howard. Right now his abilities rank him below Adam Dunn, far below.

  7. cjpunk15 - Dec 17, 2011 at 1:43 PM

    I hope this a clucking joke…. WTF is Josh Byrnes doing? This guy didnt even call Bell to talk about an extension after he took over and now he’s traded away the future of their pitching staff… Padres = Joke!!! Just called and cancelled my season tickets, this GM is a clucking idiot!!!!!!!

    • hittfamily - Dec 17, 2011 at 1:58 PM

      Alonso will be moved, and Grandal is a beast. First rounder last draft who has really impressed. He will be better than Mesoroco from everything I have read, but is 2 years away. This was a terrific trade for the Padres. They might end up with 2 top 50 prospects and another high prospect, plus Volquez when all is said and done.

      • cintiphil - Dec 17, 2011 at 2:27 PM

        Hitt boy:

        This in no way is a great win for SD. Grandal is just a prospect, and in no way is as good as Mesoroco. Mesoroco may be the next Bench. Grandal is no way near the ability he has. Who have you been speaking to? Volquez will not (will not) be an asset. The Reds gave up on him after of years of coaching and injuries and trials etc.. etc.. I would say it is a good trade for both teams if Yonder turns out as he is expected to. You can not believe everything you read about players. In the games played for the Reds this past year, he lost as many games with the glove, as he won with his bat. Pray that he improves.

      • evanwins - Dec 17, 2011 at 2:40 PM

        cintiphil:
        “Mesoroco may be the next Bench”. May be? Wow.

        “You can not believe everything you read about players”. See your above quote, it appears you are contradicting yourself.

    • cintiphil - Dec 17, 2011 at 2:20 PM

      Coudn’t agree with you more!

      • cintiphil - Dec 17, 2011 at 2:45 PM

        evan:
        I wathced him play at the major league level on T-V and at the game. When ever you get to see him, you will change your mind. I never say Grandal, just heard about him, and I am doubtful of the reports at this time.

  8. hittfamily - Dec 17, 2011 at 1:44 PM

    This is a great deal by the Reds. They got a cheap, experienced, controlled #1/2, and gave up a guy with very little MLB experience who was blocked for the next 2 years.

    The Rays wanted Alonso, Grandal, and 2 other top prospects for Shields.

    The Braves most likely wanted Grandal and a mlb outfielder, either Stubs or Heisey, which Cincy couldn’t do.

    The A’s aren’t desperate to win now, so they are probably asking the world for Gio.

    All around, a terrific trade for the Reds. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Pad’s flip Alonso to a team in immediate need for a 1st baseman. The Rays are the obvious choice. Alonso for Cobb or Torres and maybe a Brandon Guyer thrown in. Young cheap quality pitching and a controllable young outfielder with a lot of potential.

    • hittfamily - Dec 17, 2011 at 1:50 PM

      Holy Sh**. Update. Grandal was included? The Reds got Freaking RIPPED OFF!!!

      That is awful. Absolutely awful!

    • cintiphil - Dec 17, 2011 at 3:20 PM

      Never underestimate Walt. That is why he is here. He helped bring this team back to a playoff level, and now is trying to make them playoff winners. He did so much for the cards, and now will improve this team. I trust his judgement because he knows what players have and hopefully with the help of the field managers can ID people to trade and for whom to trade. Lets give this guy a chance, and don’t second guess him. Of course there is a degree of chance in all trades.

  9. theonlynolan - Dec 17, 2011 at 1:48 PM

    Looks like a good deal for the Padres, especially if Volquez can bounce back and be the perennial ROY candidate I think he can be.

    • foreverchipper10 - Dec 19, 2011 at 1:24 PM

      How can someone be a perennial rookie of the year candidate?

  10. drunkenhooliganism - Dec 17, 2011 at 1:50 PM

    Latos is really good. But they gave up a lot. Alonso and Grandal could be cheap stars for years. And I think Volquez could even return to being a solid #2 pitcher IF pitching in San Diego lets him get his confidence back. (and that confidence was the problem and not just a shredded arm)

  11. cintiphil - Dec 17, 2011 at 1:51 PM

    this is one trade whch could be good for both teams. The reds can not use Yonder, and they have to give up on Volquez once and for all. they have traded a guy with “potential” but they have gotten an established pitcher in return. Perhaps Yonder will learn how to play 1st base in SD. he certainly can hit.

    • hittfamily - Dec 17, 2011 at 2:01 PM

      This is virtually the same deal they turned down for Shields, with Volquez staying with the Reds. Latos is good, but Shields is better. I don’t get it for the Reds. They gave up a young pitcher with a lot of potential, and their 2 top prospects for Latos. It is an overpay anyway I look at it.

      • contraryguy - Dec 17, 2011 at 2:19 PM

        Huge difference in contracts; Shields would cost a lot more on payday. With the Reds, that’s ALWAYS a top consideration.

      • cintiphil - Dec 17, 2011 at 2:49 PM

        I am not sure if Shields is better, although,he was advertised as better. After watching him pitch, he has some good outings, and some poor ones. Didn’t see too much of Latos, but he looks to be solid.

      • paperlions - Dec 17, 2011 at 3:19 PM

        Latos won’t be that cheap starting 2013. His arb salaries are likely to be something like $8M, $11M, $14.

        The problem with this deal for Cincinnati is that the NEED cheap talent, and they gave away a lot of it for 1 guy that will only be cheap 1 year. Alonso isn’t a maybe, the guy can rake and play a passable 1B. Grandal is a great prospect; yeah, he was behind Mesoroco…but he would have been enough to fetch a top pitching prospect (or other cheap talent).

        This is just a LOT of cheap talent to give up for ONE guy.

      • hittfamily - Dec 17, 2011 at 4:30 PM

        Thank you paperlions.

        contraryguy:
        Latos is not cheap. He is cheap for 1 year, then will earn more than Shields his 2nd and 3rd year of arbitration. He also is a risk, because his injury record is unknown in only 2 service years. Shields has been healthy all 6 years of mlb time. The Rays were offering Niemann for Alonso. I think that is a better deal than what they got. They got Fleeced!

  12. theallegedone - Dec 17, 2011 at 1:55 PM

    Reds got ripped off? Padres got the better of the deal? As a Reds fan, I think this is a great deal. Yonder Alonso was never gonna be a starter at his natural 1st base. And he’s NOT a left fielder. With Votto at 1st he is no use for the Reds. Grandal is a great catching prospect, probably one of the best in all of the minor leagues, BUT, he had Devin Mesoraco in front of him. Mesoraco is the better prospect. As for Volquez, he had his 1 good year. Then Tommy John surgery. He spent a lot of time in the minors last year. He’s not the same. Plus u get to shed his contract. The term “ace” is getting thrown around. Latos is a solid starter, and while he was San Diego’s “ace”, he will likely be #2 behind Cueto. Also, shedding the Volquez contract will free up some money for a much needed left fielder. The Reds have plenty of big bats, they just need a good fielding left fielder. I like this trade.

    • cintiphil - Dec 17, 2011 at 2:42 PM

      AMEN AMEN AND AMEN. You West Coast Zealots listen to the man. Grandal is a good prospect, but at a low level and will not be a starting catcer in the bigs for a while, if ever. Watch and see Mesoroco. I call him the next Bench. He is going to start for the REDS this year, not some minor league A. AA, or AAA team, as Grandal is slated to do. I like this trade too!

    • metalhead65 - Dec 17, 2011 at 3:30 PM

      the reds have a good left fielder in Heisey but dusty refuses to play in reguarly. no much to play guys like gomes and lewis instead and whatever retread they put out there this year instead of Heisey.

  13. sfs1 - Dec 17, 2011 at 1:57 PM

    Anyone who thinks Edinzon Volquez was anything more than a toss-in/flyer in this trade is delusional, the young man has been regressing ever since his first season in Cincinnati.

  14. metalhead65 - Dec 17, 2011 at 2:02 PM

    with a 9-14 record he will fit right in with the reds staff. I hope they did not give away more than alonso and say volquez to get him.

    • sfs1 - Dec 17, 2011 at 2:06 PM

      Yes, metalhead65, we all know pitching wins are a Very Important Statistic.

      And Latos doesn’t have any remarkable difference in his numbers pitching in Petco vs. pitching elsewhere.

  15. cintiphil - Dec 17, 2011 at 2:36 PM

    Listen everybody. Forget this thing about “Potential”. There is only one established good major leaguer here. Yes, Latos is the guy. Yonder is a maybe, and Grandal is only potential. That can be said for a lot of people. Remember Rasmus was a great potential star. Look at him now. i think this is a pretty good deal for both teams, however if Younder doesn’t come through, SD will not make out well. All of you San Diego fans, forget about Volquez, he is not going to make it. The Reds came to that decision about a year ago, but could not find the remedy until now.

  16. firemarshal1 - Dec 17, 2011 at 3:15 PM

    W;alt, great job!
    Volquez was a throw in. He’s lazy and not committed to the game. Talent doesn’t win, it’s commitment and desire along with the being a constant professional like Brandon, Joey, Jay, Drew, and Scott. Get a Left fielder and back up infielder (Theriot), then we’re set. Oh, sign Coco, 3 yrs-$27 mil.

    • cintiphil - Dec 17, 2011 at 3:23 PM

      Yes, lets give the man a chance.

  17. druhlman - Dec 18, 2011 at 1:05 AM

    When I look at Latos I see a bit of Verlander in him. We all forget how many homers JV gave up every year. Latos is a kid with a NASTY slider and curve all and a good fastball. He, like JV did, just needs to learn how to pitch rather then throw. I think trading prospects who were blocked or that may not pan out for a kid who has passion is a win.

  18. bigtrav425 - Dec 18, 2011 at 3:18 AM

    the Reds got Fleeced like my tribe did in the Cliff lee and Sabathia trades!….this one hurts for all the reds fans….OUCH is all i gotta say!

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