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Winning bid for righty Yu Darvish will set posting record

Dec 17, 2011, 10:08 PM EDT

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From Franz Lidz of Sports Illustrated comes word that the winning posting bid for Japanese right-hander Yu Darvish will top the $51,111,111 sum that the Red Sox paid for exclusive negotiating rights to Daisuke Matsuzaka back in November of 2006.

The Hokkaido Nippon-Ham Fighters have not revealed which major league team made the record bid, and aren’t expected to do so until Tuesday.

Indications are that only the Blue Jays, Yankees, Rangers and Cubs tried for the 25-year-old starter. And there was a report in the New York Post earlier this week claiming Toronto as the winner. But none of that information has been confirmed by any of the involved parties.

Darvish registered a fantastic 18-7 record, 1.44 ERA and 276/36 K/BB ratio in 232 innings this past year for the Fighters. He had a 1.99 career ERA over seven total seasons in Nippon Professional Baseball.

Including the posting bid, his total cost will easily top $100 million and might even approach $150 million.

  1. awriterorsomething - Dec 17, 2011 at 10:33 PM

    not saying it is the Yanks or the Red Sox, that isn’t my point…..

    Hard to imagine any team bidding more that $51.1Million just for the rights to a pitcher other than the Yanks and Red Sox.

    If it is the Blue Jays that sort of rewrites the bounderies of insanity……..

    • brucewaynewins - Dec 18, 2011 at 2:20 PM

      I’d like to see the Blue Jays be the winning bidder. It’d be nice to see someone different make a bid for a player like this for once.

  2. hittfamily - Dec 17, 2011 at 10:46 PM

    Will someone explain what the “posting fee” is. I understand it is a fee paid to the club he is currently under contract with, but everyone’s explaination ends there.

    Is he owned for life by the club that signs him? Does he have a 10 year deal with the club? Is the government getting a huge cut to let him leave the country?

    The reason I ask is because is because the Japanes club seems to eat a TON of money to let the player come to America (or Canada) to play. If Darvish or Daisuke is worth 100 milion dollars, why wouldn’t he wait out his current contract with his Japanese club, become our version or a free agent, then head to America (or Canada), and put that “posting fee in his pocket.

    How much control does a Japenese club have on a person, to require another business, in another country, to pay 50 million dollars to even start negotiating a contract? I’m not being hyperbolic, I really do not understand, and any info anyone has would be enlightening.

    • hittfamily - Dec 17, 2011 at 10:54 PM

      Also, is there a penalty to a team who bids, wins, but can’t sign him? For example, why wouldn’t the Rays, knowing both the Yanks and Sox will bid, intentionally outbid them with no intention to sign him. Yankees bid 50 million, Sox bid 51 million, Rays bid 1 billion: No Yu Darvish in the AL East.

      I have read over and over, “he may not sign”. So if he doesn’t, does the bidding team suffer a penalty? Why wouldn’t a team make sure they win the bid, then offer an insulting contract if it means keeping him away from the competetion?

      • paperlions - Dec 17, 2011 at 11:00 PM

        Dude, just google it. You’ll find all you want to know about it.

      • Matt Aromando - Dec 17, 2011 at 11:06 PM

        The rights don’t have to go to the highest bidder, they go to whoever the posting team wants them to. Normally this is the highest bidder but it’s in the posting teams best interest that the player is signed (if the player isn’t signed, the posting team doesn’t make any money). So, they would probably see through the Rays’ offer of $1 billion and award the rights to the highest offer they expect will work.

        Additionally, teams probably don’t want to burn any bridges and if they were known as the team to play the system like that, then they miss out on future posted talents.

      • hittfamily - Dec 17, 2011 at 11:16 PM

        “Dude, just google it. You’ll find all you want to know about it.”

        Well that is about the most dickhead answer that could have been given to a honest question, that was asked in sincerity, isn’t it? I’ll google it.

        Yep, google agrees.

      • hittfamily - Dec 17, 2011 at 11:22 PM

        Thanks Matt. I check this site almost every day, and your post was the most informitave I have read regarding this business deal. Although the “posting fee” is mentioned every day on this site, the explaination, or even a link to it has been missing. Perhaps it was mentioned weeks ago and I missed it. Some people feel the need to make me feel like an asshole for asking what it is, others simply pass it by, and others, such as yourself, give a reasonable and respectful response that probably helped more than just me. Thank you for the answer, and for being respectful.

      • detroitfanatic - Dec 17, 2011 at 11:50 PM

        Thanks for asking the question hitt. I didn’t know the exact details either.

        Paperlions: You felt the need to respond, yet added nothing. Why did you push the reply button, then the post comment button if you only wanted to make someone feel bad about themselves.

        I have seen you here for a long time. I have seen hitt here a long time. Why the need to be rude to a long time poster? I still haven’t seen an anser to his question. Why are the Nippon Ham Fighters entitled to 50 million dollars?

      • Kevin S. - Dec 18, 2011 at 12:08 AM

        Matt is incorrect. The NPB team is only informed of what the winning bid was, not who submitted it or how many other offers there were. The team then accepts or declines the bid. If the team declines the bid, they retain the rights to the player, and I do not believe he can be posted until the following offseason (although I’m not entirely sure on that count). If the team accepts the bid, the team that has submitted it is informed that they have won and has thirty days to negotiate a contract with the player. If a contract is agreed to in that time frame, the MLB team pays the NPB team the posting fee. If no contract is agreed upon, the player remains with the NPB team and the MLB team keeps the posting fee.

        Japan has a ten-year reserve clause, which means most players wouldn’t be eligible for free agency until the tail end of their peak if they weren’t posted earlier.

      • paperlions - Dec 18, 2011 at 12:35 AM

        Of course Matt was incorrect…..and if you had taken 10 seconds to do a search you would have known that the information was incorrect.

        There is plenty of information that is freely available on line. It is acme of laziness to expect other people to take their time to tell you what you can easily find on your own….especially for topics so commonly reported on such as the posting system.

      • hittfamily - Dec 18, 2011 at 1:23 AM

        Go fuck yourself paperlions. Everyone could figure out the answers to everything with google. Thanks for filling in the .001% of the population who didn’t realize this.

        I didn’t know the answer to this, Matt doesn’t know the answer to this, Detoitfanatic doesn’t know the answer to this, kevin s doesn’t know the answer to this and ultimately……dickhead paperlions doesn’t know the answer to this!!! If paperlions knew the answer, he would offer something to the discussion, instead of being a damned troll intimidating others with his absolute knowledge.

        Why do you even come here paperlions? You act like an expert, so be an expert. Start your own site and share your knowledge. This is a blog, not a news outlet. It isn’t here to get the latest info. Hell, HBT is 30 minutes off of every story mlbtraderumors has ever written, and usually ends up linking it’s sources to it. It is a discussion forum, where the blog moderators link to other peoples stories, then comment on them.

        This is a place to discuss baseball. If you don’t like my question, move on. Someone else will indulge your ego.

        Fuck dude. Get over yourself.

      • cur68 - Dec 18, 2011 at 3:47 AM

        Y’know hitt’ I’ have no sympathy for you. Being lead through stuff by others is for kids and the infirm. ‘lions was right: look it up next time. Its not that hard.

        You seem to resent being told to do your own work in addition to resenting those that actually do the work to look stuff up. You lit into me the other day on one of the Ryan Braun posts after asking me a direct question: why the flip-out, I have no idea. Maybe I didn’t answer it 10 minutes after you asked.

        I do happen to be an expert in the administration and action of some steroids and I do a certain amount of research to stay current and to sideline into questions about performance enhancing. You had an absolute snit fit for some reason after asking me a direct question, which I’d have gladly answered if I’d have seen it before you went all shitty. But, given your unprovoked flip-out, insults and snotty comments? Well, go fuck yourself asshole. Do you own damn research, then you might know what you’re talking about for a change.

      • cktai - Dec 18, 2011 at 6:18 AM

      • Ari Collins - Dec 18, 2011 at 7:56 AM

        I hate to pile on hitt, since he’s actually been more polite and sane in general lately, but man, paperlions is totally right here. Asking someone to write something that essentially takes an entire blog post’s worth of information rather than googling an already existing blog post (or even Wikipedia) is pretty lazy and generally frowned upon.

        That said, let’s everybody calm down. We learned valuable lessons today on both sides of this argument: google something before you take up the board’s time, and don’t poke the sensitive internet people.

      • paperlions - Dec 18, 2011 at 10:48 AM

        As an educator, the most annoying habit of students (especially those of college age) is when they come to class with questions without spending one second trying to find the answer….the cherry on top is when they use that lack of understanding as an excuse for not completing their work. So perhaps I’m too sensitive to intellectual laziness….but if you are a capable adult, you really should spend at least some time trying to find information on your own.

      • CJ - Dec 18, 2011 at 11:42 AM

        I’m going to guess it took ktai about 4 seconds to find the link and like 4 minutes to read it. Must’ve taken at least twice that long for hittfamily’s ranting.

        Dude we all know you’ve been here a while, but get over yourself man. It’s really not hard to hit up any number of data sources online to get your answer, and you’ve wouldn’t have even had to sita around for a response.

      • hittfamily - Dec 18, 2011 at 2:27 PM

        A bunch of fucking assholes decided to show up today huh.

        It was a saturday night and I wanted to talk baseball. Anyone who wanted to talk was welcome to join. 1 dickhead decided to join.

        Fuck you “educators”. I wasn’t being lazy, I was being friendly, and hoping someone wanted to join me in a discussion.

    • hittfamily - Dec 18, 2011 at 2:34 PM

      Are any of you moderators? Then shut the fuck up. It’s isn’t your blog.

      Thread Nazi’s.

      Only post what Cur and lions care to see.

  3. whittle79 - Dec 17, 2011 at 10:49 PM

    It would be smart for the jays to bid high then no one can sign him ! Let’s go jays.

    • paperlions - Dec 17, 2011 at 11:02 PM

      Except that if it is determined that they are not negotiating in good faith or offering fair compensation, the Commissioner can move to the 2nd highest bidder and offer that posting fee to the Japanese team.

      • hittfamily - Dec 17, 2011 at 11:28 PM

        Shouldn’t he have just googled it?

      • paperlions - Dec 18, 2011 at 12:37 AM

        Yeah, he should have…but there was a short response to his statement….the posting system has many facets.

      • paperlions - Dec 18, 2011 at 12:39 AM

        …don’t worry HF, I’ll go back to ignoring you so you aren’t offended by people telling you to try and learn something on your own.

      • hittfamily - Dec 18, 2011 at 1:42 AM

        Learn something on my own? Wow dude. Most people are kind enough to give a respectful response to questions, or simply pass them by. A simple thumbs down would have been sufficient if you didn’t like my question. You felt the need to be a butt hole though.

      • cur68 - Dec 18, 2011 at 3:51 AM

        No, that’s not how you operate hitt. I didn’t answer a question you asked me direct. By the time I saw it, you had already re-posted and were all shitty to me. Passing you by only leaves you all resentful and douchey…and now it seems you’re a hypocrite, to boot.

      • hittfamily - Dec 18, 2011 at 2:29 PM

        Who are you talking to Cur. How does this involve you in the least?

      • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Dec 18, 2011 at 3:27 PM

        I’ve gotta agree with hit here. The dude just asked for some clarification. The people on this site are genrally pretty knowledgeable and can offer better information than some other places online can. It’s not like him posting a question hurts anybody so I don’t get why this became such a big deal.

  4. tincantelephone - Dec 18, 2011 at 12:02 AM

    • JBerardi - Dec 18, 2011 at 11:26 AM

      As long as we’re being the internet police today, here’s another lesson for you people: link shorteners suck. Use hyperlinks. Nobody wants to click a blink link. Just put the whole thing in or use an anchor tag to create a hyperlink.

  5. retief1954 - Dec 18, 2011 at 2:05 AM

    Bid this up so NYY have to pay $300M for this guy. Then, hope like hell he breaks down just like dice-k did. Good for baseball when NYY fails, as they’ve done EACH AND EVERY YEAR that they haven’t won the WS, right, NYY and fans? Bunch of failures, yeah? :) :) :) Oh, yeah.

    • damnyankee13 - Dec 18, 2011 at 5:14 AM

      Despite what you may think, the Yankees are good for baseball. After all, who cou;d you pick on when your favrorite team sucks?

      • proudlycanadian - Dec 18, 2011 at 6:48 AM

        Damn Yankees ! Love to have any opportunity to diss them; however, I find them to be more loveable than the Red Sox.

      • klingonj - Dec 18, 2011 at 10:01 AM

        the Yankees (and to a degree the Sox) support the loser clubs that refuse to spend money on the clubs (Marflins, Royals Pirates)

    • Ari Collins - Dec 18, 2011 at 7:51 AM

      Not only are you wrong on many more philosophical levels, but no one can bid it up to make someone else pay more, since it’s a silent auction. No one knows what anyone else has bid.

      • proudlycanadian - Dec 18, 2011 at 8:26 AM

        Good point Ari about the silent auction.

        I have no idea if the Jays won. AA is not even admitting that he made a bid; however, there is little doubt that the Jays did get approval from the board of Rogers Communications to make a strong bid.

  6. Jonny 5 - Dec 18, 2011 at 9:34 AM

    As everyone bickers about a bunch of BS, I can’t help but wonder why there is such a mad dash to obviously overpay this guy. A contract that revolves around the range of known, tried, and proven MLB aces, for a Japanese pitcher who’s been in a much easier league for his entire career is kind of nutty imo. I hope this guy turns out well for whomever signs him, but I don’t expect it.

    • uyf1950 - Dec 18, 2011 at 10:10 AM

      My friend I can understand the Yankees making a bid since only the contract and not the posting fee counts against the luxury tax even at the risk of the player under performing. I don’t understand a team like the Jays or even Texas for that matter who aren’t in jeopardy of going over the luxury tax bidding. They are far better off in my opinion going after a “know” quantity. Since it makes no difference to them how them $120MM plus total is accounted for by MLB. That’s just my opinion.

      • Jonny 5 - Dec 18, 2011 at 11:29 AM

        Very good point uyf, It does work well for Boston, NY, or other large salary teams that don’t want to bump into the luxury tax or make that tax larger if they already have to pay into it. I see it worth it to these teams if he can compete as a #2, it’s worth while. But remember Yu wants 5 yrs @75m supposedly and that’s not far off what CJ Wilson got, without the posting fee. I don’t understand NY staying out of bidding on Wilson then going after Darvish. For this reason I don’t think NY is in on him myself. Just because at best I think Darvish will be as good as Wilson. Unless Darvish can be signed for much less than rumored anyway.

      • uyf1950 - Dec 18, 2011 at 12:26 PM

        Jonny, 3 things about the Wilson comparison you made. One, is the Yankees were not that high on Wilson. Second, I don’t think Wilson would have signed for just $77MM with the Yankees. Remember the LA area is his home and I think that’s way he signed for that there. Third, let’s not lose sight of the fact that there is a little over 6 years difference in their ages,, Darvish is 25 and Wilson 31. The Yankees would be getting Darvish in his prime for 6 years and Wilson as has been pointed out on these sites is on the wrong side of 30 to start his contract.
        Lastly we are assuming Darvish will go for about $11MM may be $12MM per over 6 years. That’s approximately 36% less per year than Wilson is getting (5yrs/$77.5MM= $15.5MM per) That’s a pretty decent size chunk of change for a difference and then the 40% tax on top of that.

        Likel I said and you expanded on for a team like the Yankee and as you said the Sox and Phillies I think it makes sense for the other teams I don’t see it.

      • Kevin S. - Dec 18, 2011 at 1:29 PM

        Wanting is not getting. Darvish lacks leverage in these negotiations. He’s somewhat better off than a draftee, as returning to Japan is significantly more palpable than going back to college or the independent leagues, but he still is in no position to dictate a price. I’d be shocked if he got more than Dice-BB did.

      • uyf1950 - Dec 18, 2011 at 2:02 PM

        Kevin S. – I think he will get a little more than Dice K per year. But not to the tune of 5yrs/$75MM = $15MM per. That’s 50% more than Dice K signed for on a per year basis. I can’t see that happening. If he holds out for that I think he’s headed back to or staying in Japan for the 2012 season. Regardless of which team won the bid.

      • Jonny 5 - Dec 18, 2011 at 2:17 PM

        Good points guys. May the fun begin. I still think the best bet for the Yanks is to try their best to trade for Gio. If the trade price isn’t too high anyway. Originally they’re asking for all the best Yankee prospects, but that should weaken imo. If they really want to trade him that is. What do guys think about the Yankees going after Oswalt? He’d be a bargain as long as he doesn’t join any more rescue missions down south.

      • uyf1950 - Dec 18, 2011 at 2:25 PM

        Jonny 5 – I like Oswalt for just 2 years though. If he has times when he can’t start the Yankees have plenty of options in house to fill in for a couple of weeks if not more. But I want him off the payroll no later than the end of the 2013 season. Someone I like just a little bit more though is Kuroda on a 1 year deal. Then the Yankees can go balls to the wall for one or more of the very nice FA’s in next years class. At least the group as it stands today.

        Now all of that changes if the Yankees are team that submitted the highest bid for Darvish.

      • uyf1950 - Dec 18, 2011 at 2:36 PM

        Jonny 5 – About Gio, I know Cashman and the Yankees like him a lot, as I do. But there are a couple of concerns I have. One is his walks. And the other is he really hasn’t had a whole lot of success against either teams in the AL East or some in the AL Central. Most of his success has come from pitching against the AL West teams. And with the uneven schedule you have to think most of his starts if he was a Yankee would come against AL East teams being as they play each of those teams 18 times.

        Lastly, is as you mentioned Beane is asking way to much for Gio and unfortunately with what the Reds gave up for Latos I don’t see Beane getting his head out of the clouds anytime soon.

    • paperlions - Dec 18, 2011 at 10:51 AM

      Agreed. $120M total for 5 or 6 years is far too much considering the risk.

  7. lookatthefarside - Dec 19, 2011 at 7:24 AM

    Twenty pesos.

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