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Wait, might the Rangers have won the Darvish bidding?

Dec 19, 2011, 1:33 PM EDT

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We’ve heard several reports — or maybe one report repeated by a bunch of people — that the Blue Jays are the high bidder for the Yu Darvish posting fee.  But Buster Olney hears something else:

Most folks guessing/assuming Jays have won Darvish bidding. But just got off the phone with an AL exec who speculates smart $ is on Rangers.

I guess the key word is “speculates.” Those guys in the front offices are just as bored as we are all today, so they’re probably just speculatin’ on a hypothesis.  I understand. I was this close to trying to top Gleeman’s epic ketchup post from last May. Viva the offseason.

Anyway, like we said earlier, we’ll hear who wins Darvish this evening.

  1. yournuts - Dec 19, 2011 at 1:40 PM

    Where will the Rangers getthis money from? I thought they were kind of broke, they didn’t want to invest in a known commodity in CJ Wilson. This would be very strange, not that I don’t want them to take a gamble on an unknown Pitcher to MLB.

    • steelersfan1983 - Dec 19, 2011 at 2:26 PM

      Yes Cj Wilson is a known commodity, but who knows him better than the Rangers? Not you, and definitely not me. It tells me a lot about him that they didn’t throw all that cash at him.

      • mrfloydpink - Dec 19, 2011 at 2:29 PM

        First of all, you don’t even know yet if the Rangers DO have money to spend. Second, what this might very well tell us is NOT that the Rangers had a low opinion of Wilson, but instead that they played chicken with him and lost, and are now left scrambling.

    • sportsdrenched.com - Dec 19, 2011 at 3:24 PM

      Here you go:

      http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/texas-rangers/headlines/20100927-Rangers-new-20-year-2344.ece

      I suspect the Rangers & Angels will lock horns again in the future for big name free agents.

      • Richard In Big D - Dec 19, 2011 at 8:16 PM

        As a baseball fanatic for a half century, and a 20 year resident of DFW and Ranger fan, I simply can’t see why a sports network would spend that kind of money for Rangers rights. Yeah, the past couple of years have been GREAT, and, this being the capital of Bandwagon Nation, Rangers attemdamce and ratings have been up up up. It’s still a fairly easy ticket to get. History tells me, though, that when this run is over and “rebuilding” becomes the buzzword of the day in Arlington yet again, those riding the bandwagon (and I suspect they are MANY) will be back to doing their sweating at any of the many area lakes rather than at the ballpark, and American Idol reruns will suck in those who are not true fans of the game. Time will tell, I suppose, if that kind of money is warranted, and I suppose someone at Fox will be either a very big hero or a very big goat.

      • sportsdrenched.com - Dec 20, 2011 at 11:37 AM

        These things aren’t decided on attendance or even how good a team is. It’s the same reason college football conferences are re-aligning. It’s about market size and TV sets. DFW is huge, and is expected to get huger by 20% during the life of the contract. I’ve long thought the Rangers were sleeping big market giants, and it looks like they are waking up.

  2. uyf1950 - Dec 19, 2011 at 1:46 PM

    If I I may be allowed to quote W.C. Fields
    “If at first you don’t succeed, try, try again. Then quit. There’s no point in being a damn fool about it.”

    • hopespringseternal - Dec 19, 2011 at 2:40 PM

      Also from W.C.: “It’s morally wrong to allow a sucker to keep his money.”

      • Kevin S. - Dec 19, 2011 at 7:07 PM

        I thought that one was attributed to PT Barnum.

  3. mojosmagic - Dec 19, 2011 at 1:50 PM

    Total investment around 125 million for an unproven Japanese pitcher? I guess they know what their doing and people say he is the real deal but I prefer signing a Cliff Lee, Roy Halliday or even CJ Wilson.

    • Richard In Big D - Dec 19, 2011 at 8:18 PM

      The Rangers have the advantage of having a guy around that knows his pitching to make those decisions. Name’s Ryan. Nolan Ryan.

  4. lewp - Dec 19, 2011 at 1:56 PM

    The Rangers tried to sign Cliff Lee, but his wife runs that household and wanted to live in Philly…
    CJ is just asking for too much money..and I think he’s won 1 playoff game? 75 million for that isn’t worth the money.

    • mrfloydpink - Dec 19, 2011 at 2:34 PM

      Wilson has played in 10 playoff games–without question a large enough sample size from which to draw conclusions and to judge his entire career and skill set. Reminds me of another scrub who went 1-2 with a 4.12 ERA in his first nine playoff starts. A fella named Clemens.

      • winkeroni - Dec 19, 2011 at 2:43 PM

        I misread that. I thought you wrote a felon named Clemens.

      • steelersfan1983 - Dec 19, 2011 at 2:54 PM

        At 36 Clemens made somewhere around $8 mil. At 36 Wilson will get about $20 mil. So hopefully his natural talents are as good as Clemens.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Dec 19, 2011 at 3:19 PM

        10 playoff games–without question a large enough sample size

        Wha!?!?!?

        Reminds me of another scrub who went 1-2 with a 4.12 ERA in his first nine playoff starts. A fella named Clemens.

        My math says he went 2-2 with a 3.51 ERA. Also, the bulk of his 24 ER in those 10 starts, 7 to be exact was the first game he ever pitched in the playoffs. Game 2 he went 8.1IP with 3 ER, and Game 3 he went 7IP 1 ER.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Dec 19, 2011 at 3:20 PM

        Doh make that 3.45 ERA, stupid excel

      • mrfloydpink - Dec 19, 2011 at 3:20 PM

        Wow, steelerfan, way to totally ignore the inflation that has taken place in baseball contracts in the last 20 years. At 42, Clemens got $18 million, so it seems that the price of pitching talent has gone way, way up.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Dec 19, 2011 at 3:21 PM

        And that’s over 10 games not nine, I give up

      • steelersfan1983 - Dec 19, 2011 at 4:49 PM

        It was sarcasm. Nothing natural about Clemens. Also, if you think Wilson will be anywhere near Clemens synthetic talent, you my friend must be high….

        Oh, and yes he did make 18 mil that year but was that a little ridiculous even for him? You tell me

        1995 Boston Red Sox $5,655,250
        1996 Boston Red Sox $5,500,000
        1997 Toronto Blue Jays $8,400,000
        1998 Toronto Blue Jays $8,550,000
        1999 New York Yankees $8,250,000
        2000 New York Yankees $6,350,000
        2001 New York Yankees $10,300,000
        2002 New York Yankees $10,300,000
        2003 New York Yankees $10,100,000
        2004 Houston Astros $5,000,000
        2005 Houston Astros $18,000,000
        Total $121,001,000

      • jwbiii - Dec 19, 2011 at 6:07 PM

        steelersfan1983, You’re missing:
        2006 Houston Astros $12,250,000 ($22,000,000 pro-rated to 6/21/06 contract purchase)
        2007 New York Yankees $17,400,000 ($28,000,000 pro-rated to 6/9/07 contract purchase)

        The 2004 contract also included the post-retirement 10 year personal services contract of unknown value. Does that get transferred with the sale of the club? Does Clemens play golf with Drayton McLane and his buddies or wax McLane’s car or was this transferred to Jim Crane?

      • steelersfan1983 - Dec 19, 2011 at 6:51 PM

        Very true jwbiii! I was just pointing to the point of his career in which mrfloydpink was referring to when saying I missed out on 20 years of inflation.

    • Richard In Big D - Dec 19, 2011 at 8:21 PM

      I think the Rangers would have had to put uo 100 million to win over the Angels 75 on CJ. He wants to play at home. I live here in Dallas, but I grew up at the beach in NJ. While I prefer it here to there, NJ isn’t SoCal.

  5. sdelmonte - Dec 19, 2011 at 2:25 PM

    Yes, even here there is a Mystery Team!

  6. jwbiii - Dec 19, 2011 at 2:31 PM

    When those scamps get together, they’re worse than a sewing circle.

  7. cyanocittacristata - Dec 19, 2011 at 2:47 PM

    My worst fears may be coming true. One can just imagine Nolan Ryan watching the Darvish Yu tube K reel, frothing with a crotch rocket and muttering “Bet the farm!”.

    The Jays after Latos is either an indication that they know they didn’t bet enough, or maybe hoping to use Latos as leverage in a 3way trade for a big bat. You’d almost think AA asked Jocketty what it would take to get a package including Yonder or maybe just Votto.

    Maybe I’m reading too much into this… but maybe someone could have connected the dots and cut out the middle man, just sayin’.

    If the Rangers win, who do I blame for all this stink? The Puhols, that’s who.

    • cur68 - Dec 19, 2011 at 2:59 PM

      I’ve already prepared myself or the worst: he’ll be a Yankee. Len will be very smug about it if Darvish is a Yankee. That’ll be the worse thing. The smugness.

      • uyf1950 - Dec 19, 2011 at 3:04 PM

        I’d be very surprised if the Yankees won the bidding. But I guess anything is possible.

      • cur68 - Dec 19, 2011 at 3:28 PM

        See, now you’re being smug, too. Great. This pretty much does it: if the Blue Jays aren’t the team with the winning bid I’m going into full sour grapes mode.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Dec 19, 2011 at 3:38 PM

        Cur,
        Take it easy. Wrestle with a Beaver or something. You are very uptight regarding this Darvish character.

      • cur68 - Dec 19, 2011 at 3:47 PM

        Yeah, yeah, says the guy who’s team is STACKED with pitching…one of whom I feel compelled to point out is Roy Halladay, former Blue Jays prospect, starting pitcher and all around ace.

        Actually, I’m more bent over eye surgery tomorrow and having to wait up to 5 days before I can find out who won the rights to negotiate with Darvish. I wanna know NOW, so I can relax for a few days.

      • Ari Collins - Dec 19, 2011 at 3:57 PM

        Should know who won the bidding before your surgery, my friend. Announcement in a few hours.

      • bozosforall - Dec 19, 2011 at 7:40 PM

        cur68 – Dec 19, 2011 at 3:47 PM
        Yeah, yeah, says the guy who’s team is STACKED with pitching…one of whom I feel compelled to point out is Roy Halladay, former Blue Jays prospect, starting pitcher and all around ace.

        Actually, I’m more bent over eye surgery tomorrow and having to wait up to 5 days before I can find out who won the rights to negotiate with Darvish. I wanna know NOW, so I can relax for a few days.

        __
        All you have to do is ask one of your real-life friends to find out for you…then again, judging from the fact that you are on here 24-7, you don’t have any real-life friends, so I guess you will just have to wait those five days after all.

      • cur68 - Dec 19, 2011 at 9:02 PM

        H’lo there bozo. How kind of you to worry for my social and mental health. I’m touched. Lemme ‘splain: The trouble is the baseball. I live in hockey-ville. NONE of my buddies give a crap about baseball. We talk hockey. We play hockey. We even get in hockey fights (if you ever want a demo on how to fight on skates I’ll be glad to show you: think about starting a reluctant chainsaw. You’re the chainsaw and my fist is trying to start your head). Hence, since I live for baseball, golf, and summer time, if I want a baseball fix I gotta go to HBT. Decades of being a lonely baseball fan washed away by the friendly non-judgemental baseball fans: its just lovely.

        As to me being here 24/7…just checked: you haven’t missed any days since you started yapping away on this blog. Projecting again, eh?

    • JBerardi - Dec 19, 2011 at 3:40 PM

      You’re assuming a lot of things you don’t actually know. Chief among them, Darvish’s level of performance.

      Honestly, if the Rangers bring him in, I think that speaks volumes. That organization has had an extremely sharp eye for pitching in recent years. Shit, if they found Colby Lewis in Japan and saw him as an MLB starter…

      • drmonkeyarmy - Dec 19, 2011 at 4:13 PM

        That is probably the most intelligent thing I have read regarding Darvish. Well done.

      • Richard In Big D - Dec 19, 2011 at 8:27 PM

        Colby Lewis had a cup of coffee at he Major league level with the Rangers at the very beginning of his career before being traded around, dumped, and then going to Japan. Everybody’s different in how and where they develop. Maybe Darvish will only get better than he is now, and maybe he’ll tank. But I can’t think of anyone better than Ryan to have making that prediction.

  8. spytdi - Dec 19, 2011 at 3:03 PM

    It was months ago that the Rangers were rumored to be after Darvish. This is nothing new. C.J. wanted to pitch at home and the Angels were willing to pay him to help that reality come true. Darvish has a higher ceiling because his age and they bring in another fan base, The Japanese, to sell their product. Good move IMO.

  9. ltzep75 - Dec 19, 2011 at 5:19 PM

    Hat tip to Craig for his “Miller’s Crossing” quote. I chuckled thinking of AL Execs as chief ODoole. Is this germane to the discussion? Probably not. But asking that question on these boards is about as foolish as a man chasing his hat.

  10. purnellmeagrejr - Dec 19, 2011 at 8:44 PM

    How much does it cost for a farm system to develop a comparable prospect? This guy is a way behind Strasburg in terms of a prospect – what young pitcher might be be compared to?

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