Comments on: Wait, might the Rangers have won the Darvish bidding? http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/19/wait-might-the-rangers-have-won-the-darvish-bidding/ Baseball. Baseball. And then a bit more baseball. Sat, 25 May 2013 09:25:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: sportsdrenched.com http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/19/wait-might-the-rangers-have-won-the-darvish-bidding/comment-page-1/#comment-239111 Tue, 20 Dec 2011 16:37:35 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=103894#comment-239111 These things aren’t decided on attendance or even how good a team is. It’s the same reason college football conferences are re-aligning. It’s about market size and TV sets. DFW is huge, and is expected to get huger by 20% during the life of the contract. I’ve long thought the Rangers were sleeping big market giants, and it looks like they are waking up.

]]> By: cur68 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/19/wait-might-the-rangers-have-won-the-darvish-bidding/comment-page-1/#comment-238809 Tue, 20 Dec 2011 02:02:11 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=103894#comment-238809 H’lo there bozo. How kind of you to worry for my social and mental health. I’m touched. Lemme ‘splain: The trouble is the baseball. I live in hockey-ville. NONE of my buddies give a crap about baseball. We talk hockey. We play hockey. We even get in hockey fights (if you ever want a demo on how to fight on skates I’ll be glad to show you: think about starting a reluctant chainsaw. You’re the chainsaw and my fist is trying to start your head). Hence, since I live for baseball, golf, and summer time, if I want a baseball fix I gotta go to HBT. Decades of being a lonely baseball fan washed away by the friendly non-judgemental baseball fans: its just lovely.

As to me being here 24/7…just checked: you haven’t missed any days since you started yapping away on this blog. Projecting again, eh?

]]> By: purnellmeagrejr http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/19/wait-might-the-rangers-have-won-the-darvish-bidding/comment-page-1/#comment-238795 Tue, 20 Dec 2011 01:44:37 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=103894#comment-238795 How much does it cost for a farm system to develop a comparable prospect? This guy is a way behind Strasburg in terms of a prospect – what young pitcher might be be compared to?

]]> By: Richard In Big D http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/19/wait-might-the-rangers-have-won-the-darvish-bidding/comment-page-1/#comment-238782 Tue, 20 Dec 2011 01:27:20 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=103894#comment-238782 Colby Lewis had a cup of coffee at he Major league level with the Rangers at the very beginning of his career before being traded around, dumped, and then going to Japan. Everybody’s different in how and where they develop. Maybe Darvish will only get better than he is now, and maybe he’ll tank. But I can’t think of anyone better than Ryan to have making that prediction.

]]> By: Richard In Big D http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/19/wait-might-the-rangers-have-won-the-darvish-bidding/comment-page-1/#comment-238781 Tue, 20 Dec 2011 01:21:44 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=103894#comment-238781 I think the Rangers would have had to put uo 100 million to win over the Angels 75 on CJ. He wants to play at home. I live here in Dallas, but I grew up at the beach in NJ. While I prefer it here to there, NJ isn’t SoCal.

]]> By: Richard In Big D http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/19/wait-might-the-rangers-have-won-the-darvish-bidding/comment-page-1/#comment-238779 Tue, 20 Dec 2011 01:18:51 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=103894#comment-238779 The Rangers have the advantage of having a guy around that knows his pitching to make those decisions. Name’s Ryan. Nolan Ryan.

]]> By: Richard In Big D http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/19/wait-might-the-rangers-have-won-the-darvish-bidding/comment-page-1/#comment-238776 Tue, 20 Dec 2011 01:16:21 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=103894#comment-238776 As a baseball fanatic for a half century, and a 20 year resident of DFW and Ranger fan, I simply can’t see why a sports network would spend that kind of money for Rangers rights. Yeah, the past couple of years have been GREAT, and, this being the capital of Bandwagon Nation, Rangers attemdamce and ratings have been up up up. It’s still a fairly easy ticket to get. History tells me, though, that when this run is over and “rebuilding” becomes the buzzword of the day in Arlington yet again, those riding the bandwagon (and I suspect they are MANY) will be back to doing their sweating at any of the many area lakes rather than at the ballpark, and American Idol reruns will suck in those who are not true fans of the game. Time will tell, I suppose, if that kind of money is warranted, and I suppose someone at Fox will be either a very big hero or a very big goat.

]]> By: bozosforall http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/19/wait-might-the-rangers-have-won-the-darvish-bidding/comment-page-1/#comment-238768 Tue, 20 Dec 2011 00:40:38 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=103894#comment-238768 cur68 – Dec 19, 2011 at 3:47 PM
Yeah, yeah, says the guy who’s team is STACKED with pitching…one of whom I feel compelled to point out is Roy Halladay, former Blue Jays prospect, starting pitcher and all around ace.

Actually, I’m more bent over eye surgery tomorrow and having to wait up to 5 days before I can find out who won the rights to negotiate with Darvish. I wanna know NOW, so I can relax for a few days.

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All you have to do is ask one of your real-life friends to find out for you…then again, judging from the fact that you are on here 24-7, you don’t have any real-life friends, so I guess you will just have to wait those five days after all.

]]> By: Kevin S. http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/19/wait-might-the-rangers-have-won-the-darvish-bidding/comment-page-1/#comment-238765 Tue, 20 Dec 2011 00:07:23 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=103894#comment-238765 I thought that one was attributed to PT Barnum.

]]> By: steelersfan1983 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/19/wait-might-the-rangers-have-won-the-darvish-bidding/comment-page-1/#comment-238761 Mon, 19 Dec 2011 23:51:31 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=103894#comment-238761 Very true jwbiii! I was just pointing to the point of his career in which mrfloydpink was referring to when saying I missed out on 20 years of inflation.

]]> By: jwbiii http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/19/wait-might-the-rangers-have-won-the-darvish-bidding/comment-page-1/#comment-238751 Mon, 19 Dec 2011 23:07:41 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=103894#comment-238751 steelersfan1983, You’re missing:
2006 Houston Astros $12,250,000 ($22,000,000 pro-rated to 6/21/06 contract purchase)
2007 New York Yankees $17,400,000 ($28,000,000 pro-rated to 6/9/07 contract purchase)

The 2004 contract also included the post-retirement 10 year personal services contract of unknown value. Does that get transferred with the sale of the club? Does Clemens play golf with Drayton McLane and his buddies or wax McLane’s car or was this transferred to Jim Crane?

]]> By: ltzep75 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/19/wait-might-the-rangers-have-won-the-darvish-bidding/comment-page-1/#comment-238735 Mon, 19 Dec 2011 22:19:09 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=103894#comment-238735 Hat tip to Craig for his “Miller’s Crossing” quote. I chuckled thinking of AL Execs as chief ODoole. Is this germane to the discussion? Probably not. But asking that question on these boards is about as foolish as a man chasing his hat.

]]> By: steelersfan1983 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/19/wait-might-the-rangers-have-won-the-darvish-bidding/comment-page-1/#comment-238719 Mon, 19 Dec 2011 21:49:11 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=103894#comment-238719 It was sarcasm. Nothing natural about Clemens. Also, if you think Wilson will be anywhere near Clemens synthetic talent, you my friend must be high….

Oh, and yes he did make 18 mil that year but was that a little ridiculous even for him? You tell me

1995 Boston Red Sox $5,655,250
1996 Boston Red Sox $5,500,000
1997 Toronto Blue Jays $8,400,000
1998 Toronto Blue Jays $8,550,000
1999 New York Yankees $8,250,000
2000 New York Yankees $6,350,000
2001 New York Yankees $10,300,000
2002 New York Yankees $10,300,000
2003 New York Yankees $10,100,000
2004 Houston Astros $5,000,000
2005 Houston Astros $18,000,000
Total $121,001,000

]]> By: drmonkeyarmy http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/19/wait-might-the-rangers-have-won-the-darvish-bidding/comment-page-1/#comment-238709 Mon, 19 Dec 2011 21:13:08 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=103894#comment-238709 That is probably the most intelligent thing I have read regarding Darvish. Well done.

]]> By: Ari Collins http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/19/wait-might-the-rangers-have-won-the-darvish-bidding/comment-page-1/#comment-238703 Mon, 19 Dec 2011 20:57:22 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=103894#comment-238703 Should know who won the bidding before your surgery, my friend. Announcement in a few hours.

]]> By: cur68 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/19/wait-might-the-rangers-have-won-the-darvish-bidding/comment-page-1/#comment-238699 Mon, 19 Dec 2011 20:47:16 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=103894#comment-238699 Yeah, yeah, says the guy who’s team is STACKED with pitching…one of whom I feel compelled to point out is Roy Halladay, former Blue Jays prospect, starting pitcher and all around ace.

Actually, I’m more bent over eye surgery tomorrow and having to wait up to 5 days before I can find out who won the rights to negotiate with Darvish. I wanna know NOW, so I can relax for a few days.

]]> By: JBerardi http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/19/wait-might-the-rangers-have-won-the-darvish-bidding/comment-page-1/#comment-238697 Mon, 19 Dec 2011 20:40:56 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=103894#comment-238697 You’re assuming a lot of things you don’t actually know. Chief among them, Darvish’s level of performance.

Honestly, if the Rangers bring him in, I think that speaks volumes. That organization has had an extremely sharp eye for pitching in recent years. Shit, if they found Colby Lewis in Japan and saw him as an MLB starter…

]]> By: drmonkeyarmy http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/19/wait-might-the-rangers-have-won-the-darvish-bidding/comment-page-1/#comment-238696 Mon, 19 Dec 2011 20:38:04 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=103894#comment-238696 Cur,
Take it easy. Wrestle with a Beaver or something. You are very uptight regarding this Darvish character.

]]> By: cur68 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/19/wait-might-the-rangers-have-won-the-darvish-bidding/comment-page-1/#comment-238695 Mon, 19 Dec 2011 20:28:25 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=103894#comment-238695 See, now you’re being smug, too. Great. This pretty much does it: if the Blue Jays aren’t the team with the winning bid I’m going into full sour grapes mode.

]]> By: sportsdrenched.com http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/19/wait-might-the-rangers-have-won-the-darvish-bidding/comment-page-1/#comment-238691 Mon, 19 Dec 2011 20:24:34 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=103894#comment-238691 Here you go:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/texas-rangers/headlines/20100927-Rangers-new-20-year-2344.ece

I suspect the Rangers & Angels will lock horns again in the future for big name free agents.

]]> By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/19/wait-might-the-rangers-have-won-the-darvish-bidding/comment-page-1/#comment-238687 Mon, 19 Dec 2011 20:21:57 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=103894#comment-238687 And that’s over 10 games not nine, I give up

]]> By: mrfloydpink http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/19/wait-might-the-rangers-have-won-the-darvish-bidding/comment-page-1/#comment-238686 Mon, 19 Dec 2011 20:20:35 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=103894#comment-238686 Wow, steelerfan, way to totally ignore the inflation that has taken place in baseball contracts in the last 20 years. At 42, Clemens got $18 million, so it seems that the price of pitching talent has gone way, way up.

]]> By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/19/wait-might-the-rangers-have-won-the-darvish-bidding/comment-page-1/#comment-238684 Mon, 19 Dec 2011 20:20:11 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=103894#comment-238684 Doh make that 3.45 ERA, stupid excel

]]> By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/19/wait-might-the-rangers-have-won-the-darvish-bidding/comment-page-1/#comment-238683 Mon, 19 Dec 2011 20:19:26 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=103894#comment-238683

10 playoff games–without question a large enough sample size

Wha!?!?!?

Reminds me of another scrub who went 1-2 with a 4.12 ERA in his first nine playoff starts. A fella named Clemens.

My math says he went 2-2 with a 3.51 ERA. Also, the bulk of his 24 ER in those 10 starts, 7 to be exact was the first game he ever pitched in the playoffs. Game 2 he went 8.1IP with 3 ER, and Game 3 he went 7IP 1 ER.

]]> By: uyf1950 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/19/wait-might-the-rangers-have-won-the-darvish-bidding/comment-page-1/#comment-238678 Mon, 19 Dec 2011 20:04:39 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=103894#comment-238678 I’d be very surprised if the Yankees won the bidding. But I guess anything is possible.

]]> By: spytdi http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/19/wait-might-the-rangers-have-won-the-darvish-bidding/comment-page-1/#comment-238677 Mon, 19 Dec 2011 20:03:37 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=103894#comment-238677 It was months ago that the Rangers were rumored to be after Darvish. This is nothing new. C.J. wanted to pitch at home and the Angels were willing to pay him to help that reality come true. Darvish has a higher ceiling because his age and they bring in another fan base, The Japanese, to sell their product. Good move IMO.

]]> By: cur68 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/19/wait-might-the-rangers-have-won-the-darvish-bidding/comment-page-1/#comment-238676 Mon, 19 Dec 2011 19:59:30 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=103894#comment-238676 I’ve already prepared myself or the worst: he’ll be a Yankee. Len will be very smug about it if Darvish is a Yankee. That’ll be the worse thing. The smugness.

]]> By: steelersfan1983 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/19/wait-might-the-rangers-have-won-the-darvish-bidding/comment-page-1/#comment-238672 Mon, 19 Dec 2011 19:54:06 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=103894#comment-238672 At 36 Clemens made somewhere around $8 mil. At 36 Wilson will get about $20 mil. So hopefully his natural talents are as good as Clemens.

]]> By: cyanocittacristata http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/19/wait-might-the-rangers-have-won-the-darvish-bidding/comment-page-1/#comment-238668 Mon, 19 Dec 2011 19:47:18 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=103894#comment-238668 My worst fears may be coming true. One can just imagine Nolan Ryan watching the Darvish Yu tube K reel, frothing with a crotch rocket and muttering “Bet the farm!”.

The Jays after Latos is either an indication that they know they didn’t bet enough, or maybe hoping to use Latos as leverage in a 3way trade for a big bat. You’d almost think AA asked Jocketty what it would take to get a package including Yonder or maybe just Votto.

Maybe I’m reading too much into this… but maybe someone could have connected the dots and cut out the middle man, just sayin’.

If the Rangers win, who do I blame for all this stink? The Puhols, that’s who.

]]> By: winkeroni http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/19/wait-might-the-rangers-have-won-the-darvish-bidding/comment-page-1/#comment-238667 Mon, 19 Dec 2011 19:43:50 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=103894#comment-238667 I misread that. I thought you wrote a felon named Clemens.

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