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Apparently “toughness” was the Red Sox’ biggest problem in 2011

Jan 4, 2012, 12:29 PM EST

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Word count in the latest column from Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe about the new values Bobby Valentine plans to instill in the Red Sox:

  • Some variation of the word “tough”: 26
  • Some reference to running out ground balls: 6
  • “grit”:  3
  • “Punto”: 2
  • Mentions of the quality of the starting pitching: 0
  • Mentions of the pitchers’ “shenanigans”: 1

Ah, the offseason. When a 90-win team’s failure to make the playoffs can be cast as a function of grit, determination and a Punto deficit disorder, and nothing that actually happened on the diamond.

  1. dluxxx - Jan 4, 2012 at 12:34 PM

    “Punto deficit disorder.”

    I love it. Maybe that’s what the Twins problem was last season…

    • jwbiii - Jan 4, 2012 at 12:38 PM

      I think the Mauer and Morneau deficit disorders were more likely causes.

    • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Jan 4, 2012 at 1:14 PM

      Last season, 100% of teams suffering from PDD failed to win the WS, and 100% of teams not suffering from PSS won it. You can’t argue against stats.

      • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Jan 4, 2012 at 1:16 PM

        That should be PDD in both clauses. Stupid keyboard…

    • 78mu - Jan 4, 2012 at 8:27 PM

      Did anyone else notice that it wasn’t until he played with Punto that Pujols got offered his massive contract? Sure Pujols could always hit but now that he’s been Puntoized someone decided he was worth more than 25 million a year.

      Think what he will do for Ortiz.

  2. watchthethrone92 - Jan 4, 2012 at 12:36 PM

    I dont even think ESPN will give the soxs the paper championship this year…

    • thinman61 - Jan 4, 2012 at 12:59 PM

      ESPN and Fox will just go back to awarding the paper championship to the Yankees like they usually do.

      • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Jan 4, 2012 at 1:16 PM

        Rangers are the new darling.

      • watchthethrone92 - Jan 4, 2012 at 6:14 PM

        Just wanted to share with you this link so you can eat ur bias boston blabber

        http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/preview/2011/news/story?page=11expertpicks

    • bozosforall - Jan 4, 2012 at 2:53 PM

      Maybe ESPN can give the Red Sox the PED championship…like the ones that they won in 2004 and 2007.

      • JBerardi - Jan 4, 2012 at 3:16 PM

        I’d like to point out that the Yankees most recent dynasty occurred during the absolute hight of the steroid era.

      • baseballisboring - Jan 4, 2012 at 3:42 PM

        What was your mother’s drink of choice during pregnancy?

      • bozosforall - Jan 6, 2012 at 4:24 PM

        Point all you want to, JRetardi…but since the two Red Sox players who were most responsible for the 2004/2007 success, Manny and Ortiz, were both shown to have tested positive…and none of the Yankees from the dynasty years ever did…your team wins the PED championship by a mile.

  3. butchhuskey - Jan 4, 2012 at 12:37 PM

    Apparently what the Sox really need is Rooster Cogburn. Valentine said that toughness is important when the level of play is below “true grit.”

    • CJ - Jan 4, 2012 at 12:40 PM

      sad thing is about 40% of the people on here probably have no idea what you just said.

      • butchhuskey - Jan 4, 2012 at 12:42 PM

        It’s even more sad when you realize that the Coen Brothers remake came out as recently as late 2010.

      • cur68 - Jan 4, 2012 at 1:13 PM

        Got it on the first read through, thank you very much. And to pluto with the Coens: I read the book. (This concludes my self aggrandizing comments for the day. Thank you)

    • nolanwiffle - Jan 5, 2012 at 9:55 AM

      ….well I dig your style too, man. Got the whole cowboy thing goin’.

  4. anotheryx - Jan 4, 2012 at 12:38 PM

    Well it makes perfect sense in that in that those are thing Bobby V can actually pretend to be work on, as opposed to quality starting pitchers, which is Lucchino’s area of experty.

  5. uyf1950 - Jan 4, 2012 at 12:42 PM

    What seems to be missing in most all blogger pieces when they talk about the Red Sox 2011 season and they talk about their 90 wins. Most seem to have selective memory loss the Red Sox started the month of September with 83 wins. When a team like the 2011 Red Sox goes 7-20 for the month a .259 winning percentage and the only MLB team that had a worse record for the month of September was the Twins I believe. There is a lot more wrong than just not running out ground balls or being tough enough or lacking grit.

    At least that’s my opinion.

    • paperlions - Jan 4, 2012 at 12:52 PM

      You mean….like most of the starting rotation being hurt, and many key offensive players being hurt? I wonder how in the word a team could ever get their players healthy.

      FWIW, Punto missed most of last year with injuries…he doesn’t seem so tough.

      • uyf1950 - Jan 4, 2012 at 1:19 PM

        Were those starting pitchers you are referring to only out of the line up in Sept.? Buchholz was out well before Sept. In fact he was out from the middle of June on. I don’t have to remind anyone how long Lackey and Dice K missed. They were out of action well before September. Sorry but your argument about the injuries to pitchers as a reason for their September demise doesn’t hold water. If it was the injuries to their starting rotation they would NOT have had the June, July and August they had.

        As for injuries to key offensive players as the reason for their September demise the same holds true there. Gonzalez, Pedoria, Scutaro, Crawford, Salty, Ortiz and Ellsbury all played the entire month of September. Even Youkilis played the 1st 15 days of September. Sorry just I don’t see that as the reason for the poor September performance.

        Just my opinion but I think the answer is much more simple. Players like Lester, Beckett, Crawford, Bard and Papelbon and even Gonzalez in the month of September just couldn’t and didn’t get the job done.

      • thinman61 - Jan 4, 2012 at 1:37 PM

        Lackey made 5 starts for the Sox in September.

      • uyf1950 - Jan 4, 2012 at 1:51 PM

        Thinman – Thank you, I stand corrected. But that even cast more doubt on paperlions rational.

      • thinman61 - Jan 4, 2012 at 2:28 PM

        UYF, here are the Red Sox’s pythagorean splits broken down by month (Apr/May/Jun/Jul/Aug/Sep).

        RS: 107/156/152/171/143/146
        RA: 113/125/95/110/122/172

        The Red Sox’s slow start in April was due to a problem with scoring runs, which they fixed as the weather got warmer. Their atrocious finish in September came from an inability to keep their opponents off the board, which is primarily a pitching problem, and secondarily an issue with defense.

      • Josh - Jan 4, 2012 at 2:38 PM

        Any claim that Adrian Gonzalez didn’t get the job done in September is a false one. Go look at the splits. The guy had a .977 OPS in Sept/Oct, which is better than what he had the two months prior. Stop bagging on the guys who produced and instead look at the shotty staff they traipsed out there to end the season.

      • uyf1950 - Jan 4, 2012 at 2:41 PM

        thinman, all I can tell you is when a team goes 20-6 in the month of July and then goes 7-20 in Sept. It’s more than just pitching and some poor defensive plays. And it definitely is more than “lack of toughness”.

        BTW of those 20 losses in Sept. the Red Sox scored 4 runs or less in 15 games (and in 8 of those 15 they scored 2 runs or less). That was as much the problem as anything else. In my opinion.

      • bozosforall - Jan 4, 2012 at 2:48 PM

        It’s simple, uyf. They CHOKED…biggest choke in sports history.

      • Ari Collins - Jan 4, 2012 at 3:53 PM

        “more than pitching”? Pitching and defense are half the game. When you have massive injuries and a threadbare pitching staff, it’s going to really cost you. You don’t really need a complicated theory to explain this.

      • protius - Jan 4, 2012 at 5:27 PM

        Josh, your comments are a little confusing. As far as I know, bagging is a woven material made of hemp or jute and used as a bag or sack. Could you explain how bagging relates to “guys who produced”. Also, can I assume that shotty means shoddy? Thanks for your time.

    • thinman61 - Jan 4, 2012 at 12:57 PM

      I think it has something to do with the number of September games started by Andrew Miller, Kyle Weiland, John Lackey, and the ghost of Tim Wakefield. Just a hunch.

      • deathmonkey41 - Jan 4, 2012 at 1:35 PM

        You’re thinking too hard about this- attrocious pitching had nothing to do with it. There were softening agents in that friend chicken they were eating.

      • roverboy1949 - Jan 4, 2012 at 1:48 PM

        If Lackey had only started 3 games in Sept, the Sox would have won the wild card by 1 game

    • bozosforall - Jan 4, 2012 at 2:51 PM

      It’s simple, uyf. They CHOKED…biggest choke in sports history.

      • sandpiperair - Jan 4, 2012 at 4:31 PM

        No way was it bigger than the 2004 playoff choke job.

      • bozosforall - Jan 4, 2012 at 7:37 PM

        It was WAY BIGGER…a WHOLE MONTH of choking, as opposed to a week. But keep on telling yourself otherwise, fan of a team that choked away World Series chances for 86 years. The Yankees will ALWAYS own the Red Sox.

      • Ari Collins - Jan 4, 2012 at 9:30 PM

        They’ll always own the Red Sox. Except, you know. This century.

      • sandpiperair - Jan 4, 2012 at 9:44 PM

        So the Mariners “choked” all season, so that’s even bigger, right? No– playoff choke is worse than regular season choke. No doubt.

      • bozosforall - Jan 6, 2012 at 4:27 PM

        Playoff choke? You mean like the Red Sox against the Mets in 1986? Or the Red Sox in any year, playoffs or otherwise, from 1920 – 2003?

        Please, child..the Red Sox are the biggest chokers of all-time.

  6. unclemosesgreen - Jan 4, 2012 at 12:48 PM

    It takes a tough man to make tender fried chicken.

  7. bobdira - Jan 4, 2012 at 12:52 PM

    I can’t think of a personality less suited to be the manager of the Sox than Bobby V. Don’t get me wrong, with the right bunch, he’d do just fine. But I can see his ego and style rubbing some of the proven vets on this team the wrong way.

    The only guy you’ll be able to count on in this lineup is Pedroia and it doesn’t matter who is managing. God, I wish the Rays had that guy!!!!!!

    • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Jan 4, 2012 at 1:23 PM

      Perhaps a wrong-way-rubbing is what some of the ‘proven vets’ need. Francona was a master of handling vets and egos, and he admitted that he lost the team.

      You also can’t worry too much about pissing off guys like Beckett and Youk. They are constantly pissed off anyway.

  8. kopy - Jan 4, 2012 at 12:53 PM

    But can they play baseball?

    • kopy - Jan 4, 2012 at 12:54 PM

      …was my response to this:

      “They have a first baseman who wants to play every game. They have a second baseman who never gives up on anything. The shortstop plays in pain. The third baseman is as intense as anyone in the game. The catcher (Jarrod Saltalamacchia) can take a beating. The left fielder plays hard. The center fielder shed his image of not being tough with a tremendous breakout season. Right field, we don’t know, but the future player, Ryan Kalish, might almost be too tough and the former one (J.D. Drew) wasn’t tough enough.”

      Messed up the quote.

      • butchhuskey - Jan 4, 2012 at 12:58 PM

        Ryan Kalish is “almost too tough”? What the hell does that even mean?

      • cur68 - Jan 4, 2012 at 1:17 PM

        JD Drew catches alligators. He has this story of considering jumping in after one that his son’s fishing line caught in its mouth. He had a knife and was JD “Effin” Drew so he considered it a fair fight. I don’t know about you, but to me, that sounds kind of tough.

  9. mojosmagic - Jan 4, 2012 at 1:19 PM

    Valentine is one big mouth mistake waiting to happen. He just isn’t a good fit for a veteran team like Boston. Most of those guys were winners without the likes of Bobby Valentine chewing their asses out everyday.

  10. spudchukar - Jan 4, 2012 at 1:19 PM

    It is popular on this site to dis utility types like Punto, often times justifiably so, but Punto is not just a “gritty, scrappy, tough” player. Certainly he incorporates those values, which only makes him more valuable, but he is one excellent defender. St. Louis would not be flying the championship flag without him. Plus, he posted a 127 OPS+. Sure it was a high water mark, and one could question his ability to attain that level again, but even as an average hitter he is a plus to a team that believes they are in the chase.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jan 4, 2012 at 2:01 PM

      Plus, he posted a 127 OPS+. Sure it was a high water mark, and one could question his ability to attain that level again, but even as an average hitter he is a plus to a team that believes they are in the chase.

      He’s only ever broken 100 in 5 PA in ’01. He’s a career 76 OPS+ hitter, so average is being too kind. Even last year, his 127 OPS+ season was only over 166 PA. Looking further we get this:

      H – .200/.333/.250
      A – .342/.435/.562

      Both are split over almost the same # of games (31H/32A), did he manage to hit only in Coors field or something?

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jan 4, 2012 at 6:39 PM

        You criticize analysis based on a limited number at plate appearances, then draw conclusions from the same data. Brilliant.

        Actually that’s not what I was saying at all. What I said simply is that over 2800 PA he never had an OPS+ that was league average. Then in 166 PA sample size, he manages to eek out a 127 OPS+. That’s all I’m commenting on. You mentioned multiple times he was a league average hitter, which he has never been.

        The H/A splits were for shits and giggles. I’m not drawing anything based on a 32G sample size, and if you follow anything I’ve written here you’d know that to be true. It’s more of, wtf was this guy doing since he basically hit like an early 90s Barry Bonds.

      • spudchukar - Jan 5, 2012 at 11:17 AM

        Multiple times? Really? Shits and Giggles, how convenient.

    • spudchukar - Jan 4, 2012 at 2:45 PM

      You criticize analysis based on a limited number at plate appearances, then draw conclusions from the same data. Brilliant.

      What is the point of your comment?

      • paperlions - Jan 4, 2012 at 3:01 PM

        The Point is that Punto is horrendous at the plate and last year he simply had a bit of extra luck….it is far more likely that he’ll be a 70 OPS+ player next year than a 120 OPS+ player. Is he a great fielder? Sure, is he a giant hole in just about anyone’s lineup? Yep. He is fine as the 25 man on the roster….but if you are depending on Punto to start for any period of time…well….that’s going to be bad.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jan 4, 2012 at 6:39 PM

        What is the point of your comment?

        sigh, see above. reply fail on my part.

  11. deathmonkey41 - Jan 4, 2012 at 1:20 PM

    If Punto increases the Red Sox toughness, wouldn’t he then be considered a PED?

  12. Jonny 5 - Jan 4, 2012 at 1:22 PM

    This was also the biggest problem for Steak in 2011 as well. I recommend staying off the steroids and slow cooking over an open flame. That’s my rule for ending the biggest problem for steaks in 2011. The Red Sox would probably need to do the opposite actually since their problem was “a lack of”.

    • cur68 - Jan 4, 2012 at 1:43 PM

      I suggest a beer based marinade, especially if your steak had been previously frozen (hey, its winter here: stuff happens). Add a little salt & sugar and use a dark beer (Guinness is perfect). Save the marinade for a baste with each turn of the steak. Don’t throw out the marinade but add corn starch (as a roux) with garlic, salt and chili (flakes, powder, or actual chillies: it don’t matter), thin with beef stock (about 2:1 marinade to stock), bring to a boil till it thickens, serve as “love gravy” over meat loaf.

      • b7p19 - Jan 4, 2012 at 2:00 PM

        Consider it done.

      • Jonny 5 - Jan 4, 2012 at 2:02 PM

        Dude! that’s basically my marinade recipe (except I have lots of Montreal seasoning in mine) and method for all steak that isn’t called ” porterhouse, t-bone, NY strip, filet mignon, or ribeye” ( I hate to wash out the real steak flavor if it isn’t needed). Basically any steak I determine to be “tough steak” gets that treatment from me. Sometimes when I buy London Broil in the big double pack, I marinade two at once for a couple days then freeze one with half of the marinade and cook the other. Also I use this marinade (2 days soaking) and basting method for my famous (in my own mind anyway) blackened chicken breasts on the grill (just slightly blackened around edges). Try it and you’ll never want chicken made differently. Lot’s of bbq compliments and never having leftovers tell me so.

      • cur68 - Jan 4, 2012 at 2:07 PM

        If you’ve never tried that marinade with roast beef I HIGHLY recommend it. I’m gonna have a go at the chicken breast this weekend. Thanks.

      • Jonny 5 - Jan 4, 2012 at 2:17 PM

        Great idea on the Roast Cur. I have to try it now. I must. And the chicken never lets me down. After my first batch of ale is finished lagering I may use some for the roast… If here’s any left that is…

      • cur68 - Jan 4, 2012 at 2:37 PM

        b7: with the roux, there’s ways and there’s ways, y’know? You can go cornstarch & water and make a slurry. BUT that’s a touch lazy (not really a roux, either, but I digress). A true roux gives much better flavor but is a demanding and cold hearted mistress. If you go in for demanding and cold hearted, then let me ‘splain how to make this work. Use about half butter/half flour. Completely melt the butter first and let it sizzle just a little. Add the flour a little at a time and start mixing with a whisk immediately. Let it get just a little brown, then add a small amount of marinade & beef stock, mix it in and when it gets thicker, add a little more and so on. Whisk like your life depended on it. The result is incomparable to the cornstarch method. And you’ll look like a total stud with the cooking. Bon appetit.

      • paperlions - Jan 4, 2012 at 3:05 PM

        Each turn of the steak? You mean, once? Because that is how many times a steak needs be turned. A good hot sear, flip, good hot sear, done.

      • badmamainphilliesjamas - Jan 4, 2012 at 3:30 PM

        HBT . . . come for the baseball, stay for the recipes!
        You’ve inspired me.

      • cur68 - Jan 4, 2012 at 4:14 PM

        ‘lions old chap, my steaks tend to be around 2 inches thick (3 inches at least for fillet mignon). On a slow cook, that takes a bit more time and trouble to do properly unless you like it blue. Now, I’m not gonna tell another dude how to take his steak, but I tend to go in for medium rare m’self. Sounds like you’re more of a ‘rare’ (read that: raw and mooing) cat. Granted, you might enjoy a dinner that looks like a homicide but I’m a bit more peaceful at meal times (clearly we’re having a cat and dog discussion here).

        Now, raw meat eating isn’t for the faint of heart (or blocked of artery). Your chances of toxoplasmosis infection go up. Not that toxo is a necessarily horrible thing. Your risk-taking behaviour goes up a bit I’ve heard but its a pretty benign beast if you aren’t a mouse. Unless you get pregnant and then acquire the toxo. Then you got a problem.

        Damn, I’m hungry…

  13. hushbrother - Jan 4, 2012 at 1:23 PM

    Of course. The Cardinals had Nick Punto and the Red Sox didn’t. That was the difference. But for that, their roles would have been reversed.

    • bozosforall - Jan 4, 2012 at 2:44 PM

      Yeah, the Red Sox didn’t have Punto…but they did have a bunch of putas on the team.

  14. luckywi - Jan 4, 2012 at 1:48 PM

    Hilarious that they are talking toughness, after signing Silva. I watched this guy pull himself from a game TWICE in Minnesota. One after getting tired running the bases, and another time because he had an upset stomach. Tough guy, there.

    • luckywi - Jan 4, 2012 at 9:10 PM

      Literally pulled HIMSELF from two games. Said he was tired, and next time said he had an upset tummy. Gamer.

  15. deathmonkey41 - Jan 4, 2012 at 1:54 PM

    BTW, did anyone notice when he was doing the toughness rollcall for the entire team, Big Sissy was not mentioned? I wonder if that’s because he cried like a little girl when Sabbathia hit him last year after his team led the league in hit batsmen.

    • bozosforall - Jan 4, 2012 at 2:43 PM

      You got that right, deathmonkey. Figures, given that both the team and the fans there have no problem dishing it but can’t take it.

  16. mattjg - Jan 4, 2012 at 2:30 PM

    Wouldn’t it have been faster for Cafardo to type, “It’s all Carl Crawford’s fault.” Although, in Boston, I suppose it’s progress that the racism is coded now.

  17. evanhartford - Jan 4, 2012 at 2:36 PM

    Craig, did we get any “scrappy” sightings? They usually apply that one to Dustin Pedroia…

  18. bozosforall - Jan 4, 2012 at 2:42 PM

    Wussiest team in MLB.

    • bozosforall - Jan 4, 2012 at 3:17 PM

      And the thumbs down button will confirm that they also have the biggest crybabies as fans.

      • Ari Collins - Jan 4, 2012 at 3:56 PM

        Or that it’s a baseless attack on the Red Sox? And that’s very nearly all you ever post?

      • bozosforall - Jan 4, 2012 at 7:40 PM

        Baseless attack? Please, child…baseless attacks have been the Red Sox fans’ stock in trade for nearly a century now. Thanks for confirming that you and the rest of your fellow fan base are nothing but whiners.

  19. 13yrsmlbvet - Jan 4, 2012 at 2:45 PM

    The slide started in Texas when ownership contacted the players to address the hurricane coming into Boston. They wanted to play a DH on Friday after the team landed at 6 am from the road trip. Sunday’s game would be moved to 1 pm Friday, then the normal night game would follow as well as the regularly scheduled Saturday game. The players were infuriated that ownership would ask them to play 7 hours after an all night flight and early morning touchdown. At that point they collectively said screw the owners and went into shut down mode the rest of the season. The players have no trust or respect for their owners. I know. I was there.

    • bozosforall - Jan 4, 2012 at 3:16 PM

      Who are you? The team ball washer?

  20. posterkid88 - Jan 4, 2012 at 3:15 PM

    Suffice to say, Bobby Valentine has his Joe McEwing. If he can only get ahold of a modern day Benny Agbayani, the Sox will be unstoppable!

  21. wlschneider09 - Jan 4, 2012 at 3:59 PM

    Somehow this is how I imagine Bozo’s afternoon going:

    2:00 Log on to HBT

    2:01-2:40 Check to make sure he’s thumbed up all of his previous posts

    2:41 Stumble across the title of this post

    2:42-2:45 Masturbate

    2:45-present Attempt to read this post and comprehend it. Fail. Begin posting derogatory comments about Red Sox and their fans. Give his own comments a thumbs up. Masturbate. Rinse. Repeat.

    • Ari Collins - Jan 4, 2012 at 4:16 PM

      Someone here said he also spends a lot of time on other boards trashing his least favorite team in other sports.

      I also doubt he bothers to read the post. Just looks for “Red Sox” in the title.

      • cur68 - Jan 4, 2012 at 4:29 PM

        Well, lets be fair gents: he did check in on the Bagwell stuff and seemed to have his wits about him with that. Thank dog Bags didn’t play for the Sox…

      • wlschneider09 - Jan 4, 2012 at 5:12 PM

        True enough Cur, maybe I overdid it.

        But Bozo is a bit mono-thematic, and I didn’t need to open the post to know that he’d be all over this….

      • cur68 - Jan 4, 2012 at 5:23 PM

        Hang on there w! I didn’t say you overdid anything. I shudder to speculate on the “man’s” personal “life”. More power to you for having the courage. All I’m saying is that he’s actually on the record as being semi-sane about certain things. Other than that, carry on.

      • bozosforall - Jan 4, 2012 at 7:42 PM

        cur68 – Jan 4, 2012 at 4:29 PM
        Well, lets be fair gents: he did check in on the Bagwell stuff and seemed to have his wits about him with that. Thank dog Bags didn’t play for the Sox…

        __
        He WAS drafted by the Sox but they were too stupid to keep him around. Traded to the Astros for a one-year rental of Larry Friggin’ Anderson. LMAO

      • bozosforall - Jan 4, 2012 at 7:44 PM

        wlschneider09 – Jan 4, 2012 at 5:12 PM
        True enough Cur, maybe I overdid it.

        But Bozo is a bit mono-thematic, and I didn’t need to open the post to know that he’d be all over this….

        cur68 – Jan 4, 2012 at 5:23 PM
        Hang on there w! I didn’t say you overdid anything. I shudder to speculate on the “man’s” personal “life”. More power to you for having the courage. All I’m saying is that he’s actually on the record as being semi-sane about certain things. Other than that, carry on.
        __
        You two poofs need to get a room.

      • bozosforall - Jan 4, 2012 at 7:45 PM

        Ari Collins – Jan 4, 2012 at 4:16 PM
        Someone here said he also spends a lot of time on other boards trashing his least favorite team in other sports.

        I also doubt he bothers to read the post. Just looks for “Red Sox” in the title.

        __
        You mean like all the idiot Pats fans who were posting on the McElroy/Jets thread?

        Hypocrite much, loser?

      • cur68 - Jan 4, 2012 at 8:35 PM

        Did I mention that he has an infinite capacity for seeing homosexuality in anything? True. Pay attention: soon as he gets worked up, he goes straight for his id. Since he hates his own nature he gets all derogatory. Sad really.

      • Ari Collins - Jan 4, 2012 at 9:39 PM

        Err. I’m not really a Pats fan. Try again with the hypocrite bit, because I don’t spend all my time LMAO-ing myself. Neither does most of this reasonably civil and intelligent board.

    • JBerardi - Jan 4, 2012 at 8:59 PM

      I think you missed at least couple instances of masturbation.

    • bozosforall - Jan 6, 2012 at 4:32 PM

      The mere fact that you attempt to pretend to know anything about me (and follow me around the board like a little puppy dog) confirms that I OWN your sorry ass.

      Also, it sounds like you have quite a bit of experience regarding masturbation, which makes perfect sense for a lifelong loser such as yourself.

  22. sandpiperair - Jan 4, 2012 at 4:40 PM

    Are the starting pitchers excused from “toughness?” Because, seriously, the fact that they were falling behind every single game in September could be an indicator that the starting pitchers were actually not “tough” enough.

  23. 18thstreet - Jan 6, 2012 at 1:38 PM

    I look at Nick Cafardo and I can’t believe THIS guy is the one telling me the players weren’t tough enough. He’s been beating this drum for months. I think it’s preposterous, but it’s especially preposterous coming from a guy who looks like he does.

    Who among us would perform better if our bosses humiliated us as a motivation tool? Apparently: Nick Carfardo.

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