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Happy Hall of Fame Day

Jan 9, 2012, 9:01 AM EST

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The Hall of Fame voting results will be announced today at 3PM. You can get your info either by following the Baseball Writers Association of America Twitter feed, going to their website or watching the announcement live on the MLB Network or at MLB.com (the MLB show starts at 2PM, but the announcement won’t be until 3).

Note: someone always announces it on Twitter, like, two minutes before any of those outlets announce it. Some dude who is hooking up — say — Barry Larkin’s microphone. Someone who spends their day instant messaging the guy who has to actually update the BBWAA website knows. Information wants to be free.  And as we’ve noted, that information is almost certainly going to be that Barry Larkin is elected and no one else is.

Anyway, we’ve kind of beaten the Hall of Fame politics to death around here these past couple of weeks because, really, what the hell else was there to talk about?  But let’s see if there’s still some life in that horse by reading Colin Wyers’ latest at Baseball Prospectus.  It’s pretty thought-provoking.

The upshot: Colin takes aim at something Rob Neyer said recently about how it’s OK to think through things like Jeff Bagwell’s suitability for the Hall of Fame. Rob talked about  how suspicions — even if thin or baseless — still have to be contended with somehow, so better to take the time to consider it all.  Colin agrees with the idea of considering things, but doesn’t think there’s much to consider in this instance.

Then he says two interesting things that those of you who like to argue about steroids probably need to contend with in some way:

  • “… if we look at players who have actually been identified as taking steroids or other performance-enhancing drugs—either through the Mitchell report or suspension by MLB—they aren’t any bigger than the average player. The average PEDuser was 73 inches tall and 193 pounds. The average MLB player over the same time span was 74 inches, 195 pounds.”  and
  • “… the increase in home run rates for shortstops and designated hitters was essentially identical.”

I don’t consider that to be definitive of anything as opposed to being merely neat. But this does all go back to what I’ve been saying forever: PED users really don’t fit a profile, and scrutinizing the big power hitters in ways we don’t scrutinize pitchers and middle infielders has no basis in fact or reason.  Either ignore it all or suspect and judge them all, but at least do it equally.

  1. Jonny 5 - Jan 9, 2012 at 9:23 AM

    Colin Wyers USED A SMALL SAMPLE SIZE!!!? GTFO!! “Known PED users” is a very small group to use as evidence. Anyway, are sports writers really going to keep out Bonds? Mcguire? Really? I just wonder with the known characters already in the HOF, why do sportswriters today act as if the hall is a sacred place only fit for the baseball greats who also seem to be clean of drug use? I mean there are already drug users in there. There are already cheaters in there. Why are more current players held to a higher standard? I’m beginning to think that BBWAA members (for the most part) are so desperate for attention (and job security) that they beat this drum mainly to draw attention to themselves. “See, I am important”

    • Jonny 5 - Jan 9, 2012 at 9:25 AM

      With that said I do feel PED use is wrong and should be regulated by MLB. I’m not saying it’s ok now. But for years MLB probably encouraged it.

  2. paperlions - Jan 9, 2012 at 9:43 AM

    While the HR rate increased similarly for SSs and for DHs, the rate of change was far greater for SSs than for DHs. SS increased from .011 to .017, a 54% increase HRs by SS, whereas DHs increased from .031 to .038, “only” a .23% increase. Meaning that SS saw their power increase more than twice the amount that DHs did.

    • paperlions - Jan 9, 2012 at 3:30 PM

      People don’t like facts? Really?

  3. brucewaynewins - Jan 9, 2012 at 9:43 AM

    It will be interesting to see what they have to say when people currently playing are eligable. Will they induct men like McGwire who used Roids most or all his career when it was allowed? What about someone like Manny (just as an example not saying he is or isn’t Hall worthy). The man failed a drug test. Would you vote someone who failed the test and maybe didn’t take it their whole career?

  4. buffalomafia - Jan 9, 2012 at 10:07 AM

    Johnny 5 half of the baseball writers probably never played a sport in there life!

    How could a chump writer have any power to put anyone in the HOF?

    No matter if players took greenies or steroids you still have toblook @ a players accomplishments.

  5. evanhartford - Jan 9, 2012 at 12:16 PM

    Craig,

    I’m not sure where you’re getting this “profile” that you keep referencing. You might be talking about how people look at an athlete’s “Through the Years” photo op and notice their eyebrows begin to disappear because their head is blowing up like a basketball. I don’t think anyone is JUST “eyeballing” players and making a determination that way.

    For guys like Bagwell its a number of factors. Its a guy’s teammates and how widespread PED abuse was on his team. Its a guy’s numbers and how quickly they/he diminished when steroid testing became more serious. Its also how the guy has reacted to rumors etc. I think Bagwell has helped himself by saying he never did it. I also think it helps that he hasn’t been directly linked to anything. It also helps that his numbers diminished as he got into his late 30s. Personally, I think he will get voted in.

    Every baseball player that gets HOF talk will be looked at this way. Some moreso than others. Hopefully this will get more of the “clean” players to call out the “dirt”y players and to enforce themselves.

    • Kevin S. - Jan 9, 2012 at 1:52 PM

      Bagwell’s teammates count against him?

      http://www.platoonadvantage.com/2011/12/everyone-played-with-peds-users.html

  6. Chris Fiorentino - Jan 9, 2012 at 1:25 PM

    I am just curious as to when not being voted into the Baseball Hall of Fame became the be-all end-all punishment for a baseball player using Performance Enhancing Drugs? Was it the day Congress hauled McGwire, Sosa, et. al. to Washington D.C.?

    Like I said before, being inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame is no longer the greatest honor a baseball player can achieve. I would take Manny’s achievements and two World Series rings over the course of his career and never getting the hall of fame over a vendetta perpetrated by the losers of the self-important BBWAA who have decided that they are the Lords of the HOF. Screw them.

    • evanhartford - Jan 9, 2012 at 3:03 PM

      Chris,

      McGwire, Sosa and Bonds captivated the entire sports world. They blew the doors off hallowed records that stood for decades.

      After they all were subsequently accused of using PEDs, a lot of people felt like they were taken for a ride. It was as if the collective sports world suddenly found out that Santa Claus wasn’t real, except instead of being lied to by caring parents that were trying to nurture our imaginations, it was a bunch of professional athletes profiting from our ignorance.

  7. metsin2020 - Jan 10, 2012 at 1:03 AM

    I could gobble roids for breakfast, lunch, and dinner and I am not hitting 70 dingers , these are exceptional athletes at the top if their game when everyone was doing it. put them in the hall and Pete Rose for that matter as well.

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