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The Rangers are offering Yu Darvish “Dice-K money”

Jan 9, 2012, 11:50 AM EDT

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Jon Heyman reports that the Texas Rangers are “offering about ‘Dice K money”” to Yu Darvish and that, as such, a deal is not close at the moment. Matsuzaka’s deal with the Red Sox was for six years and $52 million, and that seems way light of what most people have been projecting Darvish is worth.

Apropos of nothing, I think it’s kind of interesting how every Japanese player is compared to other Japanese players when scout-talk goes down.  That’s kind of silly on some level, but I sort of understand that insofar as the point of a comp is to quickly put someone’s mind on a certain track, and if you compare one Japanese player to another Japanese player you’re already going with some sort of flow the intended recipient of the comp is probably going with himself.

But money too? Money is fungible and Dice-K’s deal was years ago. From an age and contract-worthiness perspective, he and Darvish have little in common.  So I guess I’m wondering if someone with the Rangers really floated out a “Dice-K-type” of contract and actually used those terms in negotiations. Or if, rather, Darvish’s people are inferring that’s what’s going on here or simply going to that comp for the same reasons everyone compares Japanese players when talking about skills.

But there’s gotta be some other player who more recently got a ~$52 million contract we can use here, right? I say we go with “Darvish is being offered Mo Williams money.” Or maybe “Darvish is being offered Bell’s Brewery expansion-money.” Or Darvish is being offered “the cost of the Whitewater investigation-money.”

Let’s think outside the box, people.

  1. WhenMattStairsIsKing - Jan 9, 2012 at 11:59 AM

    “Darvish being offered 333% of the cost of the Louisiana Purchase”

    • kopy - Jan 9, 2012 at 12:01 PM

      The greatest real estate bargain in the history of Western Civilization.

      • phillieschamps2012 - Jan 9, 2012 at 12:12 PM

        The purchase of Alaska by the US from the Russians wasn’t too shaby either. 7.2 million, or the cost of a mediocre #4 starter.

      • kopy - Jan 9, 2012 at 12:32 PM

        About $109 million in 2011 Dollars.

        The Louisiana Purchase was about $219 million in 2011 Dollars. So Albert Pujols is actually worth more than the state of Missouri itself, along with many other states.

        LP was double the purchase price of Alaska for about 57% more land. As far as value goes, I don’t know if livability trumps natural resources, but both of these were damn cheap.

      • Kevin S. - Jan 9, 2012 at 1:43 PM

        Manhattan Island for $24 in beads and pots is up there. Although as far as acquisitions from Native Americans go, I suppose it’s fairer than simply running them off the land with muskets.

      • henryd3rd - Jan 10, 2012 at 9:25 AM

        The price paid for Manhattan to the Native People was the best deal ever. Have you seen what a loft apartment goes for in Manhattan lately?

  2. phillieschamps2012 - Jan 9, 2012 at 12:00 PM

    Texas ought to offer him 5 years/60 million. If he doesn’t like it, tell him to take a flying leap.

    • WhenMattStairsIsKing - Jan 9, 2012 at 12:06 PM

      That’s good business.

      • phillieschamps2012 - Jan 9, 2012 at 12:10 PM

        Thanks. Makes sense to me. Texas isn’t obligated to make any outrageous offer. Then can always get their posting fee back if Darvish doen’t want to be reasonable. 5/60 is reasonable to me.

      • WhenMattStairsIsKing - Jan 9, 2012 at 12:16 PM

        Right – telling Yu to take a flying leap may present a problem, though :)

      • phillieschamps2012 - Jan 9, 2012 at 12:21 PM

        Especially if Darvish learned karate in his native Japan. Telling him to take a flying leap could lend to a beatdown by Yu.

  3. whittle79 - Jan 9, 2012 at 12:08 PM

    Sign him tops 65 mil 6 yr
    He will make that in 2 yr in jerseys ! He has 7 plus pitches he can throw. Did I say 7 !!
    He is going to be a stud !

    • istillbelieveinblue - Jan 9, 2012 at 2:51 PM

      Yeah, and Dice-K had this mysterious gyro-ball that was un-hittable. How’d that work out for Boston? He’s never faced MLB level talent on a regular basis. No way I give this kid 6 years.

  4. crisisjunky - Jan 9, 2012 at 12:16 PM

    Including posting fee?
    how about Frank McCourt Attorney Fees money

  5. drunkenhooliganism - Jan 9, 2012 at 12:27 PM

    Why couldn’t he just write the amount of years and money? Wouldn’t that be the most reader-friendly way?

  6. Jonny 5 - Jan 9, 2012 at 12:37 PM

    How can they compare the two? Darvish doesn’t even throw a gyro-ball.

    Well one thing to consider, and I’m sure the Rangers are thinking it too. The exchange rate since D-K was signed favors the dollar now by a much better margin (it’s gone 1 yen= .008$ to .013$). Not saying it changes how much he’s worth, but it could mean he will sign with Texas for “Dice-K money” I think Darvish is making in the neighborhood 4.3 M per (US), About half of what the Texas offer is rumored to be.

    • mcsnide - Jan 9, 2012 at 12:50 PM

      Gyro-ball – the pitch thrown by Dice-K after 58 seconds of rocking back and forth on the mound “gyrating” his ass.

  7. mcsnide - Jan 9, 2012 at 12:40 PM

    The Dice-K comp is perfectly apropos, imo. Even if you find an American who signed a similar baseball contract, it’s not like the club paid $50 mil just to talk to the guy. As the only two guys to command $50 mil posting fees, I don’t see how you AVOID the comparison. But maybe I just like comparing apples to apples instead of oranges.

  8. screaminzab - Jan 9, 2012 at 12:40 PM

    Bells Brewery is expanding? Sweet! They make some good beer.

  9. angrycorgi - Jan 9, 2012 at 1:01 PM

    Well, considering that the other side pulled $100M/5 years out of the blue sky when most people had pegged his value at ~$15M/year, I think some rebounding, counteracting lunacy of offering ~$9M/year is warranted. Pawn Stars has taught me much!

  10. pellypell - Jan 9, 2012 at 1:09 PM

    He shouldn’t get Dice K money, dude doesn’t even have a gyro ball!

    Then again, neither did Dice.

    • pellypell - Jan 9, 2012 at 1:11 PM

      Wow, next time I should read others comment first. Sorry, Jonny 5.

      • Jonny 5 - Jan 9, 2012 at 3:47 PM

        No need to be sorry that you think like I do. Wait, maybe you should be sorry that you think like I do? Yeah probably.

  11. lostsok - Jan 9, 2012 at 1:31 PM

    It was pretty clear what he was going to cost. Why be that aggressive with the posting to get cheap later?

  12. cur68 - Jan 9, 2012 at 2:21 PM

    I hope the Rangers irritate Darvish so much he rejects them and talks to the Beaver Men instead. Liklihood? Yeah, not so much, but a fan’s gotta hope.

  13. proudlycanadian - Jan 9, 2012 at 2:53 PM

    The Rangers will eventually throw in the towel and do a sign and trade with the Blue Jays.

  14. wegonnadoitbaby - Jan 9, 2012 at 3:21 PM

    The real problem here is that the posting fee becomes part of the deal for the franchise. Japanese players don’t have free agency and don’t have the freedom to “Bobby V” over to the states at will. It sucks, but yeah, you give the guy 70 mil if you aren’t paying his Japanese team 50 mil on top of it.

    50-60 mil is a bunch of money for a kid who has never experienced the culture of America. Beer, Fried Chicken, WI, PS3, X-Box, Internet, Women…and that’s just in the clubhouse! His locker will be larger than the average apartment in Japan.

    • Reflex - Jan 10, 2012 at 2:17 AM

      Um, all of those things exist in Japan. Some were even invented there….

      • wegonnadoitbaby - Jan 11, 2012 at 12:46 PM

        It’s satirical. The point I was making that a foreign player of that age will face not only a higher level of play across the board, but also will face challenges relating to a radically different culture, and a language barrier as well. It’s a large investment and many things besides talent have to go into the consideration of a reasonable offer, and the 50 million posting fee has to be a part of that offer.

        I was also pointing out that the Japanese players do not have freedom of movement that American players do, and in fact they are quite limited as compared to the free-agency system players in our country enjoy.

  15. rangermania - Jan 10, 2012 at 3:17 AM

    Come on guys. Yu is an opportunity for the Rangers to possess a pitching WMD that will terrorize the major leagues! He may be a kid and inexperienced in our ways but his successes will speed up his development. He may have only seven pitches (that’s 3 or 4 more than most pitchers) now but with some help he can add a few more and become…unstoppable! Pull out the stops. And if there’s any money left over get Hiroki Kuroda too!

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