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The prices fall on Edwin Jackson, Hiroki Kuroda, Roy Oswalt

Jan 13, 2012, 1:36 PM EDT

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The top three starting pitchers left on the free agent market are finding it tough going.  And Buster Olney reports that Edwin Jackson, Hiroki Kuroda and Roy Oswalt have all lowered their asking price:

The asking prices have come down significantly for veteran FA starters: Oswalt (said to be at $8m), Kuroda (10-11m), Edwin Jackson.

I am finding it rather hard to believe that someone — hello Yankees! — wouldn’t jump at either Oswalt or Kuroda on a one-year deal at those rates. But I suppose teams realize that these three are basically killing each other on the market, and so long as no one is getting serious attention from another team, they’re content to wait it out.

Competition is rough out there kids.

  1. WhenMattStairsIsKing - Jan 13, 2012 at 1:47 PM

    Oswalt makes sense in Washington. I’d like to see the Nationals rough up that division a bit.

    Jackson’s going to the Yankees, I believe.

    Kuroda? Great talent, halfway decent price tag, but with the big markets set (and assuming Jackson goes to NYY), I have no idea where he ends up. Toronto?

    • jwbiii - Jan 13, 2012 at 1:58 PM

      I’m thinking just the opposite. The Yankees said yesterday that they were only interested in one year deals, which probably has Jackson going elsewhere but might not bother Kuroda.

    • natstowngreg - Jan 13, 2012 at 3:59 PM

      Wouldn’t mind seeing Oswalt in a Nats uniform, but the urgency probably dropped when Gio Gonzalez was added to the rotation.

    • jwbiii - Jan 13, 2012 at 8:15 PM

      The Yankees just took themselves out of the free agent pitching market. They may be looking for a DH, however.

    • jwbiii - Jan 14, 2012 at 1:22 AM

      Of course, I could be wrong.

  2. raven410 - Jan 13, 2012 at 1:50 PM

    Let’s get one of these guys O’s

    • japatar - Jan 13, 2012 at 2:22 PM

      That’ll never happen as it makes too much sense! O’s should try to land 2 of those guys!

  3. l0yalr0yal - Jan 13, 2012 at 2:24 PM

    I know he reads these.

    Dear Dayton Moore,

    I hope all is well. I’ve been thinking about this Roy Oswalt guy since it was apparent no one was going to make a quick offer on him. I think Roy would be a great fit in our locker room. With such a young team, Mr. Oswalt is a low-risk option at a modest said $8 million. He’s a veteran that can provide leadership.

    I have been “Trusting The Process” for a while now. As younger players begin to develop in to every day starters, I see what you’re doing. You do run a good farm system. I don’t think anyone questions that. Maybe even the best in Major League Baseball. But when Jonathan Sanchez is projected to be our number one starter, followed by last year’s best offering of Luke Hochevar (or HochoCinco, if you will), the process that I am asked to trust is starting to make me angry. You’ve got these great young pieces in place, the least you can do is pick up a solid veteran starter and support these kids. No one’s going to want to play baseball in Kansas City if you keep asking me to trust names like Bruce Chen. And with all due respect, if you don’t make an agressive push to sign another starter for us, I’ve got a size 13 shoe to stick up you rear. Sideways.

    So for the love of God, I don’t want to hear another press conference in which you say “we’re sticking with what we’ve got, you’ve just got to trust that we know what we’re doing”. What you’re doing is bringing guys through our farm system, developing good players, and shipping them off to big market teams. There was a time when Kansas City got excited about baseball. There was a time when I think there were a lot of Royals fans outside of Kansas City. Now, we just get laughed at. If you’re going to do something, the time is now. Bring me a decent starter, or two, or I will have your head. I mean seriously, you owe it to those of us who have remained Loyal Royal through your stupid trades, your overpaid hillbilly ballplayers, and Ned Yost. You owe it to Alex Gordon, coming off of a career year. You owe it to Eric Hosmer, Mike Moustakas, Johnny Giovatella, all of these guys you have developed. You owe it to the AL Central, who can basically write off Royals games as division wins. You owe it to baseball to put this team back in contention.

    You have my demands. The ball is in your court. Don’t make me poop on your car (again).

    Sincerely,
    Loyal Royal

    • cur68 - Jan 13, 2012 at 3:19 PM

      You got a size 13 shoe? Damn, man. If I’m Mr. Moore I’m runnin’ scared.

    • paperlions - Jan 13, 2012 at 3:29 PM

      Nice letter, but I would address it to the Glass family and just CC Dayton on it….I’m sure he’d love to spend a little more money if the money bags family would just loosen the purse strings a bit.

      • l0yalr0yal - Jan 13, 2012 at 4:50 PM

        David Glass hasn’t returned any of my hand written letters, so I gave up on him. Maybe I was too harsh in my most recent, telling him what a selfish a-hole he is.

        When he was CEO of Wal-Mart, profits were at an all time high. But if you want to look at why that is, it tells a story you may not know. He was knowingly operating sweatshops across the globe that employed children. Obviously, overworking and underpaying these kids. One of his shops burned to the ground and killed all the children inside, and he basically said “well, stuff happens”. All of my letters are in vain, because he doesn’t care about the people. I think that trickles down from the front office, to the coaching, to the players, and to the fans. I’m not comparing Royals to children in a sweatshop, but I think the resemblances between what he has done to both organizations are quite similar. David glass is a man who denied scouts cell phones because he refused to pay for the minutes to operate them. I’m serious. In his contract when he purchased the Royals, there was a clause that stated if he sold the organization for anything more than what he paid, the over-the-top amount would be donated to charity. That clause has now expired, and I’m hoping it’s enough to get him out of Kansas City’s business for good. The guy is worth about $2,000,000,000, and he can’t release enough money to sign a couple of starting pitchers for his organization. He was recently quoted as saying something along the lines of “I dont ever want to not be the owner of the Royals”, and yes it was similar in eloquence.

        So now, I guess I just wait for him to die.

  4. trevorb06 - Jan 13, 2012 at 2:28 PM

    Come on Twins, your rotation is awful!

    • proudlycanadian - Jan 13, 2012 at 2:40 PM

      How about Jackson to the Twins at a 50% discount from the original offering price. Probably for 4 years with an opt out option after 2 years.

      • trevorb06 - Jan 13, 2012 at 5:47 PM

        I’ve always enjoyed watching Jackson pitch when he’s on. Target would be a good field for him, too. If the Twins signed him to a two year deal you wouldn’t hear me complaining. Sadly, he’d be the ace of our staff unless Liriano finds it again.

    • tundramn - Jan 14, 2012 at 10:26 AM

      It is about time that the Twins invest in the starting rotation and bullpen!!! You can’t expect to compete in the AL Central with the pitching staff that they have assembled. The staff was horrible last year. How can the addition of Jason Marquis provide enough strength and stability to allow this team to compete?

      Why bother investing in Joe Mauer, Josh Willingham and Ryan Doumit without adding more to the pitching staff. Jason Marquis will not be enough to compete with the White Sox, Tigers, Indians or even the Royals.

      The Twins need another high quality starter and more depth in the bullpen. Going with a bullpen of demoted starters is a poor plan and a proven closer is needed now that Joe Nathan has defected for Texas.

      Any one of these three guys will be a step in the right direction.

  5. uyf1950 - Jan 13, 2012 at 2:38 PM

    I don’t know why the Yankees wouldn’t put the full court press on now to get Kuroda for say the $10MM number. They tried to get him last year around the trade deadline which meant they would have been responsible for about $3.5 to $4MM of his remaining salary at that time plus they would have had to give up some prospect(s) to the Dodgers. Now it’s possible for $10MM a potential difference of just $6.5 to say $7MM and they would have him for the entire 2012 campaign and not have to part with any prospect(s). Seems like a no brainer.

    The funny this is Oswalt makes just as much sense for $8MM if not more maybe for the Yankees considering they have all the young arms waiting in the for the 2012 season. If Oswalt breaks down during or late into the season the Yankees just insert one of the young guys as insurance. The luxury tax is less and when Oswalts on he’s one heck of a starter to have in the rotation.

    That’s just my opinion.

    • yankeesfanlen - Jan 13, 2012 at 3:32 PM

      I agree, uyf, and further, one of the three should be signed immediately at these prices.
      I’d put Oswalt first,

    • baseballisboring - Jan 13, 2012 at 3:42 PM

      It’s kind of odd that the two teams with the biggest payrolls with holes in their rotations haven’t been more aggressive with guys like Kuroda and Oswalt. But I think either of those guys would be nice for the Sox too…

      • uyf1950 - Jan 13, 2012 at 4:07 PM

        Really the only guys like Kuroda and Oswalt this year are Kuroda and Oswalt. And up until just about now their asking price was just to high. Kuroda only recently just decided he was willing to pitch on the east coast and even at that he was looking for anywhere from $12 to $14MM depending on what day of the week it was. Oswalt up until recently wanted a 3 year deal then 2 years again only recently has he come down to something far more realistic.

        Other then those 2 Jackson is not worth 5 years/$15MM per. And in my opinion neither were the asking prices and years CJ Wilson signed for or Mark Buehrle got. At least not from the Yankees point of view. The Yankees want to give some of their young arms a look in the near future signing anyone of them would have prohibited that.

        Regardless if Cashman/Yankees do anything now that the prices appear to be coming down I think they did the right thing by waiting these guys out. That’s just my opinion.

    • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Jan 14, 2012 at 3:32 AM

      “I don’t know why the Yankees wouldn’t put the full court press on now to get Kuroda for say the $10MM number.”

      They don’t know why not either. Good call.

  6. spudchukar - Jan 13, 2012 at 2:43 PM

    The Cards are nuts if they do not swoop in and nab Oswalt, who wants to pitch for them. They have the re-allocation cash.

  7. cintiphil - Jan 13, 2012 at 3:00 PM

    Since the Reds have improved their staff so much, it seems to me that the Cards will have to go after Oswalt or resign Jackson. Oswalt has been a Reds killer in the past.

    • paperlions - Jan 13, 2012 at 3:35 PM

      The Reds have improved, sure….upgraded to Latos, added Madson and Marshall to the bullpen, but that’s it….and Madson is replacing Cordero who did just fine last year. Last year they were a 79 win team. All else being equal, this might push them to an 85 win team…..if both teams stay healthy, there is no reason to worry about the Reds right now.

      • spudchukar - Jan 13, 2012 at 4:04 PM

        That is the attitude I read here all last year about the Cardinals by Phillie Phans. I worry about everyone, including the Astros. Hell, I will worry about them next year when they are in the AL.

        The Reds are improved, smell blood since they no longer have to deal with Pujols and Fielder, and will be tough competition. Their starting pitching is still suspect, but should rebound somewhat from 2011.

        Perhaps they played over their talent level and snuck up on teams in 2010, but things fell apart in 2011. Most likely the 2012 team will fall somewhere in between, which should be good enough for second at least, and with a few breaks or Cardinal difficulties could be in contention late.

      • cintiphil - Jan 14, 2012 at 11:25 AM

        You guys are nuts if you feel the birds starters are far above the Reds. If Chapman comes through, the Reds will have Cueto, Latos, Chapman, Leake, Bailey and Arroyo for sure and they have a guy or two in the pen who want to be starters. After Wainwright, the birds are a little questionable, as Carpenter is getting old, and Garcia is not so automatic as he was two years ago. He has had problems lasting over 5. So, I think they have to sign a guy like Oswalt or resign a younger guy like Jackson to keep up with the Reds. And as far as the pen, you guys are no where near the Reds, for set up or closer.

      • paperlions - Jan 14, 2012 at 12:12 PM

        I’d love to see Chapman start…that will be fantastic. I haven’t read a single scout’s take that thinks Chapman can be an effective starter, his mechanics are all over the place, non-repeatable delivery, just a thrower (no refinement whatsoever). The last 2 years the Reds should have been working on his development, he’s the same guy now (only apparently with a constant string of nagging injuries) that he was 2 years ago.

        It isn’t the pitching that is the difference, it is the hitting. The Reds have 3 good offensive players and little after that…it is pretty much Votto (who is fantastic), Phillips and Bruce (who are good)….and a bunch of nothin’. They haven’t done anything to upgrade the offense. The Cardinals offense was far superior to the Reds last year, and should be just as good this year.

  8. drewzducks - Jan 13, 2012 at 3:37 PM

    As a Sox fan I’d like to see Oz or Kuroda unless they actually think they can get away with Bard/Aceves and rotation by committee. We all know how well that philosophy worked out for them in the past.

  9. dcfan4life - Jan 13, 2012 at 3:56 PM

    Id love to see the Nats grab one of them. If Oswalt stayed healthy hed be a great 3rd starter for us. I am susprised the Rangers havent gobbled up one of these guys after losing Wilson. Makes sense right, Oswalt to the Nats, Kuroda to the Yankees, and Jackson to the Rangers.

  10. andyreidisfat - Jan 13, 2012 at 4:07 PM

    I still see Oswalt coming back for one more run with the phillies, I always thought he’d be the last priority and that he might have already signed but now that hes only asking 8 I would think as soon as hamels number gets set the phillies will make Roy an offer of 9-10. This probably why he hasn’t signed yet and is just waiting to see what the phills do.

    • cintiphil - Jan 14, 2012 at 11:28 AM

      He ain’t signing with the Phills, because he would have already done so. Either they don’t want him or he won’t pitch there for personal reasons.

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