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Obama: the Cardinals are “the greatest comeback team in the history of baseball”

Jan 17, 2012, 5:06 PM EDT

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The St. Louis Cardinals visited the White House today for the customary meet-and-greet with the President. During the ceremony he called the Cardinals “the greatest comeback team in the history of baseball.”

So you see there: the Braves didn’t collapse. The Cardinals came back. The President said so.

Anyway, not the usual star-studded White House visit as Albert Pujols (in Anaheim) and Tony La Russa (in some sort of secret hideout carved into a skull-shaped mountain) are no longer with the team.

Oh, and the rumor is that pitching coach Derek Lilliquist didn’t make it either. Seems they called him about the visit and said it was on Tuesday, but he thought they said to have Motte warm up alongside Rzepczynski.

I dunno either.

  1. phukyouk - Jan 17, 2012 at 5:11 PM

    for the most part i try as hard as i can to stay off politics when it comes to this site… but GDDAMIT this guy is just a dumb shit some times…. there reallly is not a good choice in the republican pool but i think that almost anything is better than this guy and he piece of shit tax payer spending bitch wife.

    • 18thstreet - Jan 17, 2012 at 5:14 PM

      Imagine what he’d say if he didn’t try. Like, he’d say something really mean about Michelle Obama.

      Good thing he tries.

      • jwbiii - Jan 17, 2012 at 9:54 PM

        Have you ever met Michelle Obama or had any business dealings with her? She’s really quite nice and was a pleasure to work with.

    • stlouis1baseball - Jan 17, 2012 at 5:15 PM

      Youk: If your canine…feline…or housekeeper was running against him I would vote their way.
      ANYTHING….IS better.

    • trevorb06 - Jan 17, 2012 at 5:18 PM

      Dhey dook our JERBZ!

    • tgr33nf13ld - Jan 17, 2012 at 5:20 PM

    • pisano - Jan 17, 2012 at 5:22 PM

      phukyouk… I feel the same as you about the politics, but four more years of Obama’s direction and China will own the U.S. I listened to a guy who ran against Perry in Texas for Govenor and lost, so there was some hate there, but he said he’d vote for Charlie Sheen rather than Obama.

      • phukyouk - Jan 17, 2012 at 5:25 PM

        sorry folks… i really do try not to mix baseball and politics. its just.. the country is like 50 bucks away from being called new china and this dipshit is spending millions of tax payer dollars on vacations to his home state and his wife spends twice that on herself. ok sorry again. i will stop now..

      • thefalcon123 - Jan 17, 2012 at 6:55 PM

        “but four more years of Obama’s direction and China will own the U.S.”

        I’m not going to get into a huge political debate here, but I will say this:

        If you owe the bank $100,000, the bank owns you.
        If you owe the bank $100,000,000,000, you own the bank.

        The China issue is much more complex than “we owe em money!” and there are many other solutions than are spoken about in 15 second audio clips.

        Also, I’d vote for Charlie Sheen over Rick Perry. Last I checked, Sheen didn’t preside over the execution of Cameron Todd Willingham.

    • alang3131982 - Jan 17, 2012 at 5:23 PM

      ummmm….what is a “he piece of shit tax payer spending bitch wife?”

      If you mean the first lady, who is doing an admirable job spreading the word about childhood obesity, well, umm, i think you’re mistaken.

      This is a baseball site, no one cares what you think about politics. And certainly no one cares to see such filth spewed out in a comment board.

      • phukyouk - Jan 17, 2012 at 5:27 PM

        at least 8 ppl do.. i didnt fucking ask you and shes doing SHIT for this country.

      • miketorrez - Jan 17, 2012 at 5:27 PM

        I’m really glad the majority of the country doesn’t think like “phukyouk”.

      • phukyouk - Jan 17, 2012 at 5:31 PM

        no… but 41% disapprove of him..

      • stlouis1baseball - Jan 17, 2012 at 5:33 PM

        Alan: Let me guess…you are in your 20’s. Correct?

      • trevorb06 - Jan 17, 2012 at 5:50 PM

        What was G.W.’s approval rating again?

        I love this though. At the end of the 90’s this country was doing quite well. The years between 2001 and 2008 were pretty bad, intelligent members of BOTH parties would agree. The last couple years now we’ve been climbing back up out of that mess but apparently climbing up is the wrong direction. Guess that leaves a small handful of decisions, back down or sideways.

        Anyways. THIS IS A BASEBALL BLOG.

        Craig, please from here on out don’t use pictures of politicians and don’t use names. Just word it ‘some politician had the Cardinals over to some place to congratulate them and said this’.

        Dhey dook phukyouk’s jerb!

      • stlouis1baseball - Jan 17, 2012 at 5:58 PM

        Trevor: Are you referring to GW’s approval rating prior to…or immediately after 9/11?
        Cause’ I seem to remember EVERYONE being on his jock immediately after.
        The guy could do no wrong. How quickly we forget.
        The 90’s: Every heard of a little thing called the “dot com boom?”
        Think this had anything to do with it? How about the subsequent collapse in Silicon Valley?
        Any bearing on the early 2000’s?
        And just for the record…we are absolutely NOT climbing back up.
        If so…I would argue it is IN SPITE OF our current administration.
        It matters not…it’s all cyclical anyway.

      • trevorb06 - Jan 17, 2012 at 6:13 PM

        “And just for the record…we are absolutely NOT climbing back up.
        If so…I would argue it is IN SPITE OF our current administration.”

        You just validated my point. Go watch more Fox News. Maybe they have a baseball blog over there, too. Seriously, if Obama told you that cows go moo, you’d argue him on that, too. Just shut up.

      • alang3131982 - Jan 17, 2012 at 6:43 PM

        First, phukyouk, by posting a comment in an internet thread you are necessarily asking people to either agree with you or not. The internet is a place for discourse and exchanging ideas.

        I’d also ask you what you expect the first lady to do? Has she done more/less than Barbara? She’s the first lady…

        While 12 people approve of your statement, 74 do not. I dont know why you think that’s a good thing.

        As for stl, what does my age have to do with it. I’ll actually be out of my 20s in one month, does that mean my opinion changes? What if i told you i voted republican on more than one occasion?

        Our entire government deserves a lot of blame, we’ve had like two good presidents in the last 30 years (Clinton and Reagan), and we have a congress and executive branch that do nothing but fight because they know it will polarize and amp up their relative bases.

        I find phukyouk’s rhetoric offensive and baseless. What exactly did the first lady do to deserve being called a bitch? Would you call her that to her face? Did Barbara Bush spend tax payer money? Does she still? You hate obama because fox news tells you to.

      • thefalcon123 - Jan 17, 2012 at 7:08 PM

        Here’s the thing Phuk, I also disapprove of Obama (not for the same reasons, as I am very liberal and have been rather disappointed in him for not being liberal enough). I’ve never felt that his wife was a “bitch” or launched into really personal attacks against him because I didn’t agree with his stance on something.

        Hell, in a perfect world, I think Bush should have been impeached. It doesn’t mean I think his wife was a bitch or felt the need to launch into extraordinary un-insightful political commentary when he congratulated a baseball team for winning the World Series. I actually think he was doing what he thought was best for the country, but that he just had an extremely shortsighted view of what they may be and I disagreed with it immensely.

        Seriously, I don’t get it.

      • thefalcon123 - Jan 17, 2012 at 7:23 PM

        “Alan: Let me guess…you are in your 20′s. Correct?”

        What does his age have to do with it? I’m 29. I grew up in the rural midwest in a 2 bedroom house with 9 siblings on food stamps. I’m now 29, live in NYC and while not the elite 1%, our household income does rank in the top 6% according the NY Times calculator that came out recently. This means we pay a shit-load of money in taxes. And I’m fine with that, because I can remember being a poor kid on food stamps pretty clearly just as I remember my dad busting his ass on the farm everyday. I’d happily pay even more if it provides a cushion for those who need it. I didn’t work harder than him, or the guys in my crappy little town who got laid off at the factory. I got luckier than them.

        I guess my point is, my political opinions were formed by mulling over and thinking about political choices and their consequences. I tend to assume it’s the same for others, then I read statements like the one you just made and realize, tragically, that’s not the case. He’s in his 20s? Who give a shit? The better question is: “How did you form your political opinions and why?” If you want to belittle someone’s political beliefs, man up about it and argue with what their saying. Don’t take the coward’s way and say and set an arbitrary bench age mark as a way to disregard them.

    • crispybasil - Jan 17, 2012 at 5:27 PM

      “Wow, well said, phukyouk.” – Nobody

      • stlouis1baseball - Jan 17, 2012 at 5:52 PM

        If more people thought with their brains instead in their hearts we wouldn’t be in this mess.
        Two very insightful (and certainly well known quotes come to mind).

        “The strongest argument against democracy is a five minute discussion with the average voter.” Sir Winston Churchill
        To paraphrase another quote (I also think this was Churchill):
        “From the ages of 18 – 29 people vote with their hearts. From the age of 30 and beyond people vote with their brains.?

      • trevorb06 - Jan 17, 2012 at 6:18 PM

        So all those who are conservative due to their church… that’s with their… oh yeah, heart.
        All the angry rednecks who truly don’t know much about politics… heart.
        Rich people who want to get the 300 ft yacht instead of the 250 ft yacht… wallet.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jan 17, 2012 at 6:22 PM

        If more people thought with their brains instead in their hearts we wouldn’t be in this mess.

        Doesn’t this pretty much eliminate every Republican nominee then, using your brain to vote?

      • thefalcon123 - Jan 17, 2012 at 7:29 PM

        “To paraphrase another quote (I also think this was Churchill):
        “From the ages of 18 – 29 people vote with their hearts. From the age of 30 and beyond people vote with their brains.?”

        Whoever said that quote is a fucking idiot.

    • mkd - Jan 17, 2012 at 6:01 PM

      for the most part i try as hard as i can to stay off politics when it comes to this site… but GDDAMIT I am compelled to use some random quote from a lighthearted meet and greet to call some lady I’ve never met before a bitch. Not only that I am further compelled to declare that some guy “a dumb shit” and then moments later compose a sentence that ends with “he piece of shit tax payer spending bitch wife.” The irony is lost on me because I am just a dumb shit.

      • stlouis1baseball - Jan 17, 2012 at 6:06 PM

        Alright MKD: I gotta’ give you a little credit. Although I am 100% certain we are on opposite ends of the aisle that post was funny.

      • ptfu - Jan 17, 2012 at 6:34 PM


        Yep, it’s a baseball blog. I’m here to read about corporate welfare, failure to stay within budget, cutting back on cheap new-but-worthy development programs due to long-standing commitments to older expensive marginally productive programs, talking heads who know nothing, crazed fanatics supporting their team no matter the demonstrated ineptitude of their lineup of losers, mortgaging our future in a misguided attempt to win now, hoodwinking taxpayers to pay for monstrous edifices in the middle of nowhere that will benefit nobody except a corporate fat cat or two, and sticks-in-the-mud with their heads in the sand who think we should still do things like we did fifty years ago. Not politics.

        Is it spring training yet?

    • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Jan 17, 2012 at 11:38 PM

      @phukyou: if Obama is a “dumb shit” then what does that make you?

    • verytalldad - Jan 18, 2012 at 2:40 AM

      With a name like PhukYouk, you immediately think CREDIBLE, REASONABLE, ADULT… actually just complete freaking moron.

      I think we found the hateful psycho that beat up Bryan Stow

  2. drewzducks - Jan 17, 2012 at 5:12 PM

    I thought that was the 2004 Red Sox…that’s right I forgot “Barry” was doing his best Keith Hernandez impersonation and knee deep in coke during that time

    • bozosforall - Jan 17, 2012 at 5:32 PM

      The 2004 Red Sox didn’t overcome nearly as much adversity as the 2011 Cardinals did. Take off your stupid Boston homer glasses, moron.

      • drewzducks - Jan 17, 2012 at 5:51 PM

        Bjsforall chiming in…and how many times in the 100+ year history of baseball has a team overcome an 0-3 deficit to win a 7 games series ? So 2004 was either the greatest comeback in baseball or the greatest choke. I’ll even let you choose.

      • jwbiii - Jan 17, 2012 at 10:17 PM

        They only had to beat that bunch of sad sack losers four straight. No biggie.

      • cur68 - Jan 17, 2012 at 10:19 PM

        Drewzducks, I been checking in on this particular comment over the course of the day. You did what I could not do: you made that idiot shut up. I humbly say, with much admiration, well done sir. Well done.

      • bozosforall - Jan 17, 2012 at 11:44 PM

        Dream on, cur. The only idiots here are you and your butt buddies like drew. In fact, you and drew can go “duck” each other all night long.

      • bozosforall - Jan 17, 2012 at 11:50 PM

        An 0-3 deficit will be overcome again before another team chokes away a playoff spot in the manner that the Red Sox choked away theirs in 2011…or even in 1978…not to mention the choke in 1986 in the World Series. Face it, drewdumbass…your team is the chokingest franchise of all time.

  3. stlouis1baseball - Jan 17, 2012 at 5:13 PM

    All this talk about collapses…failures…chokes…etc…
    The President (of all people)…acknowledges them making the greatest comeback in the history of the game. I give credit where it is due. This is the ONE thing I will credit Barry for. Good job Barry.

  4. Francisco (FC) - Jan 17, 2012 at 5:45 PM

    So you see there: the Braves didn’t collapse. The Cardinals came back. The President said so.

    Both statements are true. They’re not mutually exclusive. In fact, I would say they are mutually inclusive: If the Braves don’t collapse, the Cardinals don’t come back. If the Cardinals don’t come back no one would say anything about the Braves collapsing.

    • stlouis1baseball - Jan 17, 2012 at 6:03 PM

      FC: You have somehow managed to say nothing. Hahaha! I mean that jokingly of course.
      No dissrespect whatsoever. I just thought it was funny…all three times I read your post.

  5. phukyouk - Jan 17, 2012 at 7:24 PM

    long story short…. I dont watch fox news. I don’t let news stations make my decisions for me. I have eyes, ears, and a brain so I can think for myself. I also don’t vote so I cannot and DO have opinions of how he has been running the country. I do however pay taxes …. and doing so allows me, at the very least to bitch and moan on how it is spent. when the first lady has spent MILLIONS in tax payer money on vacations I am allowed to be pissed and call her whatever the hell I please. when the president of the USA throws a goddamn costume party with celebrities at the crux of a motherfucking recession I am allowed to get pissed and call him whatever the hell I please.
    Thats it… I’m pissed off at him and when I see him hosting the world series winner for god knows how much money to me and you I get pissed.

    • alang3131982 - Jan 17, 2012 at 7:32 PM

      Wait, you dont vote? Why dont you vote? Dont you care about the country?

      I’ve voted in every election since reaching the voting age. I’ve read the federalist papers, I care deeply about the ideals of a representative democracy. You know a democracy only works if the people care and vote. that means, while i imagine i disagree with you on everything, i’d prefer it if you voted. Your voice should matter just as much as mine. The fact that you dont vote is mind blowing and disrepectful to the rest of society.

      Again, I’ll ask you phukyouk, what have the Obamas done differently than the Bushes? How many World Series winners did Bush host? Also, i’m not sure what costume party you’re referencing, but typically dollars from that come from his PAC, there is little chance taxpayer funds are going for a party.

      You’re so mad at Obama, you should really be mad at yourself for not doing anything about it. And, no, voicing your inflammatory and baseless hate speech on a baseball blog isnt doing anything. It’s claseless and weak.

    • aceshigh11 - Jan 17, 2012 at 7:41 PM

      You are one stupid prick.

      A misanthropic, miserable, hateful conservative AND a Yankees fan…you couldn’t possibly be any more on my shit list if you tried.

      You don’t know jackshit about politics or the financial affairs of this country, you don’t vote, and yet you ruin this board with your vile, unhinged filth.

      And how mad were you at Bush for hosting pro sports teams at the White House following 9/11? After all, we were at war…what was Bush doing wasting his time when the terrorists were plotting against us?

      Face it: you just HATE President Barack Hussein Obama and his wife, Michelle. HATE. I can’t possibly figure out WHY you hate them so much…but you do.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jan 17, 2012 at 7:47 PM

      Thats it… I’m pissed off at him and when I see him hosting the world series winner for god knows how much money to me and you I get pissed.

      So you’re pissed at every single president for the last 100 years, because it’s status quo to invite the winners of the MLB/NFL/NHL/NBA championships to the White House….

      As for the millions of dollars in vacation assertion, only thing I could find on the web (flotus + milllions + vacations) was from The Heritage Foundation, while not exactly the pinnacle of objectivity they wrote:
      The total cost (based on what is known) for the 17-day vacation roundtrip vacation to Hawaii for the President, his family and staff has climbed to more than $4 million.

      So the entire trip, including all staff involved equaled $4M. So it’s not just FLOTUS.

      • phukyouk - Jan 17, 2012 at 9:12 PM

        soooooo youre OK with $4 mil?

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jan 17, 2012 at 10:14 PM

        Considering the advanced cost probably has to to do with # of security/staff and the increased cost of all trips, not Obama specifically, then yes I’m perfectly fine with it. Never mind that there are 350M people in this country, so a $4M trip is peanuts to us all. However, is this really as bad as GWB taking a month vacation 6 months into his presidency?

        Things that pissed me off about the trip would be highlighted by reporters posting the gifts he was buying for his children, because that’s a lot of fun for his kids

    • stex52 - Jan 17, 2012 at 10:16 PM

      Don’t vote? Who cares what you think!!

  6. spudchukar - Jan 17, 2012 at 7:39 PM

    Whenever I read comments like those here by Phukyouk and Stlouis1, it makes me more confident President Obama will be re-elected and the majority of congress will also be of a liberal bent. Most Conservatives do not believe in evolution and the Republican followers are out to prove their position.

    • stlouis1baseball - Jan 18, 2012 at 4:55 PM

      So Spud…your a young guy too huh? In your 20’s I guess?

  7. gostros19 - Jan 17, 2012 at 7:45 PM

    Then he doesn’t watch too much baseball. The 05 Astros who at one point were 15-30 is one of the greatest comeback teams overall. And no I’m not being bias, as I think the 07 Rockies are right there with them.

    • stex52 - Jan 17, 2012 at 9:40 PM

      At last an intelligent commenter on this blog. Go ‘Stro’s!!!!

      Could the rest of you just cool it a bit?

  8. jimbo1949 - Jan 17, 2012 at 7:48 PM

    I visited the baseball blog and a republican debate broke out.

  9. wickersham123 - Jan 17, 2012 at 8:16 PM

    Every President has meet and greets with championship teams. To argue otherwise is to ignore facts. But its obvious that those who use this as a protest moment do exactly that, and not just with this particular photo op. The internet is a great medium in that every comment or statement people make is on the record. Someone will find it. Ron Paul can claim himself to be a simple libertarian defender of individual rights but his written history says otherwise. Newt Gingrich can say he hates Obamacare more than his second wife, yet again, we can find volumes of evidence to the contrary. Mitt can claim that…well, maybe he isn’t the best example because there is always a doppleganger Mitt on all issues. What I find most troubling is the brazen disregard of these obvious contradictions and the denial that they every happened, facts be damned. If you say it loud enough and people don’t question you on it, then it must be true.

    In any case, phuk, I suggest you vote next election. Otherwise, you’re just another crazy person on the street corner muttering to no one in particular.

    Finally, this, from CBSNEWS:

    There has been criticism of the president’s vacation at this time. But how does the number of vacation days the president has spent compare to his predecessors? CBS Radio’s Mark Knoller has kept track of presidential vacations for years and supplied the data.

    So far, President Obama has taken 61 vacation days after 31 months in office. At this point in their presidencies, George W. Bush had spent 180 days at his ranch where his staff often joined him for meetings. And Ronald Reagan had taken 112 vacation days at his ranch.

    Among recent presidents, Bill Clinton took the least time off — 28 days.

    • badmamainphilliesjamas - Jan 18, 2012 at 7:13 AM

      I’m actually ok with phuk not voting.

    • 18thstreet - Jan 18, 2012 at 12:12 PM

      I’m okay with him not breathing.

  10. damnyankee13 - Jan 17, 2012 at 9:52 PM

    we are in the political section,which doesnt belong here

  11. isujames - Jan 17, 2012 at 10:12 PM

    well said pres, i agree with that comment anf not just because thats my HT!!!!!GO CARDS 2012

  12. isujames - Jan 17, 2012 at 10:16 PM

    @phukyouk They block my comments but post this low life cowardly POS comment from a closet q u eer

  13. elmedico27 - Jan 17, 2012 at 11:38 PM

    I think we’re all missing the larger point here, which is: who is that dude behind Michelle Obama and why has no one knocked that d-bag look off of his face?

  14. randygnyc - Jan 18, 2012 at 1:35 AM

    Ba’raq Hussein Al Bin Obama routinely engages in extra-constitutional, illegal crimes. And furthermore, he married the Whore of Babylon. For years I listened to those that wanted President George W. Bush to eat more pretzels. Me, I pray for divine intervention to deliver the ultimate justice.

    And if I played for the cards, I would have passed today. And I mean, not a second thought.

    • verytalldad - Jan 18, 2012 at 2:35 AM

      THEY TOOK OUR JOBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • fearlessleader - Jan 18, 2012 at 5:09 AM

      If you played for the Cards, I would find another team to root for.

    • stex52 - Jan 18, 2012 at 8:20 AM

      Can you spell “racist”?

      • stex52 - Jan 18, 2012 at 8:26 AM

        Sorry, guys, I let an obvious troll get to me. Expunge that last comment.

      • stlouis1baseball - Jan 18, 2012 at 2:52 PM

        Come on Tex! That is a huge part of the problem.
        It is possible to NOT like Obama and NOT be a racist.
        I am sure you understand that. Right?
        So…you voted for him to prove you weren’t a racist?
        I am sure you would agree that is a simarlily ignorant statement. Right?
        I would like for some small business owners to share their thoughts with us on their views of the current administration.
        I can tell you…his (and the democratic parties policies in general) are absolutely killing me.
        Small businesses are the back-bone of this great Country.

      • stex52 - Jan 18, 2012 at 3:48 PM

        Adding a few extra clearly ethnic references to a name and referring to his wife as “a whore” is certainly suggestive of an attitude.

        But I already addressed that. We were being trolled.

      • stex52 - Jan 18, 2012 at 3:59 PM

        And don’t presume you know whom I voted for. I just outgrew name-calling about 50 years ago.

  15. stlram - Jan 18, 2012 at 3:03 AM

    this is undoubtedly the smartest thing this idiot has said the whole time he has been in office

    • stlouis1baseball - Jan 18, 2012 at 4:51 PM

      Tex: Please know I was NOT insinuating that you voted for anyone.
      Only pointing out that voting against or for someone based upon race not only borders on racism…but is blatantly ignorant as well. Based upon your reply to Youk…that is how I took it
      If I missunderstood I apologize. My biggest issue…(to clarify…I am speaking for myself only) is I feel we have an incredibly large portion of our voting population who voted for this guy soley becasue they feel it would be “cool”…or bring us into the “mainstream” by having a minority and/or “ethically diverse” President. Has to be the reason cause’ it certainly wasn’t anything the guy did leading up to running for the office. After all…he was State Senator for all of 3 minutes. He was literally a community organizer. Certainly no experience and/or qualifications whatsoever.
      In my opinion. DISCLAIMER: Everyone has opinions and rightfully so. This is mine only.

      • stex52 - Jan 18, 2012 at 5:24 PM

        Fair enough. We shouldn’t let other peoples’ cheap shots get us shooting at each other. My actual reply was to “Randy”, who is a known inciter. I’m actually not much of a fan of the man’s policies myself.

        And I can’t afford to alienate Cards fans. I may be in Houston, but have also liked the StL franchise for years.

      • stlouis1baseball - Jan 18, 2012 at 5:53 PM

        Tex: We are good. You and I have been communicating on this site for the last year.
        I just felt I needed to clarify cause’ you are absolutely correct. It’s the trolls who start it with the cheap shots you referenced. Have a good one!

  16. iluvwikileaks - Jan 18, 2012 at 8:50 AM

    Mitt Romney sucks. That’s all I’ve got to say:)

  17. winkeroni - Jan 18, 2012 at 9:13 AM

    As an American and a baseball fan, I’m glad the President has similar interest as me and at least took enough notice of the the season to know the Cardinals didn’t have much of a shot of making it this far.

    I’m just sad that I was turned down when I volunteered to go for Pujols or LaRussa.

  18. dcfan4life - Jan 18, 2012 at 10:44 AM

    This is a baseball blog right? Enough with the political views. Argue whether or not the Cardinals run was the greatest of all time because thats the point of this topic. And personally i dont think it is. The Braves had to lose a lot of games to get the Cardinals in the postseason. If anything this gives an excellent reason to expand the playoffs cuz very good teams do not make the postseason.

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