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Tim Lincecum asks for $21.5 million in arbitration

Jan 17, 2012, 6:21 PM EDT

Tim Lincecum AP

Unable to come to terms with the Giants before figures were exchanged Tuesday, Tim Lincecum asked for a record $21.5 million in arbitration.

The Giants proposed a still impressive $17 million salary for their ace.

Lincecum’s filing is a record request for a player with less than six years service time. The Yankees’ Derek Jeter held the previous high mark, asking for $18.5 million in 2001. He avoided arbitration by signing a 10-year, $189 million deal then. Roger Clemens asked for $22 million from the Astros in 2005 after accepting arbitration as a free agent (he later settled for $18 million).

Lincecum just finished up a two-year deal that paid him a $2 million signing bonus, $8 million in 2010 and $13 million last season. He would have been a super-two player in 2010, so he still has two years of arbitration left before becoming a free agent after 2013.

  1. Ari Collins - Jan 17, 2012 at 6:34 PM

    Two more years? Wow. He might end up at $30MM.

  2. hittfamily - Jan 17, 2012 at 6:41 PM

    WordPress is going down at midnight to protest SOPA. HBT is a WordPress blog, so will it be going down as well? WordPress is leaving it up to their blog subscribers to decide. Politics showed itself on here earlier, and will be forced to show itself again. Where does HBT find itself on this issue? It just links to other peoples stories, thus pirating others ideas and work. But it is owned by a company that gets pirated.

    HMM.

    I bet HBT doesn’t have the balls to show solidarity with their comrades at WordPress, Reddit, Wikipedia, etc… who are shutting it down. When the going gets tough, the tough follow mlbtraderumors and report their stories 30 minutes later.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jan 17, 2012 at 7:05 PM

      It just links to other peoples stories, thus pirating others ideas and work. But it is owned by a company that gets pirated.

      Whaaaat? Name one post where they pirated someone else’s work? Time to adjust your tinfoil hat

      • hittfamily - Jan 17, 2012 at 7:16 PM

        Every article they “write” is just a summation of an article someone else researched and wrote. The article we are responding to right now was written by Janie McCauley of the Associated Press. Matthew read someone else’s article, and summarized it for us. It is fine to do, The Huffington Post does the same thing, but neither site has original content or ideas. Every article ever “written” on here starts with “Blank had an iteresting article today. Here is the link to it. Snarky comment. Here is my reason why blank is right/wrong.”

      • hittfamily - Jan 17, 2012 at 7:19 PM

        MLBTR wrote this exact article, including the Jeter/Clemens comparison 1.5 hrs prior to HBT. It is amazing how HBT’s articles so closely resemble MLBTR’s, just 2 hours later.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jan 17, 2012 at 7:36 PM

        And it’s linked directly in this article. That’s not piracy, that’s giving full credit to the author. Can you really not tell the difference?

      • hittfamily - Jan 17, 2012 at 7:51 PM

        Where is Janie McCauley mentioned. Where is Janie McCauley’s advertising. It hyperlinks to the article, but sums the article up so I don’t have to click on it. HBT profits from others writing articles, which they sum up. That was my point. It is legal, but it is stealing someone elses time,money, and ideas. Ask the New York Times how much they like the Huff Post posting their articles on Huffingtonpost.com, that otherwise would require a subscription to view NYtimes’s article.

        This sight rides a very fine line between plagiarism and simply editorial. They do hyperlink to some else’s story. That is the only reason it is not plagiarism or online piracy. If thepiratebay suddenly started hyperlinking a link to itunes, while still giving away the material for free, is it now not piracy?

      • jwbiii - Jan 17, 2012 at 7:53 PM

        Actually, the Huffington Post has a lot of original material. Geoff Stone’s posts on Constitutional law are quite interesting.

      • Ari Collins - Jan 17, 2012 at 8:14 PM

        Summing up an article is not pirating as long as you source it. If you don’t want “pirated” summations of others’ articles (with, I might add, quite often some good commentary added), read the whole internet. We’ll keep reading blogs that bring the best of baseball news to one place, thanks.

      • hittfamily - Jan 17, 2012 at 9:08 PM

        I’m not complaining about it. I come here very frequently. But there is a difference in posting headlines, like google news, then linking to the article for what the article actually says, and what HBT does, which is sell advertising for an article written by someone not on HBT’s staff, but summarized by someone who is.

        Also, Huffpost does have their own stories…now. They were bought by AOL for 500 million dollars without ever writing their own article. Summarizing someone else’s writing pays off big for Arianna Huffington and Craig Calcaterra.

      • Ari Collins - Jan 17, 2012 at 9:40 PM

        What do you call what you’re doing, if not complaining? I think the kindest thing you could say is that you’re offering criticism, but if it’s criticism, it’s misguided at best. As I said, there is value in having a one-stop place for news, commentary, and community. Summarizing the news is part of that.

      • hittfamily - Jan 17, 2012 at 9:54 PM

        It isn’t complaining. I was criticizing the nature of this site. I see the last 2 “articles” written here both actually quote the source, and don’t just have a word or 2 colored green indicating a hyperlink.

        Reporters get paid to write. They research their ideas, and sit down and write an article. They make money by ad revenue sold on their site that records how many people visit that site. Florio does it at PFT. He does the research then writes the articles, and gets paid for doing so. The writers here wait for MLBTR or google news to have something interesting, then they copy and paste the article off of the writer’s website and on to their own. Ad revenue is generated because they can steal content faster than other actual news sites can generate it.

        I called it piracy and I meant it. Not one person clicked the above link to Janie McCauley’s article. They didn’t have to. The article was reposted here. The money was made on this site, while the work was done on another. Piracy.

      • Charles Gates - Jan 17, 2012 at 10:00 PM

        I am pirating the English language with my reply to your comments.

      • hittfamily - Jan 17, 2012 at 10:11 PM

        How is this different than selling bootleg copies of something on the street? This bootleg is a shitty version of the same thing as the original. If you want the real version of this article, here is a link to it. If you want the real real version of this movie, Wal-Mart sells it at this address.

        You can get any movie or song at any newsreader or torrent site for free. The original artists won’t see any profits, but the sites do link to them. Just like here. The original author doesn’t see any of this sites profit, but Janie McCauley’s story is hyperlinked.

      • Ari Collins - Jan 18, 2012 at 12:00 AM

        If “news” were a product with one source that was owned by that source, then yes, it would be just like bootlegging DVDs. But anyone is allowed to pass on a news report. No one owns it. That is the difference.

        Matthew’s job as a blogger is to gather the news and present it on his website, where we can comment on all the news of the day. The AP is not a blog; it does not foster the sense of community that we have here at HBT, nor does it allow for editorial commenting. The AP is staffed by reporters, HBT by bloggers.

        I would suggest that you are, purposefully or through ignorance, misunderstanding the definition of “blog.” If you disagree with what it means to blog, then feel free to wage a one-man crusade to change the definition.

      • The Dangerous Mabry - Jan 18, 2012 at 12:10 AM

        Janie McCauley is a member of the Associated Press. The Associated Press is paid by the news organizations who carry their stories. In this case, the linked story is an associated press article hosted on msnbc. NBC pays the Associated Press to carry their content. You’re reading an NBC site. There’s not an issue here.

      • hittfamily - Jan 18, 2012 at 12:24 AM

        If someone sells other peoples music on their blog, is it legal just because they call it a “web log”? What if I start a blog and have college textbook pdf’s so students can download them without having to pay for them. I can provide a link to their site, but let’s be honest, if we bloggers summarize the link, no one actually clicks the link. I can sell advertising on my site, and the original authors of those textbooks won’ see any profits. Sweet. That’s my new business plan. I will comment on those downloads though, so it won’t be piracy (profiting off other’s intellectual property), just as they do here.

        I guess if I call it a blog, and offer commentary while cutting and pasting other’s intellectual property, it is an editorial, not piracy. Now I understand.

      • Craig Calcaterra - Jan 18, 2012 at 6:55 AM

        Hittfamily: I am puzzled by your reference to us “stealing” MLBTR articles. What amount of original reporting of transaction news do you think MLBTR does? I think they do a wonderful job — and they do have a good deal of original content re: many topics — but “Tim Lincecum files for arbitration” and many others are assembled via watching RSS feeds and Twitter, which is exactly what we do. MLBTR is often faster than us because (a) they are not adding as much opinion/editorial content; and (b) they are not adding licensed photos as we are, which takes some time.

        More generally: what do you make of a newspaper editorial columnist’s work? Say the New York Times reports on a story with its own reporting (e.g. “Mitt Romney loves Japanese tentacle porn”). Then a columnist for the Washington post does this:

        “A report is out that Mitt Romney loves Japanese tentacle porn. This is troubling for the following reasons and I believe impacts his candidacy thusly …” (what follows is 750 words about it).

        Did that columnist steal? In that case, he doesn’t link or even acknowledge the NYT let alone send traffic back to it. Is he a thief? Is he unfairly using NYT content for his own benefit?

        I would say that the vast, vast, vast majority of our posts here fall under that model. We link an original report, we provide a couple of facts from the original report to give readers context and then provide our own analysis of the story not unlike a columnist does. Or an original humorous spin.

        Personally I don’t find that to be illegitimate. I’m not quite sure why you do, but if you do, explain to me how it’s different than my example above.

  3. shandbi - Jan 17, 2012 at 6:58 PM

    Ahhhhh, I was wondering when this day would come… The Giants will be hard pressed to say he doesn’t deserve it. I think they should give him what he wants or the Yankees/Red Sox will come a-knockin’… As a Giants fan for over 50 years, I would really HATE to see him in another teams uniform…

    • sailbum7 - Jan 17, 2012 at 7:43 PM

      He has two more years before he can go anywhere else, unless he is traded of course (which is not likely to happen). The only question now is how high the arbitrator will go if he does not reach a new contract deal with the team first.

  4. aceshigh11 - Jan 17, 2012 at 7:42 PM

    Would he REALLY go to the Yankees, where he’d have to cut off those sexy, boyish locks?

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jan 17, 2012 at 7:50 PM

      Probably depends on the $, which you could insert for every future FA.

  5. meaz23 - Jan 17, 2012 at 8:00 PM

    He’s not that good. Crazy greedy b@stard

    • Kyle - Jan 17, 2012 at 8:38 PM

      He is.

    • Charles Gates - Jan 17, 2012 at 10:02 PM

      Meaz, so you’re saying you’d just offer to leave $3.5MM on the table?

  6. kyleortonsarm - Jan 17, 2012 at 8:04 PM

    He sucks. No good and totally over rated. He’ll wash out of the MLB in 2 years, max.

    • Kyle - Jan 17, 2012 at 8:38 PM

      You’re funny.

  7. Jonny 5 - Jan 17, 2012 at 8:07 PM

    Nice…..

  8. sfs1 - Jan 17, 2012 at 8:10 PM

    Big Time Timmy Jim is going to break arbitration.

  9. blackhawkfan - Jan 17, 2012 at 10:07 PM

    $21.5MM will buy a lot of weed

  10. jonirocit - Jan 18, 2012 at 12:02 AM

    Seriously , this is for sports tools !

  11. Charles Gates - Jan 18, 2012 at 7:22 AM

    Also the straw man that HBT doesn’t send traffic to the inbedded link.

  12. loungefly74 - Jan 18, 2012 at 8:26 AM

    pay the man. give him a 3 year/$60 million. he has earned it.

  13. vincentbojackson - Jan 18, 2012 at 9:26 AM

    Good luck Tim. If you are successful maybe you’ll be able to afford a decent haircut.

  14. kyleortonsarm - Jan 18, 2012 at 10:24 AM

    Tim Lincecum was one of the people who beat Bryan Stowe into a coma last season. They never caught him because, like everyone else in the world, they said a woman at the scene was attacking him viciously while screaming angry sexual things.

    • nategearhart - Jan 18, 2012 at 1:34 PM

      Go fuck yourself and/or die.

    • stex52 - Jan 18, 2012 at 4:08 PM

      You need to work on that “humor” thing. So far not so good.

  15. budship - Jan 18, 2012 at 10:46 AM

    I would like to see the entire internet in the USA shut down in protest of Stop Online Piracy Act in the House and the Protect IP Act in the Senate. We need free internet as much as we need free speech. We as Americans have lost too many rights already. The internet is the future of communication and free speech, we can not allow the government to control it. The government has too many problems trying to control itself. Call your Congressman and Senator and tell them to vote no on Stop Online Piracy Act and the Protect IP Act.

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