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The Cardinals’ offer to Roy Oswalt sounds light

Jan 26, 2012, 9:00 AM EDT

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For the last two days we’ve been talking about Roy Oswalt, the Red Sox, Cardinals and Rangers.  It sounds like he’s leaning toward the latter two. Now, after this tweet from Joe Strauss of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, it sound like the latter one.

Hearing that Cards made bid approaching $5M on Oswalt weeks ago but not likely happening. Rangers probably win, at $2-3M more w/perks.

Oswalt at the $8 million or so we’ve been hearing about him asking for is enough of a bargain. I really can’t see him having to settle for something “approaching $5 million.”  A courtesy bid from the Cardinals, it would seem. A shot in the dark in case everything else falls through.

  1. paperlions - Jan 26, 2012 at 9:05 AM

    If they hadn’t throw away $2.5M on the replacement level pitcher known as Kyle McClellan, they’d have a couple of more million to offer to Oswalt….okay, they have that couple of million more needed anyway, but…you get the point.

    • okwhitefalcon - Jan 26, 2012 at 11:17 AM

      Yep, they’ve got the money if they choose to spend it on Oswalt.

      I’m sure they like him but at Dewitt’s price and terms and that’s it.

      As A Cards fan, I’d love to have him but I don’t see it happening – too much money to leave on the table for Oswalt.

  2. spytdi - Jan 26, 2012 at 9:11 AM

    Hell yes. Jon Daniels is the man.

  3. craigsimsrules - Jan 26, 2012 at 9:20 AM

    A courtesy bid of 5 million bucks? Boy it sucks being roy oswalt. At least he is willing to give a “bargain” to teams, and accept a contract for close to 8 million. Look, his best days are way behind him. And unless he hooks his right arm up to spark plugs again, any team spending that 8 million will realize how washed up he is

    • kiwicricket - Jan 26, 2012 at 9:26 AM

      Have you seen what goes for around 4million in the second-hand yard these days?

  4. muckthefets23 - Jan 26, 2012 at 9:20 AM

    Is anyone else seeing this trend of the Cardinals low balling players? John Mozeliak is a very capable GM but seems to have a leash on him and it’s not around his neck. I suppose it’s better for Roy anyway since the Rangers have a far better chance at getting back to the big time than the red birds.

    • paperlions - Jan 26, 2012 at 9:31 AM

      This offer is low….who else have they “low balled”? Pujols? Um, no. The contract they offered was still far more than a player of his age and skill is worth. Who else?

      People think they paid too much for Beltran and Furcal. They got deals done in season last year with Carpenter and Berkman.

      Some teams, and the Cardinals are one of them, tend to hold money back to give the the flexibility to make moves mid-season when teams are looking to dump salary.

      • muckthefets23 - Jan 26, 2012 at 9:45 AM

        Im not making the statement based off of Roy’s talent or opinions that he’s “washed up” and yes I mean Pujols. Its just comparative to what the rest of the competition for players offer up the, Cardinals seemingly always come in considerably less than others. I’m not incinuating that its a poor move, as I had said John Mozeliak is a good GM. I was simply pointing out that I get an impression that the wallet is a lot tighter in St. Louis than it is in a lot of other places in the league.

      • paperlions - Jan 26, 2012 at 9:51 AM

        I agree that “DeWallet” has too tight a grip on the purse strings….but I would argue that just because some other team is willing to offer dumb contracts doesn’t mean that a team’s negotiation strategy should be different. After all….if you sign a player, that usually means you were willing to pay more than every one of the other 29 teams.

      • saints97 - Jan 26, 2012 at 9:54 AM

        So a team bids the second most and they are low-balling a guy?

        Great theory: If you don’t win the bidding, then you low-balled the guy.

      • stlouis1baseball - Jan 26, 2012 at 12:12 PM

        Saints: Yeah…the have the 2nd highest offer and they are low balling Roy.
        Very similar to them offering the 3rd highest contract in the HISTORY of the Game to Albert.
        Albert it turned it down…so they “low balled” him as well.

    • stlouis1baseball - Jan 26, 2012 at 9:49 AM

      Muck: They aren’t low balling anyone. They currently have 5 starters AND Lance Lynn.
      To sign Roy (and move him into the rotation)…would result in them having to swallow a large portion of Lohse and/or Westbrooks contract. Very unlikely. Even moreso unlikely…finding a team to take on a portion of one of these contracts. The bigger issue (in my opinion)…is Roy’s health over the last few years. With all this in mind…5 million seems about right to me.
      One question:
      Paper posed it initially…who specifically have you seen the Cardinals low ball?
      What “trend” are you referring to? Take a look at their payroll over the last several years and compare it to other similar teams (market wise). I think you will find the Cardinals have hovered just outside the top ten (where they should be).

      • muckthefets23 - Jan 26, 2012 at 9:57 AM

        Touche’, maybe i’m misreading this impression, but with the circumstances you just pointed out: “currently have 5 starters AND Lance Lynn.
        To sign Roy (and move him into the rotation)…would result in them having to swallow a large portion of Lohse and/or Westbrooks contract. Very unlikely. Even moreso unlikely…finding a team to take on a portion of one of these contracts. The bigger issue (in my opinion)…is Roy’s health over the last few years.” Why even make him an offer? It just seems pointless to me as its very unlikely he’d even entertain the idea of accepting it.

      • tmg610 - Jan 27, 2012 at 1:44 AM

        i sorry i must be missing the point here didnt we beat oswalt in the nlds just a few months ago twice . we should be going after jackson and we just won a won a world series with carp, garcia,loshe, lynn, and a little from westbrock and now we will have wainright

    • The Baseball Idiot - Jan 26, 2012 at 3:01 PM

      So you’re saying that the Cardinals didn’t buy the World Series last year?

  5. lewsiv - Jan 26, 2012 at 9:32 AM

    I don’t think this is lowballing. The cards already have five established starters in the rotation. Waino, Carp, and Garcia aren’t going anywhere. Lohse and Westbrook are serviceable to good as 4 and 5 guys. Not only would you have to pay Oswalt 5 mill you would have to pay one of the others to take a trade.

    This really has nothing to do with Mcclellan as he is a bullpen guy.

    That and with his shakey heatlh Oswalt is not worth 8 mill. I bet he misses half his starts this season with more “back” problems.

  6. hank10 - Jan 26, 2012 at 9:45 AM

    Perhaps the market for an older pitcher, who has a history of back problems, and likes to leave a team when a tornado ‘warning’ occurs near his home and then operates heavy machinery while clearing debris while he is nursing a back injury warrants ‘low ball’ offers?

    • muckthefets23 - Jan 26, 2012 at 9:51 AM

      Well while its ok to tend to ones family in a time of need, the circumstances that his back was ailing him and he was being paid a substantial amount of money to pitch, not be a one man emergency mgmt. crew, make his actions unjustified.

  7. Francisco (FC) - Jan 26, 2012 at 9:46 AM

    Really Moz? 5MM? Come on…

  8. mojosmagic - Jan 26, 2012 at 9:48 AM

    Insulting offer. The Cards are lucky the people in the mid west are nice. Win an unexpected World Series, have a quality high price manager retire, lose Pujos &Jackson and are still to cheap to shell out a couple of million more on a guy capable of winning 15 games. Hard to understand what they are doing with their money.

    • stlouis1baseball - Jan 26, 2012 at 9:53 AM

      Far from insulting. Inury history. Take a look at it. Again…they already have 5 starters locked up. They are not going to eat Lohse or Westbrooks contracts. They are NOT the Phillies, Yankees, Red Sox or Angels. Meaning…they typically try to avoid pissing away their money.
      Because it really doesn’t “grow on trees” for most MLB teams.

      • stex52 - Jan 26, 2012 at 10:19 AM

        Your point about markets is fair. But I still think that if they don’t grab him at what could be a bargain price for performance, they will regret it. I think Roy has another year in the tank.

        But obviously a lot of GM’s don’t agree with me.

      • paperlions - Jan 26, 2012 at 11:08 AM

        I agree stex, it is way better to have an “extra” starter paying Oswalt $8M than flailing about for a replacement when your 4th or 5th starters collapse….and honestly, won’t at least one of Lohse/Westbrook probably need to be replaced if the Cardinals want to win? They won’t be able to replace them for cheaper than the $7-8M Oswalt is asking for.

  9. uyf1950 - Jan 26, 2012 at 9:49 AM

    I think he’ll get his $7 or 8MM guaranteed plus maybe a million or so in incentives and it will probably be in a Rangers uniform.

    Just a guess. But he does know and have a good relationship with Ryan and several of the other people on the Rangers. And he does live a lot closer to Arlington than to Boston. I think the smart monies on him hooking up with the Rangers.

  10. 12strikes - Jan 26, 2012 at 9:53 AM

    IF the Phillies would trade Kendrick ( for a bag of ball, is stupid enough to give up a bag of balls) that would free up 3 mill, throw another 2.5 on top of that and bring Roy back to fill KK role. He’ll have a MUCH better change of getting his ring with the Phillies then with the cards.

    • stlouis1baseball - Jan 26, 2012 at 9:54 AM

      Yeah…I am sure he thought that last year too.

      • 12strikes - Jan 26, 2012 at 10:26 AM

        Another fan that lives on yesteryear. I’m talking this year. But it makes you feel better to talk about last season, have at it. BTW… Did you get your Pujols Angel’s Jersey yet?

        I have to admit Phillies fans to have a luxury of routing for a team where players actually get paid and want to stay here.

      • fearlessleader - Jan 26, 2012 at 12:03 PM

        12strikes sure is doing a lot to challenge the stereotypes of Phillie fans!

      • stlouis1baseball - Jan 26, 2012 at 12:07 PM

        Living on “yesteryear?” They are the current WS Champion. Far from “yesteryear.”
        They also have everyone back with the exception of Albert. This “everyone” I am referring to is their staff Ace who was out at ST last year…pluse some viable additions.
        The Cardinals are going to be just fine. Your comment about the Phillies fans have the luxury is irrelevant. Meaning…markets dictate what “luxury” a team does and does NOT have. As far as players wanting to stay…who has left the team? Most players in the history of the Cardinals organization have taken less money to STAY.
        So that point doesn’t hold water either.
        Of course…your gonna lose water when your bucket has holes in it.

      • stlouis1baseball - Jan 26, 2012 at 12:09 PM

        Yeah…I was just going to let that one go Fearless. I mean…it’s all a big “myth” right?
        Pure fabrication. No history and/or examples of this happening whatsoever.

  11. Jonny 5 - Jan 26, 2012 at 10:03 AM

    You know this is making Amaro’s teeth itch and his trigger finger twitch don’t you?

    • stex52 - Jan 26, 2012 at 10:21 AM

      Bet you are right.

    • badmamainphilliesjamas - Jan 26, 2012 at 10:30 AM

      Just thinking the same thing…

    • Ruben Amaro, NinJr. - Jan 26, 2012 at 11:38 AM

      SHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Damn, Jonny….

  12. uyf1950 - Jan 26, 2012 at 2:26 PM

    Here is the most recent Oswalt UPDATE. Based on the Red Sox offer mentioned below. It wouldn’t appear that they are going after Oswalt “aggressively”.

    Roy Oswalt Rumors: Thursday
    By Ben Nicholson-Smith [January 26 at 1:07pm CST]
    The latest rumors on Roy Oswalt suggest the Cardinals, Rangers, Red Sox, Nationals, Indians and Brewers are in the mix for the right-hander. Oswalt wasn’t interested in joining the Tigers, but the Cardinals and Red Sox have also made him offers and the other clubs appear to be monitoring the situation. Here are today’s Oswalt rumors:

    The Red Sox offered Oswalt about $5MM, ESPN.com’s Buster Olney reports. The Red Sox don’t seem interested in signing pitchers to long-term contracts, as Olney points out.

  13. rbirdfan - Jan 26, 2012 at 6:37 PM

    I like the fact that over the last 15 years the Cardinals have consistently been in contention. In the last 7 years they have been to the World Series 3 times and have won 2 . I think the Cardinals ownership has done a fantastic job! They have made sure we have a competitive and entertaining. They have been able to do this by spending money on reasonably healthy players who have a strong desire to win.

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