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Roy Oswalt is not happy with the Cardinals’ offer

Feb 1, 2012, 10:30 AM EDT

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We’ve known that the Cardinals and Roy Oswalt have been pussy-footing around one another. But now we know that Roy Oswalt does not like the Cardianls’ pussy-footing:  Ken Rosenthal reports that the Cardinals have not made Roy Oswalt an offer “that the pitcher deems anywhere close to sufficient.”

As Rosenthal notes, Oswalt is much to blame for this. He’s made it clear that he only wants to pitch in Texas or St. Louis. If you’re the Cards or the Rangers, there’s no sense in bowling him over, then. And heck: Texas, as far as we know, hasn’t even made an offer yet.

When you say no to Boston and other teams that are interested, this is what happens.

  1. gostros19 - Feb 1, 2012 at 10:35 AM

    There is another team in Texas you know….

    • stex52 - Feb 1, 2012 at 10:48 AM

      I have nothing but gratitude and respect for the years that Oswalt spent in Houston, but that is not happening. He won’t end up going for any less than 5-6 MM$, and that is way out of the question for them. Livan Hernandez at 1 MM$ is much more their speed for the next two or three years. And even though though the trade was agreed to by all sides, I think that always leaves just a little residue of bitterness. I know that Cecil Cooper as a manager hurt Oswalt’s view of the organization, and I can’t see him ever going back.

      Craig is right, Oswalt would be an asset to Texas or St. Louis, but both have full staffs (on paper) and by telegraphing his intentions he just lowered his price a lot. My hope is that he just gets over his resentment and signs with the Cards. He makes them better. And he will have his old buddy Lance there. But I could see him retiring, too.

      • gostros19 - Feb 1, 2012 at 5:51 PM

        Yes and i 100% agree with you. But, say Stros sign him to a one year deal and the first half of the year he puts up solid numbers, then heck why not use him to build the farm system through trades, again?

    • paperlions - Feb 1, 2012 at 10:48 AM

      Why would the Astros waste $8-10M for a pitcher that will have no effect on their ability to compete for a playoff spot? If they sign players like Oswalt that give them a few more wins….all they are doing is damaging their draft position…which should probably be their primary concern for the next couple of years.

      • stex52 - Feb 1, 2012 at 10:57 AM

        Exactly Jim Crane’s position as stated to the press.

    • unlost1 - Feb 1, 2012 at 12:07 PM

      no, i didn’t

    • Chip Caray's Eyebrows - Feb 1, 2012 at 3:37 PM

      Barely.

  2. mtr3618 - Feb 1, 2012 at 10:42 AM

    He wants to be closer to home and on a WINNING team. Why would he want to play for the Astros?

  3. rjmarrella - Feb 1, 2012 at 10:48 AM

    the cardinals have been low-balling everyone they talk to (according to HBT) … does this come to anyone’s surprise?
    But after a front row seat to Oswalt over the last season and a half, it also needs to be noted that Oswalt is a bit of a malcontent… he will be remembered in Philadelphia as a brooding individual who did not ever seem to embrace the fun atmosphere that surrounded the Phillies during his tenure…
    Oswalt has always been one of my favorite pitchers since his days with the Astros but after seeing him remain solemn during consecutive division titles, one can only wonder if he is just ready for the next stage of his career and is trying to get one more paycheck before doing so.

    • phillyphreak - Feb 1, 2012 at 10:54 AM

      ” he will be remembered in Philadelphia as a brooding individual who did not ever seem to embrace the fun atmosphere that surrounded the Phillies during his tenure…”

      What?

      • Utley's Hair - Feb 1, 2012 at 12:26 PM

        Exactly.

    • stex52 - Feb 1, 2012 at 11:02 AM

      Roy was never a problem on a team. Just a man with his own priorities, and not one given to overt displays. In spite of the stories after the tornadoes last year I don’t know that I think he ever gave less than his best. But he said many times he never cared about records. He is just all about the competition. He may be ready to pull up stakes if he doesn’t like the offers he gets.

      He is already rich.

    • paperlions - Feb 1, 2012 at 11:11 AM

      Please list every player the Cardinals have low-balled.

      They have signed 2 guys to contracts that people think are a little high on AAV, but are okay because they are short-term.

      They resigned Carpenter and Berkman during the 2011 season.

      They offered Pujols far more than he’ll be worth for the remainder of his career, but someone else offered him a dumber contract.

      They already have 5 starters under contract for next year and have other options in the pen (Lynn/McClellan) and the minors. Oswalt isn’t a need. If you insist on selling me something I don’t need, you aren’t going to get as much as you would from someone that does need it (unless I’m an idiot and willing to throw away money for something I’ll just have to find a place to store). Yes, Oswalt is an upgrade over Lohse/Westbrook….so what…that doesn’t mean the team is obliged to meet his demands.

      • 78mu - Feb 1, 2012 at 11:50 AM

        I bet Furcal and Beltran got those low ball offers from the Cards and said, aw shucks, I guess we’ll have to take it. Berkman and Carp were probably just happy to get some scraps from the team. And Pujols got low balled by an offer topped only by a handful of contracts in baseball history.

        I somehow missed those stories where HBT writers were sitting in on the negotiations where the team refused to validate the free agents parking and would reverse the charges when they called them on the phone.

      • okwhitefalcon - Feb 1, 2012 at 12:06 PM

        The only peceived low ball from the Cards was with Albert and the 5 year offer really, not the best foot forward from a PR standpoint with a home grown player of a generation type but water under the bridge now considering how it played out with Moreno’s market blowing offer.

        A couple of overpays AAV wise with Beltran and Furcal and two good signs with players that may have got more on the open market with Carpenter and Berkman.

        As said above, why overpay when your rotation is full and the free agent in question has narrowed his own options?

        Oswalt for the Cards is a luxury, not a necessity.

    • Utley's Hair - Feb 1, 2012 at 12:25 PM

      “…he will be remembered in Philadelphia as a brooding individual who did not ever seem to embrace the fun atmosphere that surrounded the Phillies during his tenure…”

      What the hell are you talking about? After 2007, the whole team has been on a “NL East crown? Meh.” title hunt. They’re not interested in just the division. They want that hunk of metal with all the flags and the ring that comes with it.

      By the way, he did make it to the World Series before, so he might have been on that page before he came here as well.

    • johnwvideo - Feb 4, 2012 at 11:16 AM

      Interesting that you get 26 thumbs down for just making a statement that you saw in Phillie, it only shows that people have no idea what they are doing or have any clue about the game !

      Personally you saw and read about him in the Phillie papers, I would think your in a better position to know what you saw last season and 1/2 with Roy then those of us that only saw him a few times.

      Being that he is like a baby over this contract, just let him retire. No way should the Cardinals go overboard on him at this point.. As much as I would like to see him signed.

  4. jgreiner9 - Feb 1, 2012 at 10:58 AM

    Maybe he was acting solemn due to the fact that he’s been there before, won division titles, and new just because they won a division the job still isn’t over.

  5. thefalcon123 - Feb 1, 2012 at 11:07 AM

    Not only did he proclaim he only wants to play for one of two teams, both of those teams already have set rotations without him.

    The Cardinals have Carpenter, Wainwright, Garcia, Lohse and Westbrook under contract. While subbing Oswalt for Westbrook would be ideal, it’s hardly the end of the world if it doesn’t happen.

    As for the Rangers, with Feliz moving to the rotation they have Lewis, Darvish, Holland, Feliz, Harrison AND Ogando. Unless they shooting for a 7 man rotation, Oswalt on anything more than a bargain deal doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. I hope Roy learned a very valuable lesson from this.

  6. Francisco (FC) - Feb 1, 2012 at 12:15 PM

    Yeah Oz, you’re not helping yourself by saying you will only sign with one of two teams who already have a full starting pitching staff…

  7. brucewaynewins - Feb 1, 2012 at 12:19 PM

    I will give up my kidney and one of my lungs if the Reds sign Oswalt. If we can keep him out of the NL Central I’ll donate blood. He is a Reds killer and could win the 3-4 games needed to win the division over the Reds.

    • brucewaynewins - Feb 1, 2012 at 12:22 PM

      Hopefully Craig sees this. Walt Jocketty mentioned last week to John Fay (Red’s beat writer) that Oswalt’s agent had approached the Reds about a deal but he didn’t see it happening. He pretty much said word for word the same thing he said about why they wouldn’t sign Madson and they signed him anyways.

    • stlouis1baseball - Feb 1, 2012 at 5:00 PM

      Hahaha! Great reply Bruce. My buddies (all Redlegs fans) have been lamenting the possibility of the Cardinals signing Roy. Like yourself…they also want him out of the NL Central.

  8. snowbirdgothic - Feb 1, 2012 at 12:49 PM

    RAJ ninja move in three…two…one…

    • Utley's Hair - Feb 1, 2012 at 12:53 PM

      From your lips…er, keyboard, to NinJr.’s ears.

  9. spudchukar - Feb 1, 2012 at 12:52 PM

    While many of the opinions offered here have merit, value still deserves commensurate value. Getting Oswalt for anywhere near 7-8 mil is a deal. Just because a player makes it known to have a preference for a particular team, doesn’t mean he should be devalued to the nth degree.

    The Cardinal management has done a good job, after botching the negotiations with Pujols. This is not the time to put the squeeze on a player just because you can. It causes resentment which can create a delatarious effect on the club.

    It is true the Cards do not “need” Oswalt, but the management has the money, dependable back-ups and depth everywhere else, and this is the deal that could not only put St. Louis over the top, it would go a long way in repairing the management/fan base.

    Oswalt averaged 16 wins a year for about 10 years, and still has quality stuff. The only question is his health. He is already paying dearly for his previous ailments. Don’t add insult to injury.

    • paperlions - Feb 1, 2012 at 1:08 PM

      If a player is so unprofessional that he lets a negotiation affect his play, do you want him on your team? If he is that sensitive to outside factors, something is going to affect his play sooner or later (likely sooner).

    • stlouis1baseball - Feb 1, 2012 at 5:05 PM

      You simply do not overpay when it isn’t warranted. In this case…it isn’t warranted.
      If they had a team in line to eat some of Westbrook or Lohse’s salaries…that would be something entirely different.

  10. brockohol - Feb 1, 2012 at 1:16 PM

    cards botched the pujols deal??? god told him to go to California…it was out of their hands

  11. xmatt0926x - Feb 1, 2012 at 1:47 PM

    I wouldn’t call Oswalt a malcontent or brooding. I would say that he just isn’t a ray of sunshine, but Cliff Lee isn’t exactly a smily-happy guy during interviews either. I think Oswalt’s biggest problem is that for the teams that he wants to go to he is just a luxury item just as he was in Philly. The Cardinals will get to where they are going with Carpenter, Wainwright, and Garcia. The top 3 are what counts in October and the 4th starter might start a game or 2 at most in the playoffs. To me a very good 4th starter helps get you to the playoffs by helping you during the regular season to win your division but the value of that 4th starter dries up in a short series in the playoffs. I’m a Phillies fan and watched him closely the last year and a half. He’s a guy who shows spurts of what he used to be but the talent that is left is nowhere near what casual observers might think of when they hear “Roy Oswalt”. He’s still better than alot of whats out there but he’s not a major difference maker for teams like the Phillies,Rangers, or Cardinals.

  12. tonynoriega - Feb 1, 2012 at 6:38 PM

    Oswalt would be a 3-4 starter… how much fing money does he want? Jeez…his best years are behind him and he is breaking down…

    Get off your high horse and sign with a championship team Roy…

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