Comments on: Oil Can Boyd admits that he was on cocaine in two-thirds of his games

By: plmathfoto

plmathfoto — Sat, 18 Feb 2012 17:47:00 +0000

Just watched mlb networks’ a Postseason to Remember about 1986. I’m in a unique position as being both a Mets (1st) fan & RedSox fan (2nd), was actually called a frontrunner in 1986 lol. Boyd always looked funny on the mound, especially in bigger games. Watching the playoffs and rooting for the Sox was really scary when he pitched, I was happy for the Mets when he was on the mound in the series. Also during the Postseason2remember broadcast they said Boyd was unavailable for game 7, even though he was supposed to start. This happened because of a rain day, so they went with Hurst and they said on the show Boyd had a few drinks too many causing unavailability. Wonder/suspect the coke being part of this?

By: richwizl

richwizl — Sat, 11 Feb 2012 16:21:03 +0000

I enjoyed watching OC in his day; he was entertaining and had skills. I never wanted to see him in a really critical game, however, because he was apt to do something weird; he was a loose cannon, for sure; a little bit “out there”, as they say. He simply was not a good risk after a while; nothing to do with his being a proud black man surrounded by bigots. I’m still a fan of The Can, though.

By: havlicekstoletheball

havlicekstoletheball — Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:26:06 +0000

Oil Can admitting a coke habit surprises nobody who watched him play. But he wasn’t the only one. And weird as he was, he at least didn’t seem like an a**hole, like Clemens and Boggs and Armas and Greenwell.

By: scout144

scout144 — Fri, 10 Feb 2012 04:52:57 +0000

idiot is the black man that don’t see racism

By: skeleteeth

skeleteeth — Thu, 09 Feb 2012 23:22:00 +0000

Yes, you poor, poor, marginalized aging white man. It must be so hard settling into mediocrity. So much so that you can now equate your plight with that of African-Americans and women. And now, it is in your best interests to get a prostate exam! Man, that must really be a downer.

By: humanexcrement

humanexcrement — Thu, 09 Feb 2012 23:20:29 +0000

Yeah. Whitey has nothing better to do than bust Oil Can Boyd’s balls. Got news for you, Boyd, you DID get chance after chance after chance. That’s why they kept you around for YEARS, despite the fact that they apparently knew you were a frequent cocaine user. I think what’s happening now is that Boyd is out of money and needs to drum up a little controversy to pay off his credit card bills. And look, it’s working. Either way, I’m sick of this shit that every time a non-white person doesn’t get what they want, it’s because of racism. There’s real racism out there, to be sure, but asserting that white people are racist by nature is just plain stupid. Not wanting to employ an admitted daily cocaine user is not racist, it’s good judgement.

By: florida727

florida727 — Thu, 09 Feb 2012 23:06:19 +0000

Sorry, but yeah, white men DO experience racism/sexism. I used to do television work. (Like the old joke goes, I have a face for radio.) Sounds self-serving, sorry, but I happen to have a pretty good voice and am very well-spoken. I was flat-out told by one television exec, for what would have been a VERY lucrative position, that “if you were a black female, I’d hire you right now”. So, yeah, white males aren’t exempt. But you know what? I moved on. Got something I liked even better. Why? Because unlike Boyd, I didn’t pass my misfortune off on the (WHITE) color of MY skin and use that as an excuse to accomplish nothing… which is what “Can” has done since leaving baseball. Good luck with the book, Boyd. Both people that read it will probably enjoy it.

By: humanexcrement

humanexcrement — Thu, 09 Feb 2012 23:00:53 +0000

I’m shocked and offended by this. Boyd is an insult to cocaine.

By: florida727

florida727 — Thu, 09 Feb 2012 22:37:54 +0000

Agreed. Every time a “person of color” is too stupid to act the way normal human beings act, it’s because of the color of his skin. How about maybe it’s simply because you’re an idiot, Can?

By: JBerardi

JBerardi — Thu, 09 Feb 2012 22:30:08 +0000

“White men can be the victim of racism and sexism, just like anybody else. At least that’s what I took out of it.”

You’re right, racism really isn’t a racial issue. Wait, what?

By: El Bravo

El Bravo — Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:16:21 +0000

@skids003 – I hear you. It must be annoying at the very least though to have stereotype persisting out there that paints your entire region as less intelligent. My other comments here point to my own distaste for views that persist from centuries ago that paint blacks as less intelligent as a group or as a group that should know their place. That’s were ‘articulate’ and ‘outspoken’ come in to play and that’s where those words have some history. Trust me, I laugh it off a lot too in my own personal life, but today I felt like being outspoken….

By: El Bravo

El Bravo — Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:10:25 +0000

Again, much respect for your comments and the thought put in to them, Stlouis. I agree with everything you said about it not just being black and white. I hate ignorant sonsofbitches of all colors b/c those are the ones perpetuating most racist sentiments among all races. Unfortunately, ignorant sonsoftbitches are everywhere, never go away and make themselves present at the least opportune times. You know, like a raging case of herpes…

By: greasebawl

greasebawl — Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:43:32 +0000

Looking forward to reading the book. Has anyone here read Between the Lines by Steve Howe or Heat by Dwight Gooden?

By: yettyskills

yettyskills — Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:59:09 +0000

Oh Skeleteeth is just upset that “Whities” controls the banana market

Please prove me right and ban me while allowing Skeleteeth to use the same slurs without consequences.

By: stlouis1baseball

stlouis1baseball — Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:56:58 +0000

Church: I watched it. Actually, I have seen it previously. I sincerely meant “thank you” when I stated such. His comparison to a retarded person made me laugh out loud. I fully appreciate where he is coming from. I also understand (in this context only) where Bravo is coming from. Me…I will continue to use the word to describe EVERYONE when I see fit because I am not “an affluent white person who has undertones of racisim.” Meaning…when hilljack white people add a 2nd or 3rd syllable to a 1 syllable word…they are not the most “articulate” person you will communicate and/or correspond with. When a getto-fied racist black person uses words not even accepted as a form of ebonics that person is not the most “articulate” person you will communicate and/or correspond with.
Please know I do understand your (and Bravo’s) point. There are times when some feel the use of the word “articulate” or “well spoken” or “polished” are complimentary when they are actually quite racist when used in certain contexts.

By: skids003

skids003 — Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:47:34 +0000

Hey Bravo, I see where you are coming from.. Just a sidenote, I work for a company in the Deep South whose home ofice is up north, and I hear comments all the time about how inarticulate we speak down here. They have even made comments about how our southern accents make us sound slow. But we laugh because we know better!!!

By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged

churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged — Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:40:46 +0000

Yes, I completely read your post. And the usage that El Bravo is talking about and what you wrote are two completely different things. Watch that video I posted, it’s exactly what Bravo is referring to.

Of course there are racists of all colors, and people who speak well and don’t. However, there was a large period of time when [mostly] white affluent people who had undertones of racism would use the world “articulate” or “well spoken” when describing an educated black man/woman thinking it was a complement when it’s veiled racism.

By: stlouis1baseball

stlouis1baseball — Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:37:39 +0000

Bravo:
In a nutshell…this is why you came across (to ME anyway) as making it solely white vs. black.

“This here is the new black (pun intended): white people (yeah I said it) who see race brought up by a non-white person and immediatlely pounce and claim it as a invalid argument or “excuse” (although often stated less eloquently).”

By: stlouis1baseball

stlouis1baseball — Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:33:08 +0000

Bravo: Kudo’s on the use of “off-topicness.” I dig it. It made me laugh. And I am going to try to work it in where possible. The first few times I will give you credit. But once it starts rolling off the tongue all “second-nature like” it’s all mine. LOL!

By: El Bravo

El Bravo — Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:32:43 +0000

“It isn’t always white vs. black.” I still have no clue why you keep painting me into this corner like I’m pitting on vs. the other. Nonsense.

By: lyon810

lyon810 — Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:30:29 +0000

you must have been truly a pain in the ass to work with: The guy who gets offended by everything.

By: El Bravo

El Bravo — Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:29:31 +0000

StLouis, I respect your commentary, although disagree with it often. This comment, on the other hand, is so tangential to my point that clearly you can’t understand what I’m getting at. Calling ME out on making everything black vs. white is so far off base that you might as well be on a football field (get it?). You don’t know me in real life or else you’d laugh at yourself. That’s all I’m gonna say there b/c you literally have no clue what I’m getting at and decided instead that you needed to ride a high horse of off-topicness. Yes, I realize there are racists of every color, I promise. Much much more than you ever will, that I also promise.

By: stlouis1baseball

stlouis1baseball — Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:25:40 +0000

Church: Thank you for the link. Please know I understand the premise of which Bravo is speaking. With that in mind…did you even read my post? I mean the entire post. I state that because I am fully aware of how long it was.
My point is/was…I have often used the word(s) articulate, well spoken, intellingent, etc… when referencing “people.” I use the word “people” as an illustration of everyone. No different than the white racist hilljacks I refered to as not being “articulate.” No different than the racist getto-fied black people i refered to as not being “articulate.” Racism is a mind set. I have a lifelong friend who I routinely spent the night with while growing up. He was once engaged to a white chick and his parents kicked him out of the house and he stayed with me at my Parents house. While his Mother and Father treated me like I was their own…their reaction to his engagement clearly lends itself to a racist mind set. This is just another illustration of racism.
It isn’t always white vs. black.

By: havlicekstoletheball

havlicekstoletheball — Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:15:20 +0000

So he attributes his running coke habit to being “an outspoken black”, even though he had teammates who saw the problem and reached out to him?

The man had a God-given talent that he pissed away by sucking powder up his nose, he made more money in an average year than most people make in twenty, and the cause of his troubles is RACISM?

Peddle it someplace else.

I will say, stupid as Oil Can is, that Roger Clemens makes him sound like Stephen Hawking.

By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged

churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged — Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:10:54 +0000

@stlouis, forgive me for putting words in El Bravo’s mouth, but this is essentially what he’s saying. Take it away Chris Rock (note volume is a bit loud, so use headphones please)

By: stlouis1baseball

stlouis1baseball — Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:04:06 +0000

Well stated Cur. I have come to expect it from you. We (and I mean everyone)…need to stop confirming biases. Playing into the stereotype if you will.
Once that subsides…the ball is in motion. And for the record…I absolutely loved watching Oil Can pitch. Big fan.

By: Truckin'

Truckin' — Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:54:56 +0000

The only Can the Red Sox pitchers will carrying to the mound this year is a kerosene one when they get lit up by TB and the NYY.

By: stlouis1baseball

stlouis1baseball — Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:54:34 +0000

Bravo: Articulate is a wonderful word. You do realize their are racist black people, racist Mexicans, racist Italians AND racist white people don’t you? I know several hilljack racist white people who you can barely understand (if at all). These people are not articulate. I know several ghetto-fied racist black people who you can barely understand (if at all). These people are not articulate. When people routinely use race as a crutch it has a tendency to fall on deaf ears. Further, it perpetuates a “whao’s me” attitude. It will always boggle my mind that people seem to think the only racism in our society involves white vs. black.
It’s laughable. It happens all the time to people who frequently associate in places predominantly populated by another race. Hell…it happened to me during the Super Bowl. The person (of a different race) talked around, above and through me.
He simply would not address me…or my questions.
My solution: I continued raising my voice until the dude couldn’t think straight.
I can be incredibly loud. My buddies noticed what was happening and started walking away while laughing their asses off. Ultimately, the punk ass answered my questions and I thanked him for his incredibly important time. You do NOT have to be black to experience racism. To think otherwise is incredibly ignorant.

By: El Bravo

El Bravo — Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:41:14 +0000

c’mon there’s gotta be way more than six out there…

By: El Bravo

El Bravo — Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:39:36 +0000

Paper, I agree it’s not that black and white (more purposeful punage)….seriously, I didn’t link that article b/c I really believe the use was derogatory in any way toward Harrison. I’d have to know the author of that article to get an understanding of the context in which he/she wrote that sentence. That said, I’m not convinced the choice of words was an accident either. All I’m going to say further on the subject is that I truly believe there is without a doubt a entirely different, and negative, connotation used when applying “outspoken” and “articulate” to blacks. Both words have a history proving this much. Nowadays, both are used often and clearly aren’t derogatory in their own right, but context and intent mean everything.

Now, I do know one thing, Luke Scott was definitely called a douchenozzle at least once.

Finally, for all further commentary on this article, Oil Can, or his book, I will direct everyone to Cur’s comment below b/c that’s what I meant to say…