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Ozzie Guillen: Hanley Ramirez not on board with move to third base. Yet.

Feb 14, 2012, 7:49 PM EDT

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Marlins manager Ozzie Guillen was asked Tuesday whether Hanley Ramirez is “absolutely 100 percent on board” with moving to third base this season to accommodate shortstop Jose Reyes. In his response, Guillen did not mince words (see the video at the Miami Herald‘s website):

“No,” Guillen said. “No, Hanley is not 100 percent on board. Not yet. The last time I talked to him, no. But I don’t expect him to be. I expect him to be 100 percent on board with this move when we play St. Louis (on Opening Night). Right now, just let it be, man. Let it be.”

“This is Hanley’s team,” the new Miami skipper concluded. “Those guys they brought in from the outside is to help him.”

Guillen is obviously hoping that Ramirez will eventually view the addition of Reyes for what it is — part of an effort to make the Marlins more successful as a franchise. But we get a sense of recognition from Guillen that there could be some drama in camp this spring. Making now a great time to remind HBT’s readers that the Marlins will be featured on this year’s edition of “The Franchise” on Showtime. Get your popcorn ready.

  1. drmonkeyarmy - Feb 14, 2012 at 7:54 PM

    This is going to be one helluva interesting season in South Beach. With all the talk of Hanley, Reyes, Ozzie, Stanton, etc….their season really hinges on the health of Josh Johnson. For my money, nothing is better than Doc vs Josh Johnson. Great stuff.

  2. randygnyc - Feb 14, 2012 at 8:28 PM

    A’s a Yankee fan for over 40 years, I have never really cared for any other MLB team. Until now, lol. This is going to be great. The dynamics in Miami are reason enough to renew

  3. dwick21 - Feb 14, 2012 at 8:48 PM

    come on over to the nats. we’ll keep you at SS and put you in the leadoff spot.

  4. archilochusColubris - Feb 14, 2012 at 9:37 PM

    Hanley’s mind is still reeling from the realization that he’ll be playing the same position as Miguel Cabrera this year.

  5. Old Gator - Feb 14, 2012 at 10:31 PM

    Sure, Ozzie. Shoot your inguinal mouth off about how he’s not on board yet, then tell the same journalists you just primed with expectations of melodrama to “let it be.” Brilliant.

    • protius - Feb 15, 2012 at 12:08 AM

      Inguinal? Inguinal? You must have a fixation with “slobbering Ozzies” groin…….Lmao

      • Old Gator - Feb 15, 2012 at 6:43 AM

        It has to do with the shape of his mouth in an old photo that ran here early last year. It’s also an oblique reference to a description of the young Francis Dollarhyde in the novel Silence of the Lambs. You’ve arrived on the scene kinda late.

      • protius - Feb 15, 2012 at 2:01 PM

        Gator, since you are the English professor that some here hold in high esteem, I must seek your advice in this matter. When exactly is it appropriate to use a two dollar word? And when is pretense suitable to the occasion?

        Tell me something Professor; if you malign someone for their pompousness, and then you give way to pomposity yourself, does that make you a charlatan? Or am I being to unsympathetic?

        I’ll paraphrase your friend cur68: This is a baseball blog, not a literary syllabus.

      • Old Gator - Feb 15, 2012 at 5:23 PM

        Two dollar words and pretense are both suitable either in good fun or when the two dollar word makes the precise statement it needs to make in a fuller and more specific way than a catch-all one dollar word. This is not rocket science. And considering that some of your more virulent and hysterical attacks on “my friend Cur” were based on your supposed superior linguistic skills and vocabulary, it’s kind funny – not to say hypocritical – of you to come on here pretending to be offended when other people apply their own linguistic skills to constructing their blog posts. But then, consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, isn’t it?

        Next point: you either don’t pay attention or you’re here too infrequently to know that we’ve been through this “this is a baseball blog” nonsense quite a few times, and Craig has made it clear that he neither expects nor wants us to partition our thinking that way. Anything goes as long as it’s amusing, entertaining, enlightening or whatever. If that license doesn’t appeal to you, you could always start your own blog and impose your own parameters.

      • vivabear - Feb 15, 2012 at 5:55 PM

        “Anything goes as long as it’s amusing, entertaining, enlightening or whatever.”

        Um….let’s see, I choose whatever to categorize your posts.

      • Old Gator - Feb 15, 2012 at 7:06 PM

        Good. I left “whatever” out there for those semi-literates like yourself who lack the imagination or substance to come up with anything more descriptive or colorful themselves.

      • protius - Feb 15, 2012 at 8:27 PM

        Gator, you were doing just fine until you got to the rocket science part, and then you started to exaggerate, e.g., “virulent and hysterical” and invent a completely subjective account. But that’s fine with me. I think it’s admirable that you’d go to such extremes to defend your friend. I apologize if I touched a nerve.

        I’m not annoyed by the application of your “linguistic skills”, in fact I find it amusing that verbosity comes to you so easily. Again, I apologize if my opinion offends you, but your affected and obscure references, that few if any of the readers here will recall or even care about, seem so pretentious to me. It is as if you are writing an editorial for the New York Times Book Review; it’s so unnecessary and out of place here, but you are, as you say, consistent, etc, etc.

        I hope you don’t mind me asking, but you used to teach, correct? You used to enlighten young minds. You used to send young people out into the world to read with passion and write with some eloquence, and now you are reduced to applying your “linguistic skills” to constructing esoteric blog posts with two dollar words. And, I might add, chastising old, half blind archaeologists for occasionally teasing (however harshly) you and your friends. I humbly suggest that your time here might be better spent continuing to teach, tutor or coach some of the more egregious grammatical murderers here.

        Next: As you have pointed out:

        “Craig has made it clear that he neither expects nor wants us to partition our thinking […] Anything goes as long as it’s amusing, entertaining, enlightening or whatever.”
        I will focus my last argument on the enlightening or educational aspect of the policy you claim Mr. Calcaterra supports. If I emphasize enlightening in my comments and Mr. Calcaterra endorses that kind of participation, then why do you and your friend oppose my attempts to instruct?

      • vivabear - Feb 16, 2012 at 12:52 AM

        Well your posts certainly don’t amuse, entertain, or enlighten. Semiliterate? I’m not sure what evidence you could be using to label my literacy as such. Also, the accepted spelling of semiliterate has no hyphen. You may want to have that correct next time you use the word in your writing.

      • protius - Feb 16, 2012 at 1:30 AM

        vivabear, are you addressing your post of Feb 16, at 12:52 AM to me or to Old Gator?

      • protius - Feb 16, 2012 at 10:23 AM

        Vivabear, I wouldn’t wait to long for a response from Old Gator if I were you. You see, when someone points out one of his many errors it gets him a little agitated and he tends to shut down, rather then acknowledge his mistake. This allows him to maintain his good standing among the three or four people who actually read his comments. I’m not anticipating a response either.

      • vivabear - Feb 16, 2012 at 2:07 PM

        Protuis – yeah I was responding to Gator. That makes sense – a few other times he’s abandoned discussions once it’s been pointed out how ridiculous his position is.

      • protius - Feb 16, 2012 at 6:55 PM

        Vivabear, at least the guy knows when he’s beat.

  6. trucker2020 - Feb 15, 2012 at 6:56 AM

    With Ozzie taking his talents to South Beach,that would be interesting enough, but adding Reyes & Ramirez & their huge ego’s into the equasion & this is MLB made for prime time! With both superstars making a measly 11 million $ this year, greed is likely to rear it’s ugly head.Aaron Rowand is almost 36 & is making 13.6 M$ this year.I know these contracts are set up that way(? making 26M for the Angels,hey its early) but I can already see the eyes rolling on the left side of the infield.This team is in a tough division & if they fall too far behind things could get real ugly.For that matter they can win 100 games & things can get ugly.I’m not a Miami fan but I will stay tuned!

    • Old Gator - Feb 15, 2012 at 9:36 AM

      Remember the battlin’ Oakland A’s of the Charlie Mule green-n’-gold days? Or the Borg of the Bronx Zoo? Sometimes, “clubhouse chemistry” is like sodium and water, and yet it works if the talent is there.

      Of course the question is whether the talent is there. Glovewise, that’s not exactly Graig Nettles or Sal Bando at third for the Feesh, for example. And whereas the Feesh have a pretty solid rotation on paper, it’s physically frangible – in the teapot tempest over Carl Barger’s “5,” ridiculous as it was, Josh Johnson’s number is a “?” and you have to worry about Anibal Sachez’ health, Ricky Nolasco’s consistency and the boolpen’s identity. We shall see…in lurid detail, apparently.

  7. tommyrob4780 - Feb 15, 2012 at 9:52 AM

    come over 2 the redsox we need a ss and u will be loved there cause nomore jed or scorto so we need a good sorry great ss

  8. bigleagues - Feb 15, 2012 at 12:41 PM

    For those of you read my assertion yesterday that Garza will be the compensation that the Red Sox receive for Epstein, I have left the door open for one other scenario that has been nagging at me for months to make sense.

    Why did the Red Sox – supposedly a Championship caliber team, trade away both of their Shortstops and not pursue any of the better FA SP’s with any vigor?

    What if Cherington has been waiting for some other shoes to drop . . . since, like, November? And he has a deal or other deals agreed to in principle, but cannot complete them until, say, the Epstein compensation is completed.

    What if, the ‘significant’ compensation the Red Sox have been awaiting is Josh Vitters, not Garza?

    And what if there is a deal in place that sends Beckett back to the Marlins for Hanley, essentially reversing a trade (in which Cherington played a significant role) that most believe would have never happened if Theo didn’t go AWOL in his contract dispute with Luchhino.

    I know enough about Beckett the person to tell you Boston really ain’t his kind of town. And after last season the Red Sox brass have probably finally awoken to this revelation.

    No one knows how Josh Johnson will be after major shoulder surgery and while Anibal Sanchez is coming into his own, I’m not sure he can firmly be leaned on as the staff ace . . . so here is what I think could be a very real scenario that has been months in the making:

    Beckett, $15.75M thru ’14
    Youkilis, $12.00M thru ’12, $13M team option for ’13


    HanRam, $15.33M thru ’14
    AnSan, $8.00M thru ’12

    There may be another player or prospect added into this by one side or the other, but the this deal makes A LOT of sense for both teams.

    The Red Sox would realize a payroll savings of about $6 million for the 2012 season, getting them back under the threshold (putting them back on track to their goal of resetting their luxury tax burden from 40% to 15% for the 2013 season) while providing more than enough wiggle room to go out and snag Oswalt and still have some left over for another acquisition or two.

    Marlins bring home their 2004 World Series hero to open their new ballpark and usher in a new era in south Florida MLB baseball. Beckett should find pitching the NL East a tad easier than the AL East and the Marlins ensure they have a bonified ace-type pitcher at the top of their rotation should Johnson falter. (It also takes some pressure off Johnson in his return). If Johnson comes back his old self, then Miami is suddenly has a rotation that can at least pitch with the Phillies.

    The gig is up on him in Boston. On the wrong side of 30 and having rubbed some more integral pieces of the Red Sox future the wrong way over the last couple of seasons, Youk would give the Marlins their 3B for the next two seasons until superstud Mat Dominquez is ready to take over. With Youk’s engagement to Tom Brady’s sister already at microwave proportions just two weeks after it became public, he will become an increasing distraction that needs to be shut down sooner rather than later.

    HanRam isn’t happy about moving to 3B and why should he be? He was the stud in South Florida and SS has always been his position. There seems to be something going on with HanRam at the Marlins that goes back longer than just his disastrous 2011 season. In any event, the Marlin perhaps looked at 2011 together with his 2010 decline in production and feel they could get better value elsewhere. Perhaps “Hanny Ramirez” is need of a fresh start and perhaps fellow countryman David Ortiz can help ease his transition into the baseball cauldron known as New England.

    The Red Sox would need to get a decent SP back to make this deal work and the only one that makes any sense for them in Sanchez who finally broke through the 200 IP barrier last year at age 27 and began to show the promise everyone expected after his 2006 no-hitter at age 21. He would slot in perfectly behind Lester and Buchholz and suddenly make the Sox rotation look a whole lot younger.

    Now some may be asking about what the Red Sox would do about 3B . . . Will Middlebrooks is ML ready defensively. Josh Vitters played in two consecutive Futures Games before his injury affected 2011 season. He tore up the AFL and has many believing he is ready for the big leagues.

    But acquiring HanRam, the Red Sox potentially upgrade their offense (and certainly you have to expect that Ramirez will bounce back to give at least Youk level production) while upgrading their defense at 3B by doubling down on two well-regarded 3B prospects.

    The more I think about this, the more I think I’m wrong about Garza and prescient on this other shoe that is about to drop . . .

    • Old Gator - Feb 15, 2012 at 1:07 PM

      I would be supportive overall of this idea except that (a) Youkilis is too ugly; this is a town for pretty people, and (b) I don’t think there’s any point in shipping out Anibal for Beckett, even though I can’t understand what the Feesh’s problem with him is, and I doubt if he can. Probably he wouldn’t take the Chihuahua’s bullshit at some as yet undisclosed juncture.

      • bigleagues - Feb 15, 2012 at 3:16 PM

        LOL! But those are good points! I wish I could say Julie Brady would enhance his profile, and while cute, she isn’t what one thinks of when one thinks of South Floridian women! Now Youk’s ex-wife – she would have gotten the job done. I’m convinced she woke up one day and decided to upgrade.

      • Old Gator - Feb 15, 2012 at 5:39 PM

        Heh, yeah. Another thing: The Hanster is not a “great shortstop” by any stretch of the imagination. He had become passable by year before last, and prior to that I used to call him “Los Manos de Piedra.” Can he hit? Well, he used to. He’s been in decline for two straight years now – ever since Scrooge McLoria gave him that accursed “.342” amulet. Second ugliest thing in this conversation. Would a change of scene do him some good? Might could do. Is a place where the fans are as passionate about their team playing well as Boston the right place for a guy with Type IV hypersensitivity of the ego? The Hanster we all know and love has been playing before mostly empty seats and even the pressure of that extenuated gaze has been a little too much for him. Think that over. Do you really want a sulky prima donna out there for you?

      • bigleagues - Feb 16, 2012 at 12:23 PM

        Old Gator . . . (shhhhhhh about the defense thing, these are sensitive negotiations and truth be told he’s not so bad that we can’t absorb a few more errors that we’re accustomed to, especially if . . . ) Hanley’s bat comes around – which can only be helped by having a 38′ wall stretching from LF to Left CF and the likes of Big Papi & Boby V to deflect and mentor.

        He’s still only 26, so it’s not like the decline is age related . . . it’s far more likely mental. All I know is if he wasn’t happy before Reyes took his spot . . . it’s doubtful that it will change any time soon.

        BTW, as you well know, the Sox have a special affinity for prima donas – unless of course, they have borderline personality disorder – like a certain soon to be Athletics player.

      • bigleagues - Feb 16, 2012 at 12:24 PM

        Man i got to check my work better . . . meant to say Hanley is 28.

    • 24missed - Feb 15, 2012 at 3:03 PM

      You know your RS! This has potential.

      Beckett pitching elsewhere during an even year? Perfect. We know he does much better pitching during those odd years. And boy, was last year an odd year.

      Youk is a man who walks the walk and talks the talk. He may be declining physically, but, it would pain me to see him in another uni. I don’t get the hate.

      After Scutaro was sadly traded, my first thought was Hanley. I like your thinking.

      Anibal is young and could inject some new life into the lineup. Of course, we could use a starting pitcher or two.

      Hallucinations are happening here. Wishful thinking. Gazing sadly at pics posted on, Beckett is already there. Pardon me, I’m choking up a bit.

    • bigleagues - Feb 15, 2012 at 3:38 PM

      Correction . . . Josh Beckett was the Marlins hero of the 2003 World Series – not 2004. Some other team I can’t seem to remember won in 2004 . . .

    • justthepeanutgallery - Feb 16, 2012 at 11:20 AM

      Now there’s some good work, and man (or woman lol) after my own heart.

      I have had this man crush on HanRam for it seems like forever. I remember reading about him when he was a minor leaguer in the Boston system, and while the numbers didn’t purport what he would do in the major leagues, it was believed that he would be very god at the minimum, and the larger the crowds the better he got…. Perfect for Boston. Alas, we got Josh Beckett in return.

      Now I’m no Beckett hater. Truth be told I’m not a fan either. Back in 2006 when he came over I argued with a friend of mine that he wasn’t an ace. It was said back to me that his blisters held him back in Florida and he would shine. I went so far as to say Buchholz has the potential to be better pitcher as well. I was rebuffed again with the belief that Buc is a headcase. I had barely an argument to defend him there but I did believe in his repertoire. He has the arm to be the best pitcher on that staff today – but does he have the guts, is still the question.

      Anyway, here’s the link to Beckett’s numbers. I do believe past performance is indicative of future results but not to the degree that it is in stone. That being said, JB hasn’t put together 2 good years in a row in his career while in the AL East.

      As for Youk and Sanchez, well I used to love Youk. Saw how much he hated to lose. He yelled and threw his bats and helmets, cursed, punched his glove in anger, his words to Manny. Loved to see that emotion from him. Made me wish the Duke had a better job than singing on Broadway for drafting him. But then I heard a story from a buddy who knew him personally in the lower levels and found out that he basically is a huge AH and has been his whole life. I see him differently now and know his time has come to go after last years (I have no problem w beer or food in the clubhouse btw) fiasco/media frenzy. Sanchez I followed mostly through fantasy baseball and don’t know much about him other than his promise. I do wish he threw a little harder.

      I know the shoe is ready to drop on the Theo compensation as the Sox media has been hinting that its coming soon. ST starts in a few days and that means its someone that the Sox need to fill a hole. I hope its not Vitters as I have read that his promise has already gone, and the way that Cherington approached the winter it seems that the he is leaving question marks in the SP and SS categories, 2 areas that the Cubs could help immensely.

      I also would not be surprised to see the Sox send back a 2nd tier prospect or 2 for a Garza or Castro, but it does feel like this is a done deal already and either Selig is listening to more arguments or has turned to some personal counsel to validate his beliefs here.

      • bigleagues - Feb 16, 2012 at 12:44 PM

        I can confirm the Youk was known as an a-hole at the lower levels, but it never really mattered to me. What matters to me is that Ellsbury can’t stand him – and for really good reason. Youk let that a-holish side and frustration in his own season get the better of him to 2010 and he caused disruption and disharmony where none needed to be.

        But, to be honest, it may end up being one of Youk’s greatest contributions to this team . . . pissing off and then undoubtedly helping to motivate Ellsbury work his tale off and put up a season that Youk could only dream of doing himself.

        As you said . . . I have loved Youk’s passion to win – but that goatee pissed me off a long time ago and I’m glad he saw fit to do away with it. Now his wife to be isn’t nearly as hot as Enza was – and he’s morphing into Mike Lowell – and that’s not a bad thing for the Marlins to have right now as they await Dominguez’ ascent.

        I know what you are saying about Vitters and Keith Law has dropped him out of the Cubs Top 10 altogether, but I did a little homework on Vitters and how Epstein and Hoyer might view him and I’m confident that he is one guy they are not eager to part with . . . at least not yet. One of the knocks on Vitters has been his selectivity . . . and even though his 2010 season was nothing stellar it was a step forward for him and his K rate got better. He’s still just 22.

        I wouldn’t rule the compensation turning into more of a trade, that’s a thought I had had, but I’m not 100% certain if that’s even possible. If it were then suddenly a Castro for Epstein and Xavier Bogaerts is fairly reasonable and certainly a ‘significant’ level of compensation (going in both directions).

        Barring injury there is no reason to believe that Bogaerts won’t ascend to Red Sox top prospect status this year, while finding himself among the Top 10-15 in MLB. He is that well regarded a talent.

      • justthepeanutgallery - Feb 16, 2012 at 1:14 PM

        Good grief they better not deal Bogaerts haha. I don’t see why they couldn’t do some deal like that where its player for player and the Sox agree to release Theo from his current contract. I’m not sure if there’s any language that would supersede a deal as such so in theory I believe it would be ok. It all comes back to what Ricketts and LL discussed.

        As for Ells, I think this is his last year in a Sox uni. He will have 1 more year left before FA and if he hits like he did last year, Boras will be sending the Pujols deal to prospective teams. You’re talking 8/200 or 25M per. If he regresses to what would be his current level of ascension prior to his injury season 2 years ago, you’re still talking 16-20M per. I don’t see the Sox paying that honestly no matter how good he is. That Crawford contract would make them gun-shy. They could really get a huge haul by dealing him.

        Now, if the Mets could just get a new owner and some young talent before Christmas……

  9. bigleagues - Feb 16, 2012 at 12:50 PM

    Again a correction from me: XANDER not XAVIER

    Anyone got some Adderral?

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