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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2012 02:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Will Carroll says a lot of things.  

I would like to believe Braun is innocent, and I hope Carroll isn&#039;t just blowing smoke again, but I&#039;ll believe it when I hear more about this than Carroll&#039;s vague claims about how he&#039;s interpreted what someone else supposedly said.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will Carroll says a lot of things.  </p>
<p>I would like to believe Braun is innocent, and I hope Carroll isn&#8217;t just blowing smoke again, but I&#8217;ll believe it when I hear more about this than Carroll&#8217;s vague claims about how he&#8217;s interpreted what someone else supposedly said.</p>
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		<title>By: cubear34</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2012 22:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Uneducated morton alert. to protect the guilty I won&#039;t mention who insinuated that braun must be innocent because he offered to give a urine sample for dna comparison. That would be great if this guy knew wtf he was talking about. Unreliable dna in urine. Use your smart phone to look it up and maybe get a little smarter in the process.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uneducated morton alert. to protect the guilty I won&#8217;t mention who insinuated that braun must be innocent because he offered to give a urine sample for dna comparison. That would be great if this guy knew wtf he was talking about. Unreliable dna in urine. Use your smart phone to look it up and maybe get a little smarter in the process.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin S.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin S.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2012 13:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1) FedEx ships clinical samples all the time - they know how to control the environment it&#039;s stored and transported in.

2) I dunno, jbwiii explains it pretty well at 9:33 PM (EST) last night further up-thread

Also, I&#039;m pretty sure Matt Lawton just copped to using when he was busted in 2005.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) FedEx ships clinical samples all the time &#8211; they know how to control the environment it&#8217;s stored and transported in.</p>
<p>2) I dunno, jbwiii explains it pretty well at 9:33 PM (EST) last night further up-thread</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;m pretty sure Matt Lawton just copped to using when he was busted in 2005.</p>
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		<title>By: jwbiii</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jwbiii]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2012 02:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And a few more for you

&lt;blockquote&gt;XI. PROCEDURES AFTER COLLECTION
E. If the specimen is not immediately prepared for shipment, the Collector shall ensure that it is appropriately safeguarded during temporary storage.
2. The Collector must store the samples in a cool and secure location.

XII. IMPORTANT ITEMS TO REMEMBER
B. The Collector should not leave specimens in a car. This will affect the laboratory’s ability to analyze the specimen.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
 
Like, don&#039;t leave it at room temperature for a couple of days because it could turn into a bacteria culture medium.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And a few more for you</p>
<blockquote><p>XI. PROCEDURES AFTER COLLECTION<br />
E. If the specimen is not immediately prepared for shipment, the Collector shall ensure that it is appropriately safeguarded during temporary storage.<br />
2. The Collector must store the samples in a cool and secure location.</p>
<p>XII. IMPORTANT ITEMS TO REMEMBER<br />
B. The Collector should not leave specimens in a car. This will affect the laboratory’s ability to analyze the specimen.</p></blockquote>
<p>Like, don&#8217;t leave it at room temperature for a couple of days because it could turn into a bacteria culture medium.</p>
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		<title>By: jwbiii</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jwbiii]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2012 02:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[davidpom50, At this point, we&#039;re down to discussing life habits, life spans, and decomposition products of species of bacteria. That ice is a little too thin for me to walk on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>davidpom50, At this point, we&#8217;re down to discussing life habits, life spans, and decomposition products of species of bacteria. That ice is a little too thin for me to walk on.</p>
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		<title>By: jwbiii</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jwbiii]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2012 02:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[shzastl, Of course it does. Test 2 was a Carbon Isotope Test, which compares the ratio of carbon 12 to carbon 13 in the testosterone to the ratio of C12 to C13 in another naturally occurring compound in the urine sample, such as cholesterol. Under normal circumstances, the ratios should be identical or very close to it. If they are not the close, the testosterone is said to be synthetic, not produced by the subject&#039;s body. They don&#039;t tell you if the testosterone was produced by bacteria which were quietly living their lives in the subject&#039;s urethra before being sprayed into a sample cup or if it was something that was bought at Victor Conte&#039;s Candy Store.
 
The first test, the gas chromatograph/mass spectrometer would tell you the exact same thing. I guess a second test using a different methodology is a good thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>shzastl, Of course it does. Test 2 was a Carbon Isotope Test, which compares the ratio of carbon 12 to carbon 13 in the testosterone to the ratio of C12 to C13 in another naturally occurring compound in the urine sample, such as cholesterol. Under normal circumstances, the ratios should be identical or very close to it. If they are not the close, the testosterone is said to be synthetic, not produced by the subject&#8217;s body. They don&#8217;t tell you if the testosterone was produced by bacteria which were quietly living their lives in the subject&#8217;s urethra before being sprayed into a sample cup or if it was something that was bought at Victor Conte&#8217;s Candy Store.</p>
<p>The first test, the gas chromatograph/mass spectrometer would tell you the exact same thing. I guess a second test using a different methodology is a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: edavidberg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[edavidberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2012 01:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You guys are ridiculous.  There is no evidence it was tampered with.  I have news for you, the testing procedures for criminal cases are more lax than this.  They ship those samples via Fed Ex/UPS/etc. as well and there&#039;s no requirement they ship them immediately.  

Braun got off on a technicality.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys are ridiculous.  There is no evidence it was tampered with.  I have news for you, the testing procedures for criminal cases are more lax than this.  They ship those samples via Fed Ex/UPS/etc. as well and there&#8217;s no requirement they ship them immediately.  </p>
<p>Braun got off on a technicality.</p>
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		<title>By: cur68</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cur68]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2012 18:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Try the &quot;Handbook of Drug Interactions: A Clinical and Forensic Guide&quot;   Eds. Mozayani &amp; Raymon, 2011. In particular the section on testing urine for doping agents and the metabolites thereof. See pg 735.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try the &#8220;Handbook of Drug Interactions: A Clinical and Forensic Guide&#8221;   Eds. Mozayani &amp; Raymon, 2011. In particular the section on testing urine for doping agents and the metabolites thereof. See pg 735.</p>
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		<title>By: wlschneider09</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wlschneider09]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2012 18:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cur, are there any peer reviewed publications that you know of to back up the bacterial growth/testosterone increase argument? I couldn&#039;t find any.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cur, are there any peer reviewed publications that you know of to back up the bacterial growth/testosterone increase argument? I couldn&#8217;t find any.</p>
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		<title>By: AJ</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2012 16:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re a great writer Craig, this is one of my first and most frequent stops every day.  Having said that, I&#039;m puzzled by your angle on this story.  By all accounts the procedure that was followed was far from extraordinary by sample collection standards.  Furthermore, anyone supports Braun&#039;s contention that his appeal verdict proves him innocent is turning a blind eye to the truth in the midst of a search for doubt.  

Life is boring, ordinary, and routine.  When all signs point to a specific result being true it is.  Braun is stone cold guilty and got off on a poor decision even more so than a technicality.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re a great writer Craig, this is one of my first and most frequent stops every day.  Having said that, I&#8217;m puzzled by your angle on this story.  By all accounts the procedure that was followed was far from extraordinary by sample collection standards.  Furthermore, anyone supports Braun&#8217;s contention that his appeal verdict proves him innocent is turning a blind eye to the truth in the midst of a search for doubt.  </p>
<p>Life is boring, ordinary, and routine.  When all signs point to a specific result being true it is.  Braun is stone cold guilty and got off on a poor decision even more so than a technicality.</p>
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		<title>By: shzastl</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[shzastl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2012 16:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The phrase that there was a &quot;break in the chain of custody&quot; here is a misnomer. There is no dispute that the collector maintained possession of the sample. The issue is that he took it to his home instead of immediately delivering to FedEx. So it is not &quot;chain of custody&quot; it is an (arguable) deviation from the delivery procedure. But there are still two problems with the argument that the violation tained the test:

1) Even if the collector had immediately driven to one of the FedEx locations, how would storage of the sample in a FedEx store until Monday (it would not have been shipped before Monday in either scenario) have prevented the sample from allegedly spiking in testosterone? I don&#039;t understand Braun to be claiming, for example, that FedEx would have stored it at the correct temperature, whereas the collector may have exposed it to heat. So the &quot;protocol violation&quot; is really not relevant to the result (i.e. a technicality). What they are really attacking is the reliability of ANY samples that are taken on a Saturday and can&#039;t be delivered to the lab until a Tuesday -- whether the collector delivers it immediately to FedEx or not. 

2) Assuming the defense team was able to reproduce the elevated testosterone levels in a sample that sat for 2-3 days, that still does not explain Test 2 (IMRS), which shows that  the testosterone was SYNTHETIC. There is no explanation for that type of magical transformation.

Why take the collector&#039;s word for it over Braun? For one, it&#039;s not a &quot;he said, he said&quot; issue because we have the triple-sealed vial accompanied by Braun&#039;s signature. But even if it was, Braun&#039;s motive to lie is obvious -- he wants to avoid missing 50 games and losing $2 million in salary. Show me one guilty person who just admits they did it ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The phrase that there was a &#8220;break in the chain of custody&#8221; here is a misnomer. There is no dispute that the collector maintained possession of the sample. The issue is that he took it to his home instead of immediately delivering to FedEx. So it is not &#8220;chain of custody&#8221; it is an (arguable) deviation from the delivery procedure. But there are still two problems with the argument that the violation tained the test:</p>
<p>1) Even if the collector had immediately driven to one of the FedEx locations, how would storage of the sample in a FedEx store until Monday (it would not have been shipped before Monday in either scenario) have prevented the sample from allegedly spiking in testosterone? I don&#8217;t understand Braun to be claiming, for example, that FedEx would have stored it at the correct temperature, whereas the collector may have exposed it to heat. So the &#8220;protocol violation&#8221; is really not relevant to the result (i.e. a technicality). What they are really attacking is the reliability of ANY samples that are taken on a Saturday and can&#8217;t be delivered to the lab until a Tuesday &#8212; whether the collector delivers it immediately to FedEx or not. </p>
<p>2) Assuming the defense team was able to reproduce the elevated testosterone levels in a sample that sat for 2-3 days, that still does not explain Test 2 (IMRS), which shows that  the testosterone was SYNTHETIC. There is no explanation for that type of magical transformation.</p>
<p>Why take the collector&#8217;s word for it over Braun? For one, it&#8217;s not a &#8220;he said, he said&#8221; issue because we have the triple-sealed vial accompanied by Braun&#8217;s signature. But even if it was, Braun&#8217;s motive to lie is obvious &#8212; he wants to avoid missing 50 games and losing $2 million in salary. Show me one guilty person who just admits they did it &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2012 16:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You can&#039;t argue with someone who uses WADA as an appeal to authority.  They are about as impartial on the issue of drug testing as one can be.  Put it another way, it&#039;s like the Religious Right using the Catholic Church as their appeal on how the country should be governed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t argue with someone who uses WADA as an appeal to authority.  They are about as impartial on the issue of drug testing as one can be.  Put it another way, it&#8217;s like the Religious Right using the Catholic Church as their appeal on how the country should be governed.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin S.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin S.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2012 14:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That is not a sensible rule.  The whole reason chain of custody is so important is because without it, there is no way of proving what was done to the sample.  We have the collector&#039;s word that the sample sat... well, I&#039;m still not sure if it was in his fridge, in his basement or on his desk.  Why should we take his word over Ryan Braun&#039;s, who claims he never took artificial testosterone?  Once he took ownership of the specimen, it was his responsibility until he delivered it to FedEx, and Ryan Braun cannot and should not be held responsible for what happened to that sample if it cannot be independently verified.  The defense team shouldn&#039;t be required to demonstrate what *did* happen to the sample, only what *could have* happened to it, and they did so.  Given that, the onus is on the collector to prove that those events did not occur, and his word is not enough for that.  That&#039;s why the delivery protocol exists - to leave no question as to the integrity of the sample.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is not a sensible rule.  The whole reason chain of custody is so important is because without it, there is no way of proving what was done to the sample.  We have the collector&#8217;s word that the sample sat&#8230; well, I&#8217;m still not sure if it was in his fridge, in his basement or on his desk.  Why should we take his word over Ryan Braun&#8217;s, who claims he never took artificial testosterone?  Once he took ownership of the specimen, it was his responsibility until he delivered it to FedEx, and Ryan Braun cannot and should not be held responsible for what happened to that sample if it cannot be independently verified.  The defense team shouldn&#8217;t be required to demonstrate what *did* happen to the sample, only what *could have* happened to it, and they did so.  Given that, the onus is on the collector to prove that those events did not occur, and his word is not enough for that.  That&#8217;s why the delivery protocol exists &#8211; to leave no question as to the integrity of the sample.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin S.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin S.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2012 14:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And if he didn&#039;t take PEDs in the first place, what&#039;s that time machine going to do?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And if he didn&#8217;t take PEDs in the first place, what&#8217;s that time machine going to do?</p>
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		<title>By: shaggytoodle</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[shaggytoodle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2012 07:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How can you say it didn&#039;t have an effect on the test how do you know? Apparently thier was enough breach in protocal to make a panel vote 2-1. Will Carroll says that Brauns legal team was able to HOW the test turned out the way it did.

What if someone with asthma problems uses Advair, and winds up taking a test, the test sits for a few days and gets tested, they test it and a rainbow shows up because the testosterone levels are throught he rough.

There is still a lot of the story to be told. While I personally believe its an EXTREMELY rare happening, because sometimes miracles do happen unfortunetly so do catastrophes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can you say it didn&#8217;t have an effect on the test how do you know? Apparently thier was enough breach in protocal to make a panel vote 2-1. Will Carroll says that Brauns legal team was able to HOW the test turned out the way it did.</p>
<p>What if someone with asthma problems uses Advair, and winds up taking a test, the test sits for a few days and gets tested, they test it and a rainbow shows up because the testosterone levels are throught he rough.</p>
<p>There is still a lot of the story to be told. While I personally believe its an EXTREMELY rare happening, because sometimes miracles do happen unfortunetly so do catastrophes.</p>
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		<title>By: shzastl</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[shzastl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2012 06:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Assuming the team replicated the heightened levels, that still does not explain Test 2 -- that the testosterone was synthetic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assuming the team replicated the heightened levels, that still does not explain Test 2 &#8212; that the testosterone was synthetic.</p>
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		<title>By: shzastl</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[shzastl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2012 06:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It will also magically become SYNTHETIC testosterone, the best kind.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It will also magically become SYNTHETIC testosterone, the best kind.</p>
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		<title>By: shzastl</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[shzastl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2012 06:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Craig, you pick and choose the quotes that suit you but ignore inconvenient facts that destroy your argument: 

&quot;In sports governed by the World Anti-Doping Code — the Olympic Games, for instance — the athlete would have to prove not only a breach of protocol, but that the breach caused the positive result, Howman said. &#039;This is not the situation in this case.&#039;”

This is a sensible rule; it is illogical to throw out an otherwise unassailable test result based on a technical/procedural error that has no bearing on the validity of the test. There is no serious argument that the purported breach in protocol caused the positive result here. What rational basis is there for treating any mistake, no matter how harmless or attenuated to the result of the test, as an automatic win for the player?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig, you pick and choose the quotes that suit you but ignore inconvenient facts that destroy your argument: </p>
<p>&#8220;In sports governed by the World Anti-Doping Code — the Olympic Games, for instance — the athlete would have to prove not only a breach of protocol, but that the breach caused the positive result, Howman said. &#8216;This is not the situation in this case.&#8217;”</p>
<p>This is a sensible rule; it is illogical to throw out an otherwise unassailable test result based on a technical/procedural error that has no bearing on the validity of the test. There is no serious argument that the purported breach in protocol caused the positive result here. What rational basis is there for treating any mistake, no matter how harmless or attenuated to the result of the test, as an automatic win for the player?</p>
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		<title>By: lostsok</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lostsok]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2012 05:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is all moot.  Here is the relevent--and utterly unavoidable FACTS:

1.  Braun is off the hook.  Like it or not.

2.  Braun is going to spend 81 of his 162 games hearing thousands of people chanting &quot;STERRRRROOOOOIIIIDS!&quot;   LIKE IT OR NOT.

He can claim he was framed, that it was a bad test, whatever.  But those 81 games are gonna happen no matter what, and only jumping into a time machine and NOT taking PEDs is gonna change it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is all moot.  Here is the relevent&#8211;and utterly unavoidable FACTS:</p>
<p>1.  Braun is off the hook.  Like it or not.</p>
<p>2.  Braun is going to spend 81 of his 162 games hearing thousands of people chanting &#8220;STERRRRROOOOOIIIIDS!&#8221;   LIKE IT OR NOT.</p>
<p>He can claim he was framed, that it was a bad test, whatever.  But those 81 games are gonna happen no matter what, and only jumping into a time machine and NOT taking PEDs is gonna change it.</p>
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		<title>By: cur68</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cur68]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2012 05:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Google it. Use the terms:  importance cooling urine samples doping analysis.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google it. Use the terms:  importance cooling urine samples doping analysis.</p>
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		<title>By: micker716</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[micker716]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2012 04:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If the testosterone ferments you must assent!  Credible argument?  Whatever.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the testosterone ferments you must assent!  Credible argument?  Whatever.</p>
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		<title>By: cur68</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/24/drug-testing-procedures-expert-dismisses-the-importance-of-drug-testing-procedures/comment-page-1/#comment-264704</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cur68]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2012 04:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yep. There seems to be a credible argument that this could play a big role in the whole thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep. There seems to be a credible argument that this could play a big role in the whole thing.</p>
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		<title>By: micker716</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/24/drug-testing-procedures-expert-dismisses-the-importance-of-drug-testing-procedures/comment-page-1/#comment-264699</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[micker716]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2012 04:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Well, it wasn’t in a fridge. It was on some dude’s desk in a Tupperware container, but thanks for playing&quot;
So, now the storage temperature and container are responsible for the elevated synthetic testosterone levels?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Well, it wasn’t in a fridge. It was on some dude’s desk in a Tupperware container, but thanks for playing&#8221;<br />
So, now the storage temperature and container are responsible for the elevated synthetic testosterone levels?</p>
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		<title>By: shaggytoodle</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[shaggytoodle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2012 03:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I dont know if this means much to anyone or not. There was a gal named Diane Modahl, I copied and pasted this off her bio.

Her career nearly ended in 1994 when she was accused of taking the performance-enhancing drug, testosterone. She was sent home from the Commonwealth Games in Canada.

Modahl engaged lawyers to show that the laboratory in Lisbon had stored her urine sample on a table in a room heated at 35 degrees for three days, which caused bacterial degradation. She has always professed her innocence and was later cleared. She said: &quot;I have declared my innocence, I have never taken any banned substance&quot;.

__________

It may not have been tampered with, but mistakes happen. 

With all the tests they do and the mishandling of his specimen for the kicker it was one of the perfect storms.  

 I will compare aplles to oranges Birth control works 99 percent of the time, but it only needs to fail once.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont know if this means much to anyone or not. There was a gal named Diane Modahl, I copied and pasted this off her bio.</p>
<p>Her career nearly ended in 1994 when she was accused of taking the performance-enhancing drug, testosterone. She was sent home from the Commonwealth Games in Canada.</p>
<p>Modahl engaged lawyers to show that the laboratory in Lisbon had stored her urine sample on a table in a room heated at 35 degrees for three days, which caused bacterial degradation. She has always professed her innocence and was later cleared. She said: &#8220;I have declared my innocence, I have never taken any banned substance&#8221;.</p>
<p>__________</p>
<p>It may not have been tampered with, but mistakes happen. </p>
<p>With all the tests they do and the mishandling of his specimen for the kicker it was one of the perfect storms.  </p>
<p> I will compare aplles to oranges Birth control works 99 percent of the time, but it only needs to fail once.</p>
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		<title>By: phillyphreak</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[phillyphreak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2012 03:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Haha. More or less.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha. More or less.</p>
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		<title>By: jason1214</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jason1214]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2012 02:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I get that, I&#039;m just wondering why many believe its possible the sample was tainted by the collector, despite the fact MLB &amp; the testing facility indicate the sample arrived un-tampered, yet his testosterone was 20 times the normal level.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get that, I&#8217;m just wondering why many believe its possible the sample was tainted by the collector, despite the fact MLB &amp; the testing facility indicate the sample arrived un-tampered, yet his testosterone was 20 times the normal level.</p>
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		<title>By: jimbo1949</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/24/drug-testing-procedures-expert-dismisses-the-importance-of-drug-testing-procedures/comment-page-1/#comment-264658</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jimbo1949]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2012 01:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, they have to reverse first and last names.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, they have to reverse first and last names.</p>
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		<title>By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2012 01:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Dudes guilty sorry but no bones about it (except for the procedural bones!)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So except for the whole part where the test results are thrown out so the results are invalid, yup you&#039;re right.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Dudes guilty sorry but no bones about it (except for the procedural bones!)</p></blockquote>
<p>So except for the whole part where the test results are thrown out so the results are invalid, yup you&#8217;re right.</p>
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		<title>By: dondada10</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dondada10]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2012 01:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i.e. Ryan Howard posts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i.e. Ryan Howard posts.</p>
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		<title>By: bigjimatch</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bigjimatch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2012 01:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The fact that a jury acquitted OJ doesn&#039;t mean he didn&#039;t Nicole Brown and the other guy. The fact that Braun won his appeal becuase a Fedex wasn&#039;t open doesn&#039;t mean he didn&#039;t test positive.

You want to wipe the slate clean on Braun, that fine. But don&#039;t act like it is unreasonable to think his positive test, coupled with the fact the he did not dispute the test itself or allege tampering, means he did steroids.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that a jury acquitted OJ doesn&#8217;t mean he didn&#8217;t Nicole Brown and the other guy. The fact that Braun won his appeal becuase a Fedex wasn&#8217;t open doesn&#8217;t mean he didn&#8217;t test positive.</p>
<p>You want to wipe the slate clean on Braun, that fine. But don&#8217;t act like it is unreasonable to think his positive test, coupled with the fact the he did not dispute the test itself or allege tampering, means he did steroids.</p>
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