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Many Mets players think that Ryan Braun’s appeal was a joke

Feb 24, 2012, 3:13 PM EDT

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Andy Martino of the Daily News is in Mets camp, and overheard a bunch of Mets players talking about the Ryan Braun news today.  The peanut gallery is not impressed:

“Ryan Braun is out there saying this shows he is innocent,” one Met said. “Does that mean O.J. Simpson is innocent, too?” … “Oh, wow,” a Mets player said on Friday, after hearing of Braun’s chain-of-custody explanation. “That was his defense? Now every positive test is going to be challenged. That could be a mess.”

Added a third player: “What a joke.”

Another Met said: “Seems like he’s guilty.”

I’m guessing a memo is gonna be released by the MLBPA telling its membership to hold the union line on this sort of thing, but really, people are gonna be people.

I think the anonyMets should step up their game, however.  They’re not coming anywhere close to the Braun invective we’ve seen in the HBT comments these past two days.  You guys really know how to bring it.  I mean, a few more pointed comments and, yes, I will finally admit that I’m on Braun’s payroll, as so many of you have actually claimed!

  1. drunkenhooliganism - Feb 24, 2012 at 3:19 PM

    I wonder what major leaguers think

    • eshine76 - Feb 24, 2012 at 3:23 PM

      Wow. As a Mets fan, that pains me but its true. Well done. +1

      • cur68 - Feb 24, 2012 at 3:43 PM

        I think he also came up with the term “MVPee”, too. For a drunk hooligan, not bad going at all.

      • dondada10 - Feb 24, 2012 at 5:24 PM

        Yeah, homerun dude. I called a fellow die-hard Mets fan, explained to him the context, and told him your joke (with due credit)

      • drunkenhooliganism - Feb 24, 2012 at 6:07 PM

        Thanks guys.

        Cur- I gave up drunken hooliganing for lent.

    • El Bravo - Feb 24, 2012 at 4:03 PM

      internet won.

  2. sfm073 - Feb 24, 2012 at 3:20 PM

    You’re being dumb and naive about this. If the proper protocol wasn’t followed then he should have gotten off for it. But to say its ridiculous for someone to still think he juices is stupid.

    • saints97 - Feb 24, 2012 at 3:23 PM

      Agreed. Craig still thinks that we are ignorant boobs if we don’t agree with him. That list seems to be growing.

      • chiadam - Feb 24, 2012 at 3:26 PM

        Boobs = good.

      • cur68 - Feb 24, 2012 at 3:38 PM

        its “boobz”.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Feb 24, 2012 at 4:19 PM

        Boobs = good.

        sorry, had to:

      • jimbo1949 - Feb 24, 2012 at 5:19 PM

        Aw c’mon, that’s his daughter, man!

  3. churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Feb 24, 2012 at 3:21 PM

    that’s cool, many fans thinks the Mets are a joke…

  4. bbk1000 - Feb 24, 2012 at 3:27 PM

    “drunkenhooliganism “….this explains you comment….

  5. madhatternalice - Feb 24, 2012 at 3:30 PM

    Justin Turner was quoted as saying, “What a worthless defense. Trust me, I know!”

  6. churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Feb 24, 2012 at 3:30 PM

    That’s okay, most of MLB and the fans think the Mets are a joke. So guess we’re all even…

    [random note, anyone else having issues with posts not appearing? tubes blocked?]

  7. El Bravo - Feb 24, 2012 at 3:31 PM

    Ryan Braun gave me herpes.

    • cur68 - Feb 24, 2012 at 3:40 PM

      No, no. You gave you herpes. Braun was merely handling the evidence of the herpes. But he did give Scott Baio pinkeye.

      • stlouis1baseball - Feb 24, 2012 at 4:03 PM

        Scott Baio? Scott Freaking Baio? Where do you come up with this shit Cur.
        Hahaha!

      • cur68 - Feb 24, 2012 at 4:18 PM

        Ahh, my vintage South Park outtake amuses you, does it? Good, good. My conquest of the planet awaits only RA Dickey’s nod, then I shall unleash a barrage of popular culture memes that will bring western civilization (and Quebec) to its knees….mu-hahahahahaaaaaaaa….

      • jwbiii - Feb 24, 2012 at 5:30 PM

        And Quebec? Quick, someone alert Caroline Dhavernas!

    • El Bravo - Feb 24, 2012 at 4:55 PM

      Really? No one gives love for a herpes comment? This message board is so unreasonable since about yesterday afternoon when Braunsanity started.

      Stop splitting hairs, Cur! If Braun and I didn’t have relations, my genitals would not be an issue here! Herpes is for life you know! WAAAAAHHHHH

  8. fahionableamish - Feb 24, 2012 at 3:32 PM

    You can be bought, Craig? Why didn’t we know this earlier?

    How much would it cost for you to write about the virtues of a fat, 37 year old with a mediocre little-league resume? I understand the Cardinals are looking for a second baseman.

    • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Feb 24, 2012 at 3:45 PM

      But Utley already has a contract this season…

  9. jpirish - Feb 24, 2012 at 3:33 PM

    the one good development out of this saga will be that players testing procedure will be changed to take out any questions. If other maljor leaguers think he cheated than he has a bigger problem on his hands. Oh and about him doing this for all the other ball players who were “wrongly” accused. Right. Drop the Martyrdom angle braun, And in other news I’m not the center of the universe…Just a guy with an opinion..and Not A Lemming

  10. kopy - Feb 24, 2012 at 3:34 PM

    “Now every positive test is going to be challenged. That could be a mess.”

    Has there been a positive test that hasn’t been challenged? How astute to play the O.J. card. The Mets players know just as much about this as we do, if not less because they’ve been busy with Spring Training. It seems a little strange for them to feel so strongly about this.

    • sportsdrenched.com - Feb 24, 2012 at 3:39 PM

      could be?

  11. 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Feb 24, 2012 at 3:34 PM

    In a related story, Ryan Braun thinks many Mets players are a joke.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Feb 24, 2012 at 4:20 PM

      Damnit I was going to post that it’s okay because most fans and MLB think the Mets are a joke, but too late.

      Always the bridesmaid, never the bride…

  12. mercyflush - Feb 24, 2012 at 3:39 PM

    To be fair, the Mets are more qualified than most teams to speak about MLB jokes.

  13. Bobby Montano - Feb 24, 2012 at 3:40 PM

    I’m stunned that players aren’t more excited about this. It seems to me that players almost wanted Braun to get caught or wanted him to be guilty. Why wouldn’t players be happy that their MVP has been proven clean? One would guess that the MLBPA and MLB would want to move on from this whole steroid debacle.

    Baseball had just begun regaining its integrity in the eyes of many, and now so many seems infuriated that Braun was proven innocent in the eyes of an abritrator. Why isn’t this being celebrated, not vilified?

    • goforthanddie - Feb 24, 2012 at 3:44 PM

      He wasn’t proven innocent. The test results mean nothing in this instance.

      • Bobby Montano - Feb 24, 2012 at 3:47 PM

        Right, but if the news wasn’t leaked, nobody would have known about this in the first place. He has passed every other test that he taken.

      • koufaxmitzvah - Feb 24, 2012 at 7:48 PM

        Since no one here has seen him pee, and followed that cup around, into the Chicago Cubs fans’ refrigerator, and sat there for 2 days, and then saw the sample that showed that nearly deadly level of testosterone, I would say you haven’t proven him guilty.

        Really, that’s kind of how it goes. He doesn’t have to do shit. If you’ve got a smoking gun, then shoot it.

    • saints97 - Feb 24, 2012 at 3:56 PM

      Believe it or not, most players would prefer to compete on a level playing field, despite the best efforts of their union.

      • Bobby Montano - Feb 24, 2012 at 4:37 PM

        Wouldn’t news of a star player not conclusively taking steroids be considered good news, then? Listen, if the sample was not properly handled prior to the test, there is no way of knowing what happened. All we do know is that Braun has never failed a test before and that the test that he did fail was void because of a legitimate reason.

      • saints97 - Feb 24, 2012 at 4:57 PM

        Right or wrong, it seems that players view this is a guy who got away with cheating because of a procedural issue (that may or may not have actually been against the standard operating procedure).

        There is no scientific evidence out there that testosterone will increase in a sealed sample, no matter the conditions. In fact, I have seen chemists say that, if anything, the delay would have caused the testosterone levels to diminish.

        I am okay with Braun skating if protocol was actually broken. I have seen no evidence to indicate that protocol was actually broken. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn’t. But either way, Braun’s whiz had a ton of testosterone in it.

  14. sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Feb 24, 2012 at 3:43 PM

    Wow Craig, let it go. Now you are just lashing out and that seems petty. Be the bigger man.

    There is more evidence against Braun than there ever was against Bonds or Clemens, and those guys are universally considered cheaters. The fact the Braun’s sealed pee cup went into a trained handler’s fridge, which some people say is a breach of protocol and other say is not a breach of protocol, does not have anything to do with whether he actually took some sort of PED. Perhaps it casts just enough doubt that the reversal was warranted, but there is still no explanation about how the chemicals got in there. Until I hear otherwise, Occam’s Razor applies.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Feb 24, 2012 at 4:03 PM

      There is more evidence against Braun than there ever was against Bonds or Clemens

      Ok now we’re entering crazy territory in the opposite direction. There is distinct proof that Bonds took steroids. That was never in question. It was whether he knew he was taking steroids.

  15. goforthanddie - Feb 24, 2012 at 3:46 PM

    The sad part is Braun acting like he’s innocent. His guilt/innocence had absolutely nothing to do with the verdict. Common sense would realize that and shut the Hell up.

    • saints97 - Feb 24, 2012 at 3:58 PM

      He is exhibiting clear signs of lying, but I do not have the proper chain of custody for that opinion, so it will get stricken from the record.

  16. 2difshoe - Feb 24, 2012 at 3:49 PM

    Mark McGwire was heard saying, ” I am in awe of myself , ” as Sammy Steroid was glory holing him !

    • WhenMattStairsIsKing - Feb 24, 2012 at 3:57 PM

      What?

  17. rgledz - Feb 24, 2012 at 3:56 PM

    Nothing like comparing a guy who brutally murdered 2 people and a guy that was all hepped up on testosterone. A little stretch, but here in reality……where most of us live, this is a pretty substantial crock. Yes, the sample was handled incorrectly and it should have been thrown out based on that, but curb the enthusiasm a bit there Mr. Braun. Getting off on a technicality does NOT mean you are innocent. The excitement will be tempered when his numbers drop dramatically because there’s no more juice coursing through his veins. Good luck with that.

    • chadjones27 - Feb 24, 2012 at 4:13 PM

      I doubt the Mets player was comparing Braun to OJ Simpson. Instead, merely comparing the two rulings. Although, I don’t personally like that comparison, since one was acquitted and the other won an appeal. But, regardless, no one is comparing a ballplayer who allegedly took a PED with someone who “allegedly” killed two people.

    • jpirish - Feb 24, 2012 at 5:03 PM

      Believe it or not, most players would prefer to compete on a level playing field, despite the best efforts of their union…….saints97

      There is more evidence against Braun than there ever was against Bonds or Clemens, and those guys are universally considered cheaters. The fact the Braun’s sealed pee cup went into a trained handler’s fridge, which some people say is a breach of protocol and other say is not a breach of protocol, does not have anything to do with whether he actually took some sort of PED. Perhaps it casts just enough doubt that the reversal was warranted, but there is still no explanation about how the chemicals got in there. Until I hear otherwise, Occam’s Razor applies

      sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo.
      Two comments I agree with. Nice job gentleman.

  18. evanhartford - Feb 24, 2012 at 3:59 PM

    Craig, Its not that you’re on his payroll, it’s that you are purposely being contraversial to generate activity (and hits) in order for you and HardballTalk to sell more advertisements.

    You never answered my question (back when the news about Braun first broke). Based on everything we know, do you think Braun took PEDs?

    Better yet, if you had to bet on it, which side would you take? I think most people would bet that he did take PEDs, its just Brewers supporters and people with an agenda (steroid apologists, sportswriters looking for ratings and legal bozos) that choose to argue for the sake of arguing.

    • nategearhart - Feb 24, 2012 at 4:03 PM

      No one has to bet. The only evidence that he used is a compromised test, which is not evidence. What you are forming is not an opinion, but a guess.

      • evanhartford - Feb 24, 2012 at 4:34 PM

        I’m not sure you’re forming a coherent thought.

        It’s apparent to me that the “logic” that people are using to defend Braun and his “comprimised test” is the same logic that people use when they make philosophical arguments about “truth” “fact” and “God”. Like, how can we prove anything etc?

        I forgot who coined the term “CSI Effect” or “CSI Syndrome”, but this is exactly the lens by which Craig and virtually everyone that defends suspected steroid users is looking. Unless there’s a DNA match, the person is innocent. In Braun’s case, you have a trained sample courier with a double sealed (seals not broken) sample delivered two days after it COULD have been delivered because the guy mistakenly thought a certain delivery company was closed.

        I asked earlier, are there any acutaries here that can give us a likelihood that this professional sample courier bypassed two seals, taint Braun’s sample, and resealed it without there being any evidence that he/she did so. I’d contend that the likelihood that Braun’s sample was tainted is so low that it is not even CLOSE to unreasonable for people to believe it wasn’t tainted and that that he got off on a technicality.

      • kwells44 - Feb 25, 2012 at 12:16 AM

        If you read evanhartford’s post, it is apparent that he is forming not an opinion, but a guess. (apparently, there are no actuaries posting a reply to his earlier question, so no expert has agreed with his contention)

    • phillyphreak - Feb 24, 2012 at 4:24 PM

      If he wanted to generate hits he’d just post a “Ryan Howard is _______” article. That drives Phillies fans nuts.

    • phillyphreak - Feb 24, 2012 at 4:26 PM

      Also….FTFY

      “people with an agenda (steroid hunters, sportswriters looking for ratings and legal bozos) that choose to argue and form public perception without facts…”

      • evanhartford - Feb 24, 2012 at 5:01 PM

        phillyphreak,

        If you want to be clever, try arguing some of my points. Re-arranging my words to entertain yourself is no way to go through life, son.

      • phillyphreak - Feb 24, 2012 at 5:24 PM

        Dad?

      • evanhartford - Feb 24, 2012 at 5:47 PM

        Haha. No! Animal House (Dean Wirmer)…

        “Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son…”

      • phillyphreak - Feb 24, 2012 at 10:38 PM

        Totally didn’t get that reference but now I need to watch that movie again…

  19. The Baseball Idiot - Feb 24, 2012 at 4:00 PM

    “‘I mean, a few more pointed comments and, yes, I will finally admit that I’m on Braun’s payroll, as so many of you have actually claimed!”

    Think how sweet that could be for you if he played for the Phillies?

  20. Andy - Feb 24, 2012 at 4:02 PM

    Craig, I like you a lot as a writer, but everything you’ve written on this and other doping cases makes it seem like you desperately wanna preserve your image of the MLB as clean and innocent aside from the the few that got caught. Reality is, it’s full of cheaters, because who wouldn’t when the testing is as lax as it is? And something serious needs to be done about it. Give WADA 100 % control over MLB testing now. Yes, there will likely be a ton of players suspended and thrown out (BTW, anything below a 2 yr ban is laughable for a positive test), but in the end we will have a league we can believe in.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Feb 24, 2012 at 4:05 PM

      You really haven’t been reading Craig long enough if you think he does this because he feels MLB is clean and innocent.

      but in the end we will have a league we can believe in.

      What is there not to believe in right now? Do you take this attitude with everything else in life, that if someone cheats the system, the whole system is corrupt?

      • saints97 - Feb 24, 2012 at 4:08 PM

        He could be using a laptop at an Occupy protest.

      • Andy - Feb 24, 2012 at 4:21 PM

        No, I don’t believe that, but if there’s a system that seems way too lax (compare to skiers etc that are tested several times per month, even in the off season and have to give an availablility in case of random testing every day) to ever catch anyone and that excuses those who does cheat, then I won’t believe in it. It’s time for American pro sports (which I generally love a lot more than European ones) to take doping as seriously as the European ones does.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Feb 24, 2012 at 4:30 PM

        to take doping as seriously as the European ones does

        I can only assume you mean cycling here, because drug testing in football [soccer] is an absolute joke in Europe (thanks to FIFA, which isn’t exactly a shock).

    • tadthebad - Feb 24, 2012 at 4:41 PM

      Hmm, interest in the Inquisition-like WADA? Wouldn’t MLB and MLBPA be better served by agency simply seeking facts and truth, rather than those with an agenda?

      • Andy - Feb 24, 2012 at 6:44 PM

        WADA has an agenda to catch cheaters. That’s more or less it.

        And Churchof…..

        I was rather thinking xc skiing, athletics, biathlon etc. And yeah, FIFA are as bad as American pro sports. UCI take it a bit more seriously, though they tend to gloss over things too.

  21. rcali - Feb 24, 2012 at 4:15 PM

    Is it too late to start my teenage son on steriods? I want him to win the MVP too one day.

  22. kebbes - Feb 24, 2012 at 4:16 PM

    so everyone was at his appeal hearing… oh wait it was confidential and no one was there and beyond some no-named source. no one has aaaany clue what his true defense was or the reason he was exonerated. the fact is he WAS exonerated. i think people just dont like looking like idiots after they post a comment or article saying he was guilty and now either arent professional enough or arent man/women enough to admit that they were wrong. oh and the argument that ONE person decided his outcome… there were TWO abitrators who said he wasnt guilty, MLB hands down are the ones at fault here

  23. hijackthemic - Feb 24, 2012 at 4:16 PM

    Gee MLB employees, next time you can’t handle the sample properly or therefore do the test properly, STOP, place a phone call and have the sample retaken. Then all of the people whining like they lost something because Braun’s steroid test is now officially meaningless, could all be dancing in the streets.

  24. stex52 - Feb 24, 2012 at 4:23 PM

    It’s really pretty simple. We are not required to believe anything at all about Ryan Braun. But we must acknowledge that no legitimate test was done to determine his guilt. Proper protocol was not followed (in a trial we would call it “due process”). Therefore there was no test. If you aren’t bothered by the chain of custody being broken, then how about the shameful way the results got to the press before the test was even complete? Confidential process, like Hell.

    And I am perfectly comfortable with every result being appealed. That is only right. They proved this time that the process is no good. MLB deserves the egg on their face.

    • saints97 - Feb 24, 2012 at 5:03 PM

      You might want to get a refund from the law school that taught you what due process is.

      • saints97 - Feb 24, 2012 at 5:21 PM

        I guess there are at least two of you who actually believe that due process has to do with the proper process with which the evidence must be handled.

      • paperlions - Feb 24, 2012 at 5:52 PM

        Yes, due process also included ensuring that evidence is not tampered with and is reliable.

    • cur68 - Feb 24, 2012 at 6:38 PM

      Sue Ellen, when you’re right, you’re right. I totally agree.

      • stex52 - Feb 24, 2012 at 11:39 PM

        I distinctly remember telling you that you could call me that if you paid me large amounts of money. (-:

        Otherwise, thanks, Cur.

  25. jjpileggi - Feb 24, 2012 at 4:33 PM

    The Mets need to win 85 games before their opinion counts for something.

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