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		<title>By: phillyphreak</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/01/the-players-are-not-happy-with-the-braun-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-268178</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[phillyphreak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2012 05:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I never said it&#039;s invented.  I said that they disagree with Craig because they think Braun cheated.  The implication then, and the implication made by many all over this site, is that Craig doesn&#039;t think he cheated.  These aren&#039;t the same arguments.

Also, if that was insulting then people need thicker skin.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never said it&#8217;s invented.  I said that they disagree with Craig because they think Braun cheated.  The implication then, and the implication made by many all over this site, is that Craig doesn&#8217;t think he cheated.  These aren&#8217;t the same arguments.</p>
<p>Also, if that was insulting then people need thicker skin.</p>
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		<title>By: philsfansince80</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[philsfansince80]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2012 23:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, actually...He was defending Braun&#039;s defensive tactics, and that just kind of sets a tone. Any time you come to someone&#039;s defense, then people are going to draw their own conclusion.

Technically, one could argue (and many did), that Braun&#039;s strategy only raises further suspicion that he did it, so to defend that, would in itself be indirectly taking a stance.

All I&#039;m really saying is that it&#039;s kind of naive to take anyone thoughts for face value. There is always something to read between the lines, and people will always perceive things differently. In defending Braun in any way, he opened himself up to it, which I am sure he is aware of...

I think that&#039;s much more reasonable, and less insulting, then to come to the conclusion that people are so hell-bent on disagreeing with Craig that they are actually going to put him on the opposing side of every opinion they have. That and...usually when someone disagrees with someone it actually relates to something they disagree over. They don&#039;t need to invent something to disagree over.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, actually&#8230;He was defending Braun&#8217;s defensive tactics, and that just kind of sets a tone. Any time you come to someone&#8217;s defense, then people are going to draw their own conclusion.</p>
<p>Technically, one could argue (and many did), that Braun&#8217;s strategy only raises further suspicion that he did it, so to defend that, would in itself be indirectly taking a stance.</p>
<p>All I&#8217;m really saying is that it&#8217;s kind of naive to take anyone thoughts for face value. There is always something to read between the lines, and people will always perceive things differently. In defending Braun in any way, he opened himself up to it, which I am sure he is aware of&#8230;</p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s much more reasonable, and less insulting, then to come to the conclusion that people are so hell-bent on disagreeing with Craig that they are actually going to put him on the opposing side of every opinion they have. That and&#8230;usually when someone disagrees with someone it actually relates to something they disagree over. They don&#8217;t need to invent something to disagree over.</p>
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		<title>By: ta192</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ta192]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2012 18:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, sdel, Marvin Miller isn&#039;t the only one who agrees with you...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, sdel, Marvin Miller isn&#8217;t the only one who agrees with you&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ken1lutheran</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/01/the-players-are-not-happy-with-the-braun-decision/comment-page-2/#comment-267895</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ken1lutheran]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2012 18:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s more to the case than that.  There was a subsequent clean test.  You don&#039;t get that stuff out of your system that quickly.  That makes the issue of chain of custody very important.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s more to the case than that.  There was a subsequent clean test.  You don&#8217;t get that stuff out of your system that quickly.  That makes the issue of chain of custody very important.</p>
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		<title>By: stumblebum76</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/01/the-players-are-not-happy-with-the-braun-decision/comment-page-2/#comment-267760</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stumblebum76]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2012 16:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He&#039;s a cheater, ad everybody knows it.  So, what&#039;s the big deal about procedure.  Let him walk and thumb his nose at all the honest players in the major leagues.  We all know what he is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s a cheater, ad everybody knows it.  So, what&#8217;s the big deal about procedure.  Let him walk and thumb his nose at all the honest players in the major leagues.  We all know what he is.</p>
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		<title>By: stercuilus65</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/01/the-players-are-not-happy-with-the-braun-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-267596</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stercuilus65]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2012 04:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Craig gets angry because he wants people to throw common sense out the window when they look at this case. He gets angry because people are calling his BS Straw-man arguments for what they are. He gets angry because defending such a despicable display that Braun and his lawyers have put on isn&#039;t going anywhere with the thinking public and obviously a vast majority of the players. It must be very frustrating to be president of the flat earth society.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig gets angry because he wants people to throw common sense out the window when they look at this case. He gets angry because people are calling his BS Straw-man arguments for what they are. He gets angry because defending such a despicable display that Braun and his lawyers have put on isn&#8217;t going anywhere with the thinking public and obviously a vast majority of the players. It must be very frustrating to be president of the flat earth society.</p>
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		<title>By: stercuilus65</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/01/the-players-are-not-happy-with-the-braun-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-267594</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stercuilus65]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2012 04:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is a reason why Braun didn&#039;t try to appeal the triple sealed, degradation free, twice tested sample by the lab and test taker approved by the Players Association.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a reason why Braun didn&#8217;t try to appeal the triple sealed, degradation free, twice tested sample by the lab and test taker approved by the Players Association.</p>
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		<title>By: stercuilus65</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stercuilus65]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2012 04:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A few things that we know:

There was no degradation of the sample which supports it was stored properly.

The three seals were intact which it makes it very hard to believe they were tampered with outside of area 51 9/11 conspiracy buffs.

Urine will not spontaneously generate testosterone, if anything the level will go down in time. Braun&#039;s PR team is throwing it out there along with the sleazy innuendo about the test taker to try to create doubt among people desperate to believe. There&#039;s a reason they didn&#039;t try it with the arbitrator.

The test taker was chosen by MLB AND the Players Association who have had no problem with his six years of service until now where suddenly Braun finds him shady and incompetent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few things that we know:</p>
<p>There was no degradation of the sample which supports it was stored properly.</p>
<p>The three seals were intact which it makes it very hard to believe they were tampered with outside of area 51 9/11 conspiracy buffs.</p>
<p>Urine will not spontaneously generate testosterone, if anything the level will go down in time. Braun&#8217;s PR team is throwing it out there along with the sleazy innuendo about the test taker to try to create doubt among people desperate to believe. There&#8217;s a reason they didn&#8217;t try it with the arbitrator.</p>
<p>The test taker was chosen by MLB AND the Players Association who have had no problem with his six years of service until now where suddenly Braun finds him shady and incompetent.</p>
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		<title>By: plmathfoto</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/01/the-players-are-not-happy-with-the-braun-decision/comment-page-2/#comment-267570</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[plmathfoto]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2012 02:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just got my answer, read Craig&#039;s twitter responses, he used to be a lawyer, explains a lot here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just got my answer, read Craig&#8217;s twitter responses, he used to be a lawyer, explains a lot here.</p>
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		<title>By: patsandsox</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/01/the-players-are-not-happy-with-the-braun-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-267566</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[patsandsox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2012 02:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When can they get some one with more credibility and some impartiality to write on this subject? I think Craig Calcaterra has pretty much shown he has neither.
The only good thing is when I post at this time of night I wont have to listen to him whine because his mommy doesnt let him use the computer in her basement after 9pm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When can they get some one with more credibility and some impartiality to write on this subject? I think Craig Calcaterra has pretty much shown he has neither.<br />
The only good thing is when I post at this time of night I wont have to listen to him whine because his mommy doesnt let him use the computer in her basement after 9pm</p>
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		<title>By: MarMar</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MarMar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2012 00:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@bdawk20 but none of the FedEx employees would have anyway of knowing it was Braun&#039;s sample, unless they opened the box.  But then I believed the samples themselves don&#039;t have names on them.  So in the end the only one who knows is the collector himself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@bdawk20 but none of the FedEx employees would have anyway of knowing it was Braun&#8217;s sample, unless they opened the box.  But then I believed the samples themselves don&#8217;t have names on them.  So in the end the only one who knows is the collector himself.</p>
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		<title>By: senclaydavis</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[senclaydavis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 22:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[bdawk,

Again, according to Will Carroll, Braun&#039;s defense team did argue that the storage process led to a change in the urine sample. It is a &quot;process&quot; argument in the sense that the process influenced the test result. 

I watched Braun&#039;s press conference, and he never said the sample was tampered with. He said something about learning things about the process that made them suspicious. His statement is completely consistent with the storage process leading to a change in the urine composition.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bdawk,</p>
<p>Again, according to Will Carroll, Braun&#8217;s defense team did argue that the storage process led to a change in the urine sample. It is a &#8220;process&#8221; argument in the sense that the process influenced the test result. </p>
<p>I watched Braun&#8217;s press conference, and he never said the sample was tampered with. He said something about learning things about the process that made them suspicious. His statement is completely consistent with the storage process leading to a change in the urine composition.</p>
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		<title>By: bdawk20</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/01/the-players-are-not-happy-with-the-braun-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-267384</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bdawk20]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 21:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Totally unrelated, but when did Braun become Henry Rolengardner??]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally unrelated, but when did Braun become Henry Rolengardner??</p>
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		<title>By: spindervish</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/01/the-players-are-not-happy-with-the-braun-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-267356</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spindervish]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 20:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Because that&#039;s his job. That&#039;s what his blog is for. He&#039;s passing along an interesting tidbit. For fuck&#039;s sake, it&#039;s not a scientific study and I doubt it was presented as such.

And I don&#039;t even like Olney.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because that&#8217;s his job. That&#8217;s what his blog is for. He&#8217;s passing along an interesting tidbit. For fuck&#8217;s sake, it&#8217;s not a scientific study and I doubt it was presented as such.</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t even like Olney.</p>
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		<title>By: saints97</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[saints97]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 20:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I really do enjoy that line of argument. 

Player A (let&#039;s call him Brett Meyers) beats the crap out of his wife. His defense is that she had it coming.

Player B (anonymous) says that Meyers used a ridiculous defense.

Brett Meyers then says that Player B is full of crap because if he beat his wife, he&#039;d use the same excuse!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really do enjoy that line of argument. </p>
<p>Player A (let&#8217;s call him Brett Meyers) beats the crap out of his wife. His defense is that she had it coming.</p>
<p>Player B (anonymous) says that Meyers used a ridiculous defense.</p>
<p>Brett Meyers then says that Player B is full of crap because if he beat his wife, he&#8217;d use the same excuse!</p>
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		<title>By: stevem7</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stevem7]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 20:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Two things stand out here with the OLNEY people.  First and foremost Craig is right that not a one of them would hesitate to use the same argument if they were under the gun.  The second thing that really stands out is they aren&#039;t identified.  Bunch of really brave souls aren&#039;t they.  Afraid to give their names.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two things stand out here with the OLNEY people.  First and foremost Craig is right that not a one of them would hesitate to use the same argument if they were under the gun.  The second thing that really stands out is they aren&#8217;t identified.  Bunch of really brave souls aren&#8217;t they.  Afraid to give their names.</p>
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		<title>By: bdawk20</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bdawk20]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 20:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yup, he did not argue that the specimen was tampered with in his appeal, but he made that argument in his statement to the public. He is using his win against the testing procedure to theorize that the flawed procedure caused the positive test. 

The one thing Braun does have in his favor is that he has never had a positive test before. The negative thing is that he was tested in the playoffs, during the biggest moment of his young career.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup, he did not argue that the specimen was tampered with in his appeal, but he made that argument in his statement to the public. He is using his win against the testing procedure to theorize that the flawed procedure caused the positive test. </p>
<p>The one thing Braun does have in his favor is that he has never had a positive test before. The negative thing is that he was tested in the playoffs, during the biggest moment of his young career.</p>
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		<title>By: wlschneider09</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wlschneider09]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 19:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And who gave this thought a thumbs down?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And who gave this thought a thumbs down?</p>
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		<title>By: brewcrewfan54</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[brewcrewfan54]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 19:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While I will admit I blew it on the reading comprehension part it still just makes my original comment stand out as true. If he hasn&#039;t talked to that many people why say anything at all about it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I will admit I blew it on the reading comprehension part it still just makes my original comment stand out as true. If he hasn&#8217;t talked to that many people why say anything at all about it?</p>
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		<title>By: saints97</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[saints97]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 19:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If he doesn&#039;t explain himself, he should be immediately dismissed as the MLB and MLBPA arbitrator. These guys cannot be allowed to escape accountability.

This guy is not stupid, though. He has a reason for ruling the way he did, and I feel pretty confident that reason will be announced soon enough. My guess is that his reasoning will be one that shows a complete ignorance to the chemistry of urine, and the testing process in general, though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If he doesn&#8217;t explain himself, he should be immediately dismissed as the MLB and MLBPA arbitrator. These guys cannot be allowed to escape accountability.</p>
<p>This guy is not stupid, though. He has a reason for ruling the way he did, and I feel pretty confident that reason will be announced soon enough. My guess is that his reasoning will be one that shows a complete ignorance to the chemistry of urine, and the testing process in general, though.</p>
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		<title>By: randygnyc</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[randygnyc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 19:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I recall reading somewhere that the arbitrator doesn&#039;t need to clarify his ruling.  I suppose that also means that he doesn&#039;t need to file an explanatory ruling beyond, appeal approved.  Anyone else hear/read that?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recall reading somewhere that the arbitrator doesn&#8217;t need to clarify his ruling.  I suppose that also means that he doesn&#8217;t need to file an explanatory ruling beyond, appeal approved.  Anyone else hear/read that?</p>
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		<title>By: nolanwiffle</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/01/the-players-are-not-happy-with-the-braun-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-267222</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 18:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The procedures plainly state that the samples cannot be left at a FedEx drop box.  I&#039;m very curious to know why the arbitrator ruled in the fashion he did.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The procedures plainly state that the samples cannot be left at a FedEx drop box.  I&#8217;m very curious to know why the arbitrator ruled in the fashion he did.</p>
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		<title>By: 78mu</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/01/the-players-are-not-happy-with-the-braun-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-267191</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[78mu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 18:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All the arbitrators should explain their decisions including the union&#039;s rep.  He has an obligation to study the evidence and weigh the arguments just as any impartial judge and not just automatically vote for the player. Ditto for the MLB rep. 

And I hope Das has to take questions from reporters and doesn&#039;t get off with just giving a written report justifying his decision. I&#039;ve never had trouble writing a report justifying anything I did since it&#039;s not hard come up with BS to cover your behind.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the arbitrators should explain their decisions including the union&#8217;s rep.  He has an obligation to study the evidence and weigh the arguments just as any impartial judge and not just automatically vote for the player. Ditto for the MLB rep. </p>
<p>And I hope Das has to take questions from reporters and doesn&#8217;t get off with just giving a written report justifying his decision. I&#8217;ve never had trouble writing a report justifying anything I did since it&#8217;s not hard come up with BS to cover your behind.</p>
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		<title>By: blabidibla</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/01/the-players-are-not-happy-with-the-braun-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-267188</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[blabidibla]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 18:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The agreement doesn&#039;t require the sample be shipped on the same day. It says it &quot;should be&quot; but still allows for the sample to be stored if necessary for later shipment. See post below]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The agreement doesn&#8217;t require the sample be shipped on the same day. It says it &#8220;should be&#8221; but still allows for the sample to be stored if necessary for later shipment. See post below</p>
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		<title>By: Baseball Beer Burritos In That Order</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/01/the-players-are-not-happy-with-the-braun-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-267185</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baseball Beer Burritos In That Order]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 18:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[brewcrew, did you even read the excerpt from the comment?
“I’m guessing I’ve had 30 to 40 conversations with different folks around the sport, &lt;i&gt;a small sample for sure.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

“I’m guessing I’ve had 30 to 40 conversations with different folks around the sport, &lt;b&gt;a small sample for sure.&lt;/b&gt;&quot;

“I’m guessing I’ve had 30 to 40 conversations with different folks around the sport, &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;a small sample for sure.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Now go back and read the rest of it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>brewcrew, did you even read the excerpt from the comment?<br />
“I’m guessing I’ve had 30 to 40 conversations with different folks around the sport, <i>a small sample for sure.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>“I’m guessing I’ve had 30 to 40 conversations with different folks around the sport, <b>a small sample for sure.</b>&#8221;</p>
<p>“I’m guessing I’ve had 30 to 40 conversations with different folks around the sport, <b><i>a small sample for sure.</i></b>&#8221;</p>
<p>Now go back and read the rest of it.</p>
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		<title>By: blabidibla</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/01/the-players-are-not-happy-with-the-braun-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-267180</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[blabidibla]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 18:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The agreement:  http://mlbplayers.mlb.com/pa/pdf/jda.pdf

&quot;Absent unusual circumstances, the specimens should be sent by FedEx to the Laboratory on the same day they are collected.&quot;  

Note: By all reports the ruling was based on the definition of &quot;unusual circumstances.&quot; 

Note: &quot;...should be...&quot; not &quot;must be&quot;  sent by FedEx to the Laboratory on the same day they are collected.

&quot;If the specimen is not immediately prepared for shipment, the Collector shall ensure that it is appropriately safeguarded during temporary storage.
1. The Collector must keep the chain of custody intact.
2. The Collector must store the samples in a cool and secure location.&quot;

Note: the agreement allows for delay and storage in a cool and secure location.

By all reports these are the details the decision to dismiss this case were based on. I eagerly await the Arbiter&#039;s explanation how the samples sitting in a unsecured Fed Ex facility for 2 days would not be considered unusual circumstances, or how Laurenzi&#039;s apparently allowed storage of the samples violated this agreement.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The agreement:  <a href="http://mlbplayers.mlb.com/pa/pdf/jda.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://mlbplayers.mlb.com/pa/pdf/jda.pdf</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Absent unusual circumstances, the specimens should be sent by FedEx to the Laboratory on the same day they are collected.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Note: By all reports the ruling was based on the definition of &#8220;unusual circumstances.&#8221; </p>
<p>Note: &#8220;&#8230;should be&#8230;&#8221; not &#8220;must be&#8221;  sent by FedEx to the Laboratory on the same day they are collected.</p>
<p>&#8220;If the specimen is not immediately prepared for shipment, the Collector shall ensure that it is appropriately safeguarded during temporary storage.<br />
1. The Collector must keep the chain of custody intact.<br />
2. The Collector must store the samples in a cool and secure location.&#8221;</p>
<p>Note: the agreement allows for delay and storage in a cool and secure location.</p>
<p>By all reports these are the details the decision to dismiss this case were based on. I eagerly await the Arbiter&#8217;s explanation how the samples sitting in a unsecured Fed Ex facility for 2 days would not be considered unusual circumstances, or how Laurenzi&#8217;s apparently allowed storage of the samples violated this agreement.</p>
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		<title>By: senclaydavis</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/01/the-players-are-not-happy-with-the-braun-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-267172</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[senclaydavis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 18:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[78mu,

&quot;Braun didn’t argue that the specimen was tampered with or that the delay contaminated his urine. He only argued process, not that the process changed his sample.&quot; 

How on earth do you know this? According to Will Carroll, Braun argued that the storage conditions are what led to the change in the testosterone/epitestosterone ratio. We won&#039;t know for sure if this is true until we see Das&#039;s report, but it makes more sense to me than the arbitrator being duped by some dumb procedural point that has no effect.

And it is not surprising that current players are not happy with the Braun decision given that ESPN has forced the &quot;technicality&quot; explanation upon them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>78mu,</p>
<p>&#8220;Braun didn’t argue that the specimen was tampered with or that the delay contaminated his urine. He only argued process, not that the process changed his sample.&#8221; </p>
<p>How on earth do you know this? According to Will Carroll, Braun argued that the storage conditions are what led to the change in the testosterone/epitestosterone ratio. We won&#8217;t know for sure if this is true until we see Das&#8217;s report, but it makes more sense to me than the arbitrator being duped by some dumb procedural point that has no effect.</p>
<p>And it is not surprising that current players are not happy with the Braun decision given that ESPN has forced the &#8220;technicality&#8221; explanation upon them.</p>
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		<title>By: rubbernilly</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/01/the-players-are-not-happy-with-the-braun-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-267168</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rubbernilly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 18:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This, FTW.

Well put.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This, FTW.</p>
<p>Well put.</p>
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		<title>By: rubbernilly</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/01/the-players-are-not-happy-with-the-braun-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-267160</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rubbernilly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 18:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The test was invalidated by incomplete, non-distinct verbiage in the MLB drug policy, and it was only invalidated for purposes of that drug policy.

If (1) other experts come out and say that the manner in which the sample was handled is consistent with industry norms and that such handling would not alter the chemistry of the sample (which is happening already; experts are speaking out), and (2) we find that there is no way to demonstrate that such handling could alter the sample (ie, the rumor proves false that Braun&#039;s legal team was able to replicate a false positive, or at least that such a false positive test would be discovered on testing the B-sample), then we&#039;re left with a test which would, by any other normative standard, have resulted in a finding of guilty and a suspension from the given sport.

Even more damning would be MLB rewriting the policy to state that what happened in this case is exactly what they would *want* to have happen in the case of a weekend test without a FedEx shop available.

So don&#039;t pretend, just because MLB can&#039;t render a penalty, that we can&#039;t still use our reason and our judgment to form an opinion about this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The test was invalidated by incomplete, non-distinct verbiage in the MLB drug policy, and it was only invalidated for purposes of that drug policy.</p>
<p>If (1) other experts come out and say that the manner in which the sample was handled is consistent with industry norms and that such handling would not alter the chemistry of the sample (which is happening already; experts are speaking out), and (2) we find that there is no way to demonstrate that such handling could alter the sample (ie, the rumor proves false that Braun&#8217;s legal team was able to replicate a false positive, or at least that such a false positive test would be discovered on testing the B-sample), then we&#8217;re left with a test which would, by any other normative standard, have resulted in a finding of guilty and a suspension from the given sport.</p>
<p>Even more damning would be MLB rewriting the policy to state that what happened in this case is exactly what they would *want* to have happen in the case of a weekend test without a FedEx shop available.</p>
<p>So don&#8217;t pretend, just because MLB can&#8217;t render a penalty, that we can&#8217;t still use our reason and our judgment to form an opinion about this.</p>
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		<title>By: 78mu</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/01/the-players-are-not-happy-with-the-braun-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-267159</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[78mu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 17:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And this is why people say he got off on a technicality. Braun didn&#039;t argue that the specimen was tampered with or that the delay contaminated his urine. He only argued process, not that the process changed his sample.

Braun could have argued process unless he gave his sample in the drug testing lab. There were always people handling samples which is why they are bar coded and signed off by the player. 

I want to see the arguments put forth by Braun&#039;s team and whether there really was a FedEx office that could have taken the sample. If the sample could not have been dropped off and shipped until Monday the arbitrator has some explaining to do as does the union rep on the panel since he should have to justify his decision beyond saying he works for the players.

Until we get all the info (and I hope reporters dig into the whole story) this case will always smell fishy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And this is why people say he got off on a technicality. Braun didn&#8217;t argue that the specimen was tampered with or that the delay contaminated his urine. He only argued process, not that the process changed his sample.</p>
<p>Braun could have argued process unless he gave his sample in the drug testing lab. There were always people handling samples which is why they are bar coded and signed off by the player. </p>
<p>I want to see the arguments put forth by Braun&#8217;s team and whether there really was a FedEx office that could have taken the sample. If the sample could not have been dropped off and shipped until Monday the arbitrator has some explaining to do as does the union rep on the panel since he should have to justify his decision beyond saying he works for the players.</p>
<p>Until we get all the info (and I hope reporters dig into the whole story) this case will always smell fishy.</p>
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