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	<title>Comments on: Springtime Storylines: Are the Pittsburgh Pirates getting any closer to breaking .500?</title>
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		<title>By: foreverchipper10</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 21:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They do have a really nice stadium. I&#039;ve been to a few games out there. Then I drank my sorrows away as the hometown Bucs would almost always beat the Braves at the games I attended. At least I could top my night off with an enormous order of fries from the O.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They do have a really nice stadium. I&#8217;ve been to a few games out there. Then I drank my sorrows away as the hometown Bucs would almost always beat the Braves at the games I attended. At least I could top my night off with an enormous order of fries from the O.</p>
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		<title>By: stairwayto7</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stairwayto7]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 20:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pirates get 85 wins and finish 2nd behind the Reds...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pirates get 85 wins and finish 2nd behind the Reds&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dexterismyhero</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 20:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[no....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: florida76</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[florida76]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 19:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I honestly don&#039;t know how many people here realize the Bucs improved by 15 games last year, meaning they&#039;re only 11 games away from reaching .500. The NL Central will definitely be weaker this year, with Milwaukee and St. Louis taking a step back. The Brewers lost Fielder, and players associated with PEDS like Braun struggle after these investigations. The Cards just lost two future hall of famers, and how many defending World Champs in MLB history return with someone who&#039;s never managed before?

The Cubs are still the Cubs, and the Astros are just horrible. Reds should take the division. In terms of keeping talented players, yes, it will be more difficult, but the Bucs aren&#039;t in the same division as the Yanks and Red Sox. Sure, the system is flawed, always has been, but the Bucs current management has made plenty of smart moves. Not even the most loyal Pirates fans thought a deal for Cutch would be done so quickly, that&#039;s good management. Things are definitely looking up, if you take the time and effort to study the situation properly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I honestly don&#8217;t know how many people here realize the Bucs improved by 15 games last year, meaning they&#8217;re only 11 games away from reaching .500. The NL Central will definitely be weaker this year, with Milwaukee and St. Louis taking a step back. The Brewers lost Fielder, and players associated with PEDS like Braun struggle after these investigations. The Cards just lost two future hall of famers, and how many defending World Champs in MLB history return with someone who&#8217;s never managed before?</p>
<p>The Cubs are still the Cubs, and the Astros are just horrible. Reds should take the division. In terms of keeping talented players, yes, it will be more difficult, but the Bucs aren&#8217;t in the same division as the Yanks and Red Sox. Sure, the system is flawed, always has been, but the Bucs current management has made plenty of smart moves. Not even the most loyal Pirates fans thought a deal for Cutch would be done so quickly, that&#8217;s good management. Things are definitely looking up, if you take the time and effort to study the situation properly.</p>
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		<title>By: istillbelieveinblue</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 17:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I live in Indianapolis, so I&#039;ve watched a parade of mediocre, over-hyped prospects come through Victory Field on the way to Pittsburgh (McCutchen being the exception).  The problem over the last 5 years has been poor drafting and poor player development.  The Pirates have wasted top draft picks on players like Brian Bullington and rushed players like Pedro Alvarez (68 KO vs 32BB in 278PA in his first year at AAA). They seem to be making progress, but you don&#039;t rebuild a farm system overnight.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Indianapolis, so I&#8217;ve watched a parade of mediocre, over-hyped prospects come through Victory Field on the way to Pittsburgh (McCutchen being the exception).  The problem over the last 5 years has been poor drafting and poor player development.  The Pirates have wasted top draft picks on players like Brian Bullington and rushed players like Pedro Alvarez (68 KO vs 32BB in 278PA in his first year at AAA). They seem to be making progress, but you don&#8217;t rebuild a farm system overnight.</p>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paperlions]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 17:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Central isn&#039;t really any weaker this year than last.  Two players left, others have come in or returned from injury.  This year may be the Pirates best chance at .500 with the Astros around.  After the Astros leave, and with the Cubs now being brought out of the 1970s and into the 21st century, the Pirates likely will be an annual contender for the cellar.

The new CBA is going to make it very hard to develop an entire group of young players to populate a competitive roster, and the Pirates are still going to have problems keeping most of their young talent around.  As mentioned above, teams will have to pick and choose who to keep and who to let go...and compensation for lost FAs is going way down.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Central isn&#8217;t really any weaker this year than last.  Two players left, others have come in or returned from injury.  This year may be the Pirates best chance at .500 with the Astros around.  After the Astros leave, and with the Cubs now being brought out of the 1970s and into the 21st century, the Pirates likely will be an annual contender for the cellar.</p>
<p>The new CBA is going to make it very hard to develop an entire group of young players to populate a competitive roster, and the Pirates are still going to have problems keeping most of their young talent around.  As mentioned above, teams will have to pick and choose who to keep and who to let go&#8230;and compensation for lost FAs is going way down.</p>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paperlions]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 16:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is no &quot;fix&quot;.  It is too late; this is the financial structure we have.  MLB would have had to negotiate national TV contracts or instituted high levels of revenue sharing....the big money (corporate advertising and TV) is now associated with local TV contracts and RSNs....there is no &quot;fix&quot;...as the kids say...it is what it is (and it won&#039;t be changing).

The problem is that MLB is actively screwing over small market teams even more by restricting HOW they spend the money they do have.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no &#8220;fix&#8221;.  It is too late; this is the financial structure we have.  MLB would have had to negotiate national TV contracts or instituted high levels of revenue sharing&#8230;.the big money (corporate advertising and TV) is now associated with local TV contracts and RSNs&#8230;.there is no &#8220;fix&#8221;&#8230;as the kids say&#8230;it is what it is (and it won&#8217;t be changing).</p>
<p>The problem is that MLB is actively screwing over small market teams even more by restricting HOW they spend the money they do have.</p>
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		<title>By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 16:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;So how do you expect to fix it then?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Let the market play itself out?  What was so bad before that they had to make a change?  I posted this when the CBA was first ratified, that the Pirates spent more on the entire draft than some NFL teams spend on their first round pick!  $17M for a draft class is peanuts compared to the RoI the teams get if even one of those players pans out as a regular MLB player.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The luxury tax isn’t working. It keeps some teams from overspending, but if they really want a free agent, they can still buy him whereas others can’t.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;d say it is working as the worst offender is going to try and do everything possible to get under the cap.

&lt;blockquote&gt;“*this isn’t a screed for a cap, which does nothing but put more money in owner’s pockets”

when people say this, what they usually mean is: ‘less money in the player’s pocket’

How is one group of greedy egomaniacs different than another?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

For one, people go to see the players play, not to see the owners.  Yes the owner&#039;s money allows the games to happen, but if every team was put up for sale, you&#039;d have dozens of rich people getting in line to buy a team.

Two, the players increase the popularity of the game, again not the owners.  So each year the league breaks record profits, a salary cap would put all those gains into the hands of the owners.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So how do you expect to fix it then?</p></blockquote>
<p>Let the market play itself out?  What was so bad before that they had to make a change?  I posted this when the CBA was first ratified, that the Pirates spent more on the entire draft than some NFL teams spend on their first round pick!  $17M for a draft class is peanuts compared to the RoI the teams get if even one of those players pans out as a regular MLB player.</p>
<blockquote><p>The luxury tax isn’t working. It keeps some teams from overspending, but if they really want a free agent, they can still buy him whereas others can’t.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;d say it is working as the worst offender is going to try and do everything possible to get under the cap.</p>
<blockquote><p>“*this isn’t a screed for a cap, which does nothing but put more money in owner’s pockets”</p>
<p>when people say this, what they usually mean is: ‘less money in the player’s pocket’</p>
<p>How is one group of greedy egomaniacs different than another?</p></blockquote>
<p>For one, people go to see the players play, not to see the owners.  Yes the owner&#8217;s money allows the games to happen, but if every team was put up for sale, you&#8217;d have dozens of rich people getting in line to buy a team.</p>
<p>Two, the players increase the popularity of the game, again not the owners.  So each year the league breaks record profits, a salary cap would put all those gains into the hands of the owners.</p>
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		<title>By: CJ</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 16:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yet, as stated above the CBA really makes it difficult for them to continue to use the model that has put them on this path to begin with.

Are they closer to breaking .500 this year?  Yeah, they&#039;ll win a more games than last year probably, but no that&#039;s not going to get them any closer to actually getting to .500 anytime soon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yet, as stated above the CBA really makes it difficult for them to continue to use the model that has put them on this path to begin with.</p>
<p>Are they closer to breaking .500 this year?  Yeah, they&#8217;ll win a more games than last year probably, but no that&#8217;s not going to get them any closer to actually getting to .500 anytime soon.</p>
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		<title>By: florida76</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[florida76]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 15:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Any objective, intelligent fan would have to say yes. Unfortunately, some people are stuck with stereotypes, and generalizations from the past. The Bucs have definitely upgraded their roster, and many of their young players should only improve from 2011. Injuries(after Burnett returns), shouldn&#039;t be as numerous as 2011, either. Contrary to the perception, the Pirates didn&#039;t have a ton of players who overachieved last season. 

The weakened NL Central also helps the Bucs. Low win estimate is in the mid 70s range, and with a few breaks, .500 is a realistic possibility. The organization appears to be finally on the right track, to regaining the winning ways of the past.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any objective, intelligent fan would have to say yes. Unfortunately, some people are stuck with stereotypes, and generalizations from the past. The Bucs have definitely upgraded their roster, and many of their young players should only improve from 2011. Injuries(after Burnett returns), shouldn&#8217;t be as numerous as 2011, either. Contrary to the perception, the Pirates didn&#8217;t have a ton of players who overachieved last season. </p>
<p>The weakened NL Central also helps the Bucs. Low win estimate is in the mid 70s range, and with a few breaks, .500 is a realistic possibility. The organization appears to be finally on the right track, to regaining the winning ways of the past.</p>
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		<title>By: The Baseball Idiot</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Baseball Idiot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 15:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So how do you expect to fix it then?  

The luxury tax isn&#039;t working. It keeps some teams from overspending, but if they really want a free agent, they can still buy him whereas others can&#039;t.

It&#039;s either the status quo, or some radical system like a salary cap (which I am against).

However:  

&quot;*this isn’t a screed for a cap, which does nothing but put more money in owner’s pockets&quot;

when people say this, what they usually mean is: &#039;less money in the player&#039;s pocket&#039;

How is one group of greedy egomaniacs different than another?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So how do you expect to fix it then?  </p>
<p>The luxury tax isn&#8217;t working. It keeps some teams from overspending, but if they really want a free agent, they can still buy him whereas others can&#8217;t.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s either the status quo, or some radical system like a salary cap (which I am against).</p>
<p>However:  </p>
<p>&#8220;*this isn’t a screed for a cap, which does nothing but put more money in owner’s pockets&#8221;</p>
<p>when people say this, what they usually mean is: &#8216;less money in the player&#8217;s pocket&#8217;</p>
<p>How is one group of greedy egomaniacs different than another?</p>
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		<title>By: El Bravo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[El Bravo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 14:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Without reading this post, I will attempt to answer the question posed in the headline: OH HELL NO!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without reading this post, I will attempt to answer the question posed in the headline: OH HELL NO!</p>
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		<title>By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 14:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s an issue for almost all teams.  One of the biggest advantages the Yanks have with all their money, and lack of a salary cap*, is that when they finally strike gold with a draft pick, they can afford to keep that pick &lt;b&gt;AND&lt;/b&gt; sign the top free agents.  Most teams can afford to keep maybe one or two great players around, not the 4-5 the Yanks were able to do through the late 90s/early 00s (Jeter, Posada, Rivera, Williams, etc).

The Pirates finally start flexing some financial muscle, and $17M total for the draft is peanuts compared to the RoI, get some great picks, and then MLB/MLBPA flushes it all away the following year.


*this isn&#039;t a screed for a cap, which does nothing but put more money in owner&#039;s pockets.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s an issue for almost all teams.  One of the biggest advantages the Yanks have with all their money, and lack of a salary cap*, is that when they finally strike gold with a draft pick, they can afford to keep that pick <b>AND</b> sign the top free agents.  Most teams can afford to keep maybe one or two great players around, not the 4-5 the Yanks were able to do through the late 90s/early 00s (Jeter, Posada, Rivera, Williams, etc).</p>
<p>The Pirates finally start flexing some financial muscle, and $17M total for the draft is peanuts compared to the RoI, get some great picks, and then MLB/MLBPA flushes it all away the following year.</p>
<p>*this isn&#8217;t a screed for a cap, which does nothing but put more money in owner&#8217;s pockets.</p>
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		<title>By: umrguy42</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 14:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I got the impression in past years that the problem for the Pirates wasn&#039;t so much growing their own talent, but keeping the good ones once they hit free agency?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got the impression in past years that the problem for the Pirates wasn&#8217;t so much growing their own talent, but keeping the good ones once they hit free agency?</p>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paperlions]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 14:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yep, the new CBA helped ensure that if the Pirates ever do compete, it will be for short windows.  The combination of reduced draft pick compensation for loss of FAs and cost control on spending on amateur talent was a giant middle finger to small market teams (yeah, I&#039;m thinking about you Tampa Bay).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, the new CBA helped ensure that if the Pirates ever do compete, it will be for short windows.  The combination of reduced draft pick compensation for loss of FAs and cost control on spending on amateur talent was a giant middle finger to small market teams (yeah, I&#8217;m thinking about you Tampa Bay).</p>
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		<title>By: stex52</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 14:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agreed. Seems like Bud and the big boys like to work together to maintain their natural advantage. Even if having the big markets ran up the price of draft choices, it is still more affordable than the free agents. And the higher risk of the draft would cause them to gravitate back toward overpaying for the proven talents.

But the deal is done.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed. Seems like Bud and the big boys like to work together to maintain their natural advantage. Even if having the big markets ran up the price of draft choices, it is still more affordable than the free agents. And the higher risk of the draft would cause them to gravitate back toward overpaying for the proven talents.</p>
<p>But the deal is done.</p>
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		<title>By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 14:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Pittsburgh spent a franchise-record $11.9 million on the 2010 draft, then smashed that this past year with over $17 million in contracts. Small-market teams must develop their own (cost-controlled) talent. The Pirates are finally making investments on the right side of baseball’s massive money pot.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And then MLB and the MLBPA had to go and mess this all up with the latest CBA.  Still no clue why small market owners would agree to this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Pittsburgh spent a franchise-record $11.9 million on the 2010 draft, then smashed that this past year with over $17 million in contracts. Small-market teams must develop their own (cost-controlled) talent. The Pirates are finally making investments on the right side of baseball’s massive money pot.</p></blockquote>
<p>And then MLB and the MLBPA had to go and mess this all up with the latest CBA.  Still no clue why small market owners would agree to this.</p>
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