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	<title>Comments on: Jamie Moyer helps his comeback cause with two strong innings</title>
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		<title>By: bigleagues</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bigleagues]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 20:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, right! Can&#039;t bet against this hardball grand wizard! Although he would be the oldest to ever do it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, right! Can&#8217;t bet against this hardball grand wizard! Although he would be the oldest to ever do it.</p>
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		<title>By: bravojawja</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bravojawja]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 17:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Moyer’s first 20-win season came at age 38 and his second and last at age 40.&lt;/i&gt;

You mean &quot;second and last &lt;i&gt;so far&lt;/i&gt;,&quot; right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Moyer’s first 20-win season came at age 38 and his second and last at age 40.</i></p>
<p>You mean &#8220;second and last <i>so far</i>,&#8221; right?</p>
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		<title>By: diehardcubbiefan4life</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 17:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Long live Jamie Moyer. If he doesn&#039;t get into the Hall Of Fame, he&#039;s always in the Hall of Awesome in my book.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Long live Jamie Moyer. If he doesn&#8217;t get into the Hall Of Fame, he&#8217;s always in the Hall of Awesome in my book.</p>
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		<title>By: ptfu</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ptfu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 16:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pitching at 50 might make Moyer an exhibit at the Hall.  I think wins are his best, albeit slim, chance for induction.  Moyer&#039;s 33 wins away from &quot;forcing&quot; consideration (many HOF voters consider 300 wins to be a &quot;sacred&quot; number).

That&#039;s 3-4 years of starting full time which would make him *gulp* 52 or 53 at the end.  This assumes continued health, effectiveness, and the willingness of a team to sign him and keep sending him out there.  Yeah, that&#039;s a lot of ifs.

But really, it&#039;s all moot.  If Jamie Moyer somehow wins 33 more games, and HOF voters put him in, the Earth will implode from collective sabermetric outrage.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pitching at 50 might make Moyer an exhibit at the Hall.  I think wins are his best, albeit slim, chance for induction.  Moyer&#8217;s 33 wins away from &#8220;forcing&#8221; consideration (many HOF voters consider 300 wins to be a &#8220;sacred&#8221; number).</p>
<p>That&#8217;s 3-4 years of starting full time which would make him *gulp* 52 or 53 at the end.  This assumes continued health, effectiveness, and the willingness of a team to sign him and keep sending him out there.  Yeah, that&#8217;s a lot of ifs.</p>
<p>But really, it&#8217;s all moot.  If Jamie Moyer somehow wins 33 more games, and HOF voters put him in, the Earth will implode from collective sabermetric outrage.</p>
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		<title>By: badmamainphilliesjamas</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 15:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Long live craftiness!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Long live craftiness!</p>
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		<title>By: Old Gator</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Old Gator]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 13:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t doubt that Satchel Paige, whichever way he went - heaven or the more interesting place - is grinning ear to ear at the Jamie Moyer saga.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t doubt that Satchel Paige, whichever way he went &#8211; heaven or the more interesting place &#8211; is grinning ear to ear at the Jamie Moyer saga.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Gator</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/07/jamie-moyer-helps-his-comeback-cause-with-two-strong-innings/comment-page-1/#comment-269673</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Old Gator]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 13:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Probably went down to the crossroads and made hisself the same deal. That&#039;s all well and good now, but the winter league awaits, so to speak....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably went down to the crossroads and made hisself the same deal. That&#8217;s all well and good now, but the winter league awaits, so to speak&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: aceshigh11</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[aceshigh11]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 12:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is such an awesome story...I really hope he gets to pitch this year.

I wonder what it will take for him to be considered HoF-worthy.  I realize his numbers aren&#039;t there, but at SOME point, doesn&#039;t longevity become worthy of recognition?

Perhaps if he pitches at 50 years old?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is such an awesome story&#8230;I really hope he gets to pitch this year.</p>
<p>I wonder what it will take for him to be considered HoF-worthy.  I realize his numbers aren&#8217;t there, but at SOME point, doesn&#8217;t longevity become worthy of recognition?</p>
<p>Perhaps if he pitches at 50 years old?</p>
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		<title>By: aceshigh11</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[aceshigh11]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 12:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is such an awesome story...I really hope he gets to pitch this year.

I wonder what it take for him to be considered HoF-worthy.  I realize his numbers aren&#039;t there, but at SOME point, doesn&#039;t longevity become worthy of recognition?

Perhaps if he pitches at 50 years old?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is such an awesome story&#8230;I really hope he gets to pitch this year.</p>
<p>I wonder what it take for him to be considered HoF-worthy.  I realize his numbers aren&#8217;t there, but at SOME point, doesn&#8217;t longevity become worthy of recognition?</p>
<p>Perhaps if he pitches at 50 years old?</p>
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		<title>By: cur68</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cur68]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 06:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Never bet against Moyer. He is Julio Franco&#039;s current mojo holder.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never bet against Moyer. He is Julio Franco&#8217;s current mojo holder.</p>
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		<title>By: bigleagues</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bigleagues]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 05:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Noy sure which is more amazing by Niekro, the post-40 121 Wins or the post-40 62 &lt;i&gt;COMPLETE GAMES&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noy sure which is more amazing by Niekro, the post-40 121 Wins or the post-40 62 <i>COMPLETE GAMES</i></p>
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		<title>By: bigleagues</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bigleagues]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 05:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BTW, pretty sure that Jamie &#039;friggin&#039; Moyer is the only Active Major Leaguer to have been in the Majors in Phil Niekro&#039;s final season, 1987, at Age 48]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, pretty sure that Jamie &#8216;friggin&#8217; Moyer is the only Active Major Leaguer to have been in the Majors in Phil Niekro&#8217;s final season, 1987, at Age 48</p>
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		<title>By: bigleagues</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bigleagues]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 05:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I went ahead and did it . . . had to do it . . . here is the list of SP&#039;s with at least 100 Wins from age 40 on . . .

&lt;PRE&gt;                                                                                                               
Rk        Player     IP   W   L From   To   Age   G  GS CG SHO W-L%    H  ER  BB   SO  ERA ERA+              Tm
1    Phil Niekro 1977.0 121 103 1979 1987 40-48 300 294 62  11 .540 1950 843 789 1148 3.84  103 ATL-NYY-CLE-TOT
2    Jamie Moyer 1497.2 103  79 2003 2010 40-47 247 241  8   2 .566 1570 732 423  877 4.40   99     SEA-TOT-PHI
&lt;/PRE&gt;

Provided by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sports-reference.com/sharing.shtml?utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=Share&amp;utm_campaign=ShareTool&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Baseball-Reference.com&lt;/a&gt;: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/season_finder.cgi?utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=Share&amp;utm_campaign=ShareTool&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;View Play Index Tool Used&lt;/a&gt;Generated 3/8/2012.

There are only 48 P in MLB history to have won 20 games or more after age of 40. 

Just 24 have won at least 30 after 40.

Only 17 have won at least 40 after 40.

12 have won at least 50 after 40

and only 5 have won at least 75 Wins after 40. 

But just two . . . with at least 100 Wins after age 40 . . .

Phil Niekro &amp; &lt;b&gt;Jamie &#039;friggin&#039; Moyer&lt;/b&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went ahead and did it . . . had to do it . . . here is the list of SP&#8217;s with at least 100 Wins from age 40 on . . .</p>
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Rk        Player     IP   W   L From   To   Age   G  GS CG SHO W-L%    H  ER  BB   SO  ERA ERA+              Tm
1    Phil Niekro 1977.0 121 103 1979 1987 40-48 300 294 62  11 .540 1950 843 789 1148 3.84  103 ATL-NYY-CLE-TOT
2    Jamie Moyer 1497.2 103  79 2003 2010 40-47 247 241  8   2 .566 1570 732 423  877 4.40   99     SEA-TOT-PHI
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<p>There are only 48 P in MLB history to have won 20 games or more after age of 40. </p>
<p>Just 24 have won at least 30 after 40.</p>
<p>Only 17 have won at least 40 after 40.</p>
<p>12 have won at least 50 after 40</p>
<p>and only 5 have won at least 75 Wins after 40. </p>
<p>But just two . . . with at least 100 Wins after age 40 . . .</p>
<p>Phil Niekro &amp; <b>Jamie &#8216;friggin&#8217; Moyer</b></p>
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		<title>By: bigleagues</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bigleagues]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 05:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jamie Moyer was a rookie when the Mets last won the World Series.

Moyer is playing in his FOURTH decade. 

Moyer turned 40 . . . in 2002!

Moyer was drafted NINE years before the Rockies were a MLB team!

Moyer has a longer MLB career than FOUR organizations: the D-Backs, Rays, Marlins and Rockies.

Roberto Alomar and Barry Larkin, debuted as rookies, played stellar careers, retired, then qualified for and granted induction into the Hall of Fame since Jamie Moyer&#039;s rookie debut.

Moyer&#039;s first 20-win season came at age 38 and his second and last at age 40.

He&#039;s accumulated 103 Wins since turning age 40.

Finally . . . and still one my favorite ex-Red Sox factoids: Boston had signed Jamie Moyer as a Free Agent in 1996, and despite a 7-1 record through 21 appearances, the Sox traded the then 33-year-old journeyman to Seattle for Darren Bragg. Moyer has won 201 games since. Meanwhile, Bragg would be sent out of Boston by 1998 and retired from a rather unremarkable career by 2004.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jamie Moyer was a rookie when the Mets last won the World Series.</p>
<p>Moyer is playing in his FOURTH decade. </p>
<p>Moyer turned 40 . . . in 2002!</p>
<p>Moyer was drafted NINE years before the Rockies were a MLB team!</p>
<p>Moyer has a longer MLB career than FOUR organizations: the D-Backs, Rays, Marlins and Rockies.</p>
<p>Roberto Alomar and Barry Larkin, debuted as rookies, played stellar careers, retired, then qualified for and granted induction into the Hall of Fame since Jamie Moyer&#8217;s rookie debut.</p>
<p>Moyer&#8217;s first 20-win season came at age 38 and his second and last at age 40.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s accumulated 103 Wins since turning age 40.</p>
<p>Finally . . . and still one my favorite ex-Red Sox factoids: Boston had signed Jamie Moyer as a Free Agent in 1996, and despite a 7-1 record through 21 appearances, the Sox traded the then 33-year-old journeyman to Seattle for Darren Bragg. Moyer has won 201 games since. Meanwhile, Bragg would be sent out of Boston by 1998 and retired from a rather unremarkable career by 2004.</p>
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		<title>By: bigleagues</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bigleagues]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 04:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dude just loves playing the game. Only reason to go out there at 49 &lt;i&gt;after&lt;/i&gt; TJS.

Wait 82?! Woo-hoo! It&#039;s NOT too late after all! 

Shit, I still got time to run off a nice 8-10 year career!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude just loves playing the game. Only reason to go out there at 49 <i>after</i> TJS.</p>
<p>Wait 82?! Woo-hoo! It&#8217;s NOT too late after all! </p>
<p>Shit, I still got time to run off a nice 8-10 year career!</p>
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		<title>By: pkswally024</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pkswally024]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 03:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m really pulling for Moyer. As a Phills I&#039;d be ecstatic if he faces us this year and murders our lineup. I don&#039;t know why...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really pulling for Moyer. As a Phills I&#8217;d be ecstatic if he faces us this year and murders our lineup. I don&#8217;t know why&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: uraccepted</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[uraccepted]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 03:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In an age of whiners and complainers, Moyer is a 100% class act. I&#039;d love to see him make the rotation! If you don&#039;t like this guy . . . you don&#039;t like baseball.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In an age of whiners and complainers, Moyer is a 100% class act. I&#8217;d love to see him make the rotation! If you don&#8217;t like this guy . . . you don&#8217;t like baseball.</p>
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		<title>By: racksie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[racksie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 03:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This guy is a man. Anyone who goes to the mound in the majors with an 80+ mph fastball, like he has done practically his whole 26 year career, is a man. Guy&#039;s who waste their 90+ mph talent because they got paid, are boy&#039;s who need to grow up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This guy is a man. Anyone who goes to the mound in the majors with an 80+ mph fastball, like he has done practically his whole 26 year career, is a man. Guy&#8217;s who waste their 90+ mph talent because they got paid, are boy&#8217;s who need to grow up.</p>
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		<title>By: ptfu</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ptfu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 03:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hope Moyer&#039;s just as good against major league lineups.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope Moyer&#8217;s just as good against major league lineups.</p>
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