Comments on: Lance Lynn moving back to rotation with Chris Carpenter out http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/12/lance-lynn-moving-back-to-rotation-with-chris-carpenter-out/ Baseball. Baseball. And then a bit more baseball. Fri, 24 May 2013 13:44:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Reflex http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/12/lance-lynn-moving-back-to-rotation-with-chris-carpenter-out/comment-page-1/#comment-271751 Thu, 15 Mar 2012 17:21:02 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=124736#comment-271751 There are lots who do not, actually. Furthermore, even if what you said was true, you’d be dodging the real point since obviously it would be more pronounced in some than others. Right now there is a *strong* corrolation between the Inverted W and certain types of injury, and while corrolation is not causation, its been interesting watching certain pitching mechanics guys call injuries a year or two before they happen, then watching them point out who will be healthy and also having that come true.

I do believe more research is needed. But I also do not believe that injuries are simply a matter of genetic lottery. RSI is real in just about every other field, even non-strenuous ones, why would a field where someone is pushing their body beyond its design limits be any different? And why wouldn’t it be possible to make ergonomic changes to the approach to limit those injuries?

]]> By: paperlions http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/12/lance-lynn-moving-back-to-rotation-with-chris-carpenter-out/comment-page-1/#comment-270817 Mon, 12 Mar 2012 23:41:18 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=124736#comment-270817 The inverted W is a myth. Just about every pitcher that throws over the top will have an inverted W at some point in his delivery.

]]> By: Reflex http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/12/lance-lynn-moving-back-to-rotation-with-chris-carpenter-out/comment-page-1/#comment-270789 Mon, 12 Mar 2012 22:21:08 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=124736#comment-270789 The top three in that rotation are all severely injury prone. Two are Inverted W pitchers. Not planning on an injury is indeed a mistake, especially considering how its easy to prep a starter to go into relief, but much more time consuming to stretch a reliever into a starter.

]]> By: paperlions http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/12/lance-lynn-moving-back-to-rotation-with-chris-carpenter-out/comment-page-1/#comment-270772 Mon, 12 Mar 2012 21:23:23 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=124736#comment-270772 Funny….but what I meant was that if I had thought about it, I’m sure I can come up with other rotations that are either as good or better than the one in StL.

In any case, a ranking of #5 is the most generous one that group of 5 should get.

]]> By: stlouis1baseball http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/12/lance-lynn-moving-back-to-rotation-with-chris-carpenter-out/comment-page-1/#comment-270767 Mon, 12 Mar 2012 21:05:03 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=124736#comment-270767 Amazing Crescan. Please share your profound thougths and meandering ramblings once you have had time to review the article Matthew was kind enough to link for us. Once your slow jack is done…I anxiously await your invaluable insight.

]]> By: stlouis1baseball http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/12/lance-lynn-moving-back-to-rotation-with-chris-carpenter-out/comment-page-1/#comment-270761 Mon, 12 Mar 2012 20:57:12 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=124736#comment-270761 Paper: If you are done long stroking Matthew…please take a look at the link he provided. For some reason…I am unable to post. I found the link but Matthew was kind enough to include it. Has anyone else had any issues commenting today? I re-started my computer but it still doesn’t appear to have helped.

]]> By: Matthew Pouliot http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/12/lance-lynn-moving-back-to-rotation-with-chris-carpenter-out/comment-page-1/#comment-270757 Mon, 12 Mar 2012 20:53:23 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=124736#comment-270757 Yeah, I had the Cardinals rotation with the second-best ERA projection and then ranked them fifth overall.

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/02/ranking-the-rotations-2012-edition/

]]> By: stlouis1baseball http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/12/lance-lynn-moving-back-to-rotation-with-chris-carpenter-out/comment-page-1/#comment-270746 Mon, 12 Mar 2012 20:30:39 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=124736#comment-270746 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/02/ranking-the-rotations-2012-edition/

]]> By: stlouis1baseball http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/12/lance-lynn-moving-back-to-rotation-with-chris-carpenter-out/comment-page-1/#comment-270745 Mon, 12 Mar 2012 20:30:12 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=124736#comment-270745 Why are my posts not appearing? I have attempted to respond with a link to the starting rotations article I was referring to but it will NOT allow me to do so.

]]> By: stlouis1baseball http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/12/lance-lynn-moving-back-to-rotation-with-chris-carpenter-out/comment-page-1/#comment-270742 Mon, 12 Mar 2012 20:29:14 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=124736#comment-270742 Found it Dwrek! It was indeed an HBT article and it is Matthews. http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/02/ranking-the-rotations-2012-edition/

]]> By: stlouis1baseball http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/12/lance-lynn-moving-back-to-rotation-with-chris-carpenter-out/comment-page-1/#comment-270740 Mon, 12 Mar 2012 20:25:00 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=124736#comment-270740 Found it Dwrek! It was an article from Matthew. See below.

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/02/ranking-the-rotations-2012-edition/

]]> By: stlouis1baseball http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/12/lance-lynn-moving-back-to-rotation-with-chris-carpenter-out/comment-page-1/#comment-270734 Mon, 12 Mar 2012 20:08:05 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=124736#comment-270734 Hahaha! “Putting no thought into it whatsoever.” Hahaha!

]]> By: stlouis1baseball http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/12/lance-lynn-moving-back-to-rotation-with-chris-carpenter-out/comment-page-1/#comment-270733 Mon, 12 Mar 2012 20:07:11 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=124736#comment-270733 Great question Dwrek. Quick…someone help a guy out. Wasn’t in a HBT article? They were listed #2 (behind Philly). With some additinal stat’s thrown in (I seem to remember ERA and Run Support figuring in)…they were #5. To reiterate…I seem to remember it being on HBT a month or so ago.

]]> By: stlouis1baseball http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/12/lance-lynn-moving-back-to-rotation-with-chris-carpenter-out/comment-page-1/#comment-270732 Mon, 12 Mar 2012 20:05:42 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=124736#comment-270732 I hear you Matthew on the Dickson/Miller thing. Personally, I am not so sure it would be a huge rush with Shelby. My point was…they have plenty of Arms (with 3 in the pen having significant starting experience).

]]> By: paperlions http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/12/lance-lynn-moving-back-to-rotation-with-chris-carpenter-out/comment-page-1/#comment-270729 Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:57:18 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=124736#comment-270729 Exactly. You can immediately put a guy that is stretched out into the bullpen….the other direction…not so much….there is no harm and potential benefit to stretching a guy out during ST.

]]> By: paperlions http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/12/lance-lynn-moving-back-to-rotation-with-chris-carpenter-out/comment-page-1/#comment-270728 Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:55:41 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=124736#comment-270728 Putting no thought into it whatsoever, I can think of at least 4 starting rotations that are clearly better than the Cardinals: Tampa, SF, Philly, LAA

]]> By: Matthew Pouliot http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/12/lance-lynn-moving-back-to-rotation-with-chris-carpenter-out/comment-page-1/#comment-270727 Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:54:15 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=124736#comment-270727 Of course not. But they should have done what most every other team does in spring training: have their sixth starter stretched out in case he’s needed. If Carpenter had gotten hurt at the end of the spring instead of the start, it would have meant turning to Brandon Dickson or rushing Shelby Miller.

]]> By: dwrek5 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/12/lance-lynn-moving-back-to-rotation-with-chris-carpenter-out/comment-page-1/#comment-270724 Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:50:42 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=124736#comment-270724 This starting rotation was just named the #2 starting rotation in MLB (with other incredibly annoying Sabermetrics figured in they were #5).

Just curious, who ranked them #2?

]]> By: sportsdrenched.com http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/12/lance-lynn-moving-back-to-rotation-with-chris-carpenter-out/comment-page-1/#comment-270717 Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:43:14 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=124736#comment-270717 Not sure I understand why it was a mistake either. You have relievers do refief work..until you need them to do something else. It’s not like the Royals where you’re trying to get more looks at the back end starters.

]]> By: stlouis1baseball http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/12/lance-lynn-moving-back-to-rotation-with-chris-carpenter-out/comment-page-1/#comment-270713 Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:23:48 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=124736#comment-270713 Looks like a great call to me. Let’s see…PRIOR to Carp having the neck issue…they had the following rotation…
#1: Waino
#1A/#2: Carp
#3: Jaime
#4: Lohse
#5 Westbrook
This starting rotation was just named the #2 starting rotation in MLB (with other incredibly annoying Sabermetrics figured in they were #5).
L.L., Boggs and McClellan have all spent significant time as starters (either in the Minors OR with the Big Club). Sooooo…it looks like (from where I sit)…Matheny made the right call and it was a no-brainer. What would you have him do Matthew…name a 6 man rotation just in case something unforseen happened to Carp?

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