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Michael Pineda’s velocity still off

Mar 15, 2012, 5:35 PM EDT

New York Yankees starter Pineda warms up on the mound during the first inning of a spring training baseball game against the Philadelphia Phillies in Clearwater

We wrung our hands at Roy Halladay’s velocity earlier today, so we may as well do the same with Michael Pineda, who has already been the subject of similar hand-wringing this spring.

He pitched today and …

He apparently touched 92 once or twice. After the game Joe Giradi said he wasn’t worried because his location was good and his secondary pitches looked good too.

And no, I don’t think anyone should worry either. But it’s gonna be a topic of conversation because it’s spring, that’s what happens every spring and part of our job here is to keep you apprised of not just the truly important stuff, but the stuff all your idiot coworkers and talk radio and stuff are ranting about too.

  1. mightymike1250 - Mar 15, 2012 at 5:40 PM

    It’s SPRING TRAINING, for crying out loud!!! Isn’t the purpose of Spring Training (among other things) to allow pitchers to build arm strength and hitters to get their timing down? I don’t know if anyone’s ever done a study of this (what would be the point?), but my guess is that almost every pitcher probably doesn’t hit his normal velocity until 4-6 weeks or so into the season.

    • Baseball Beer Burritos In That Order - Mar 15, 2012 at 5:46 PM

      Causal relationships? Fact checking? Rational criticism?

      You know Craig is writing about baseball writers, right?

    • paperlions - Mar 15, 2012 at 7:20 PM

      When they talk about pitcher building up arm strength, they are referring to the number of pitches safely thrown more than the velocity. By the time ST games start, healthy pitchers typically are throwing at their normal velocities with their normal amount of effort. It is not uncommon for a guy to just have a bad day or to spend the day working on off-speed stuff or location, but it is not really normal for a guy to be throwing his FB 5 MPH off of his average speed every time out.

      • paperlions - Mar 16, 2012 at 8:36 AM

        For those too dense to realize that at this time of year pitchers are usually already at 100% of their normal velocity…you know why people have brought up the Halladay and Pineda stories? Because they are not typical and often are indicators of injury. If pitchers were building up velocity at this time of year, no one would be mentioning anything because ALL pitchers would be 5 MPH off on the FB, but they aren’t.

  2. skeleteeth - Mar 15, 2012 at 5:41 PM

    I see you failed to mention he still managed to strike out your sugar daddy…twice.

  3. WhenMattStairsIsKing - Mar 15, 2012 at 5:52 PM

    If he has great control, he’ll be fine. I can think of, oh, I don’t know, 1-2 guys that had great careers without throwing heat.

    • JBerardi - Mar 16, 2012 at 8:14 AM

      Can you think of 1-2 guys who had long careers without heat AND without a changeup? Pineda is all fastball-slider, all the time. Gonna be hard to make that work without the fastball.

      • WhenMattStairsIsKing - Mar 16, 2012 at 1:05 PM

        Let’s just hope he develops at the very least.

  4. proudlycanadian - Mar 15, 2012 at 5:54 PM

    The Mariners knew what they were doing when they made Pineda available in a trade.They saw his velocity decline and ERA rise in the second half of last season and decided to sell high. Yankee fans claim that they are not worried, but deep down inside, it is time for doubt to creep in.

    • dirtyharry1971 - Mar 16, 2012 at 12:39 AM

      next proudly will tell us how important the spring training standings are because the jays have a good record in ST so far. too bad he knows deep inside this will be another october-LESS season for the jays

      • proudlycanadian - Mar 16, 2012 at 6:45 AM

        How kind of Harry to notice that the Jays are currently 11 & 2 in spring training, while his Yankees are 6 & 8. These early results indicate that our minor leaguers are better than yours. The most important piece of information from these results is that our starting rotation has been pitching very well. Jays players and fans are eagerly awaiting the regular season.

      • JBerardi - Mar 16, 2012 at 8:24 AM

        “These early results indicate that our minor leaguers are better than yours.”

        God, I hope you’re just trying to needle the Yankees fans and you don’t actually believe that early spring training records mean anything (or ANY spring training records, for that matter).

  5. uyf1950 - Mar 15, 2012 at 5:55 PM

    Craig, you beat me to it. I saw on another site where they said his fastball was in the 90-92 range. The good think to take from this is he seems to be having more luck with his secondary pitches which is what the Yankees wanted him to work on. Also, as has already been mentioned it’s still early in spring training I would not be the least bit surprised to see him get his fastball up to 95 by the end of spring training.

  6. yankeesfanlen - Mar 15, 2012 at 6:12 PM


    • uyf1950 - Mar 15, 2012 at 6:15 PM

      BTW, good luck with that this year my friend.

    • proudlycanadian - Mar 15, 2012 at 8:58 PM

      Len will load up on Yankees.

    • proudlycanadian - Mar 16, 2012 at 6:49 AM

      Did you get Pineda Len? I assume that the Canuck in your draft went for Henderson Alvarez of the Jays. I predict that Alvarez will have a better season than Pineda.

      • dirtyharry1971 - Mar 18, 2012 at 5:34 AM

        yep he’s trying to do this based on ST numbers!!! This guy is a total joke and will disappear around July after his pathetic team is finished as usual

        These early results indicate that our minor leaguers are better than yours.”

        God, I hope you’re just trying to needle the Yankees fans and you don’t actually believe that early spring training records mean anything (or ANY spring training records, for that matter

  7. randygnyc - Mar 15, 2012 at 8:41 PM

    I’m definitely concerned. We gave up a really good DH prospect for this guy.

    Perhaps there’s a problem that he and the Yankees aren’t telling the public. At the very least, if there is a problem, I hope Pineda is being honest with the Yankees.

  8. pisano - Mar 15, 2012 at 10:24 PM

    I watched him today and if his fastball is only between 90- 92 he’ll do just fine. He had good command and his breaking balls and change were good. I still don’t think he’s run it up like he will, but again he’s good enough to be a winner with what he showed today.

  9. denny65 - Mar 16, 2012 at 4:48 AM

    Maybe Jack Zduriencik saw something the rest of us overlooked.

    Whatever. The M’s are loaded with pitching.

  10. odj810 - Mar 16, 2012 at 11:22 AM

    I think this deal has the potential to go south. I see him being a burnett type, dominating some starts and getting blown up others. It also has the potential to go the complete other way of course and he could be the R handed CC. Either way no doubt Montero is for real.

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