How much less could you care? Grammar, son. Grammar.

How much less could you care? Grammar, son. Grammar.

Can you document your evidence for this please? Also, the assumption is that steroids are the ONLY reason for this jump. I would say that they may help but we have no idea how MUCH they do. Do they take warning shots out? I don’t know. Just because someone is strong doesn’t mean that they will start hitting HRs.

Food for thought: http://joeposnanski.si.com/2010/08/06/what-if-we-are-wrong-again-about-steroids/

I will question everything you are saying. Working in a gym doesn’t do anything to build your credibility. For one, it’s a weak attempt at appeal to authority. Two, there probably is at least some confirmation bias at work there. Three, the people taking steroids in the gym are suddenly playing baseball and hitting 50 HR a year? There were lots of people in the Mitchell report who were kinda sucky, despite supposed PED use. Is that steroid generated power and strength enhancing pitch recognition, bat speed, swing mechanics? Is it allowing pitchers to throw a better breaking ball, control their fastball better? I’m not sure anyone knows to what degree they do (if at all). I’m sure they can help, but like I and a lot of others have said, we just don’t know. Maybe they’ll help someone add a few HR a year, but I doubt it’s like 20 or 30HR a year.

“I also argue that steriods help you recover so fast that the even aid playing everyday. ”

There are also legal things that help players do this too- cortisone shots etc. So I don’t think that’s an issue.

There is also the counterargument that people throw out: steroids shorten careers because they lead to injuries…..

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7551115/lawsuit-alleges-george-brett-made-false-claims-necklaces-ads

Trying to divert alittle attention there G-bag?

Bull. Shit. Steroids don’t turn an Al Newman into Barry Bonds. In the most extreme example, they turned perennial MVP and best player in the game Barry Bonds into arguably the best player of all time Barry Bonds. And this is probably the most extreme case.

Steroids don’t have the same effect on everybody. If they did, that means non-steroid using Gary Bennett would hit like me. To suggest that McGwire would have been a marginal player or Manny Ramirez wouldn’t have gotten huge contracts is silly. I’ll buy the argument that they probably would not been as great, but I’m not going to entertain the notion that they were marginal players and steroids turned them into superstars.

You want to ensure law-breakers aren’t in the hall?

First off, amphetamines are illegal, so there goes everybody from the 1950s-1970s at least…

…Ty Cobb stabbed a man so he’s gone
…here a link detailing Rogers Hornsby’s criminal problems, so he’s gone:
http://baseballhistorian.blogspot.com/2011/11/troubled-life-of-rogers-hornsby-part-i.html
…Babe Ruth was arrested for violating Child Labor Laws. He was aquitted, but if accusations are enough to keep Jeff Bagwell out, certainly Ruth must be removed too.
…George Brett deceived consumers and is being sued for false advertising, so he’s a poor example and should probably be excluded too.

In fact, everybody except for Jesus should probably excluded from the hall of fame. Though from what I hear, he can’t hit a curveball…

Eh. I think boomers are just mad about the records of their childhood idols getting broken. To which I say, boo-f’n-red juice-hoo.

Anyone who knows what they’re talking about? Hmm, where’d you get your medical degree?

Your argument is bullshit; you offer nothing but a paper-thin appeal to authority. And you don’t even name the authority in question, other than “anyone who knows what they’re talking about”, which is basically saying “anyone who agrees with me is credible and anyone who disagrees with my is not credible” and offering no actual evidence as to why that’s true. The fact of the matter is that there’s no conclusive studies on the effect of “steroids” (which could mean many different substances) OR amphetamines on baseball performance. Hell, as far as I know, there aren’t even any inconclusive studies. We might have some knowledge of the effects they have on the body, but how that translates into baseball performance? It’s a total unknown. We don’t have the data, much less any conclusions drawn from that data.

I’ll say this, there’s a hell of a lot of records set in the 70s and 80s that have to do with playing every day and running fast. Pete Rose? Rickey Henderson? There’s just as much of a case that the hit record and the stolen base record where amphetamine aided as there is that the home run record was steroid-adided.

Personally I don’t want any of the steroids guys in. There reward for their stats is the insane money they made. Money they wouldn’t have sniffed without steroids.

I’m with you on A-Rod, too. He said way more than he needed to (even if it wasn’t the whole truth).