Comments on: Is there already a rift growing between Bobby V and Ben Cherington?

By: 1historian

1historian — Mon, 26 Mar 2012 02:37:03 +0000

This is funny. This is nothing more than the annual bs from the fans, the team, the press and any other moron who happens on the scene.

The only thing they ALL love more than fightin’ feudin’ and fussin’ EVERY YEAR is – nothing.

And that includes winning championships

By: j0esixpack

j0esixpack — Sun, 25 Mar 2012 15:40:13 +0000

While nothing in baseball happens in a vacuum (GMs make decisions with the input of the coach and vice versa) ultimately a manager’s ability to be a good field manager is DIRECTLY connected to his ability to decide who sits on the bench and who plays.

And while contract options obviously can play a role in Major/Minor league moves, when players know that a Manager is begin blocked from calling up a player he wants, that completely undermines his credibility as a manager who can reward or punish.

No one’s talking about giving Valentine the GM checkbook – but if there’s a player he wants from Pawtucket who he feels deserves to play more than a journeyman player, let the manager manage.

By: Ari Collins

Ari Collins — Sun, 25 Mar 2012 12:49:56 +0000

The manager’s job is to manage the roster that his boss, the GM, gives to him. Obviously they should work together, and the manager should give his input on which players are ready for the majors, and which role best suits a player, but it’s not ultimately the manager’s decision.

In other sports, maybe, the manager’s as much an executive. But in baseball, he’s a field manager only.

By: aceshigh11

aceshigh11 — Sun, 25 Mar 2012 08:56:05 +0000

The GODDAMNED Globe…

…always, always, ALWAYS trying to manufacture controversy.

I generally enjoy their writing and outsized personalities, but articles like this infuriate me. This is nothing but media-driven shit-stirring.

Of course Dan Shaughnessy (CHB) is the worst of the lot, but Bob Ryan, Tony Masseroti, Chad Finn, and Chris Gasper (the man who wrote this particular article) all have their “moments” every season.

By: pisano

pisano — Sun, 25 Mar 2012 05:05:45 +0000

The season hasn’t even started and Bobby V is getting most of the Boston press, I have a feeling he won’t have a long career in Beantown. He seems to have somewhat of a small mans complex.

By: Jack Marshall

Jack Marshall — Sat, 24 Mar 2012 23:05:07 +0000

They didn’t have to keep him shelved later, when they had to trot out people like Miller, Bedard and a fading Wakefield.Pete Abraham and others on the beat say that CB could have pitched. They pitched Curt Schilling with a damaged ankle. Francona was complacent. Valentine is never complacent.

By: randygnyc

randygnyc — Sat, 24 Mar 2012 22:51:06 +0000

@joesixpack- what I am suggesting is that BobbyV wouldn’t have taken this job without getting guarantees from ownership that he had full control of baseball ownership. I am also suggesting that Cherrington has never been informed of it. I guess, over time, it’ll be clear to everyone, including Ben.

By: racksie

racksie — Sat, 24 Mar 2012 19:45:04 +0000

*every.

By: racksie

racksie — Sat, 24 Mar 2012 19:43:23 +0000

Gosh, Bobby Valentine is letting his ego getting in the way? I agree this is probably normal stuff for evry team in baseball. The difference is Bobby V. puts it in the news.

By: bigharold

bigharold — Sat, 24 Mar 2012 17:49:39 +0000

Now you’re talking!

By: Old Gator

Old Gator — Sat, 24 Mar 2012 17:48:23 +0000

The upper management of the Beanbags is beginning to look like a lobster tank at Legal Seafood after someone forgot to peg their claws. This should definitely be an entertaining season, except not so much on the field.

By: j0esixpack

j0esixpack — Sat, 24 Mar 2012 17:40:40 +0000

It’s also stupid to suggest Cherrington is emasculated because he has less than full control. Of course he lacks full control. So did Theo at that stage in his career and the owners always retained the power of the purse.

This is only a problem for Cherrington if he makes it a problem.

But let the manager manage or get a new manager.

By: brokea$$lovesmesomeme

brokea$$lovesmesomeme — Sat, 24 Mar 2012 17:40:23 +0000

Or maybe this, fire BV, cherington is in over his head, and luchino is a bully. This would never have happened if Tito had just kept an eye on the beer and chicken boys. This really never would have happened if they hadn’t signed Lackey. Why did we ever sell Ruth to the Yankees?

By: brokea$$lovesmesomeme

brokea$$lovesmesomeme — Sat, 24 Mar 2012 17:32:46 +0000

Good point. How about this ” uh-oh we’re are effed”?

By: bigharold

bigharold — Sat, 24 Mar 2012 17:28:12 +0000

“Tito and Theo didn’t always get along and they didn’t do to bad. And let’s not forget that we are talking about this in March not August.”

Oh, .. sure logic and reason. Are you sure you know how things work around here?

By: paperlions

paperlions — Sat, 24 Mar 2012 17:15:36 +0000

Funny, I was thinking when reading the post how much Valentine sounds like baseball’s version of Rex Ryan.

By: paperlions

paperlions — Sat, 24 Mar 2012 17:12:48 +0000

Valentine thinks he is a great baseball mind, there isn’t actually any evidence that he knows any more or understands any more about baseball than any other guy that has been around the sport for decades. He seems like an average baseball mind with an above average ego and an even bigger mouth.

He does love to hear himself talk….he’ll be in front of more cameras and microphones now than when he was with ESPN doing 1 game/week.

By: randygnyc

randygnyc — Sat, 24 Mar 2012 17:07:57 +0000

Go back and look at my posts before valentine was hired. I said valentine doesn’t sign with the red sox without full control of baseball operations. Cherington was emasculated when valentine was hired, even if he doesn’t know it yet.

By: oldpaddy

oldpaddy — Sat, 24 Mar 2012 16:51:08 +0000

At this point the Sox should embrace the chicken and beer image that they’ve made for themselves. Hell, Popeyes chicken should sponser the sox pitching staff!

By: oldpaddy

oldpaddy — Sat, 24 Mar 2012 16:47:48 +0000

I know that luchino and bobby v are arrogant, but how do you know that charington is? Not saying he isn’t, just asking you to elaborate on your comment.

By: mcsnide

mcsnide — Sat, 24 Mar 2012 16:41:26 +0000

They made the decision to shelve Buchholz when they were on pace to win 100 games. Everything I’ve read about lower back stress fractures indicates that athletes need 5-6 months of recovery time. A pitcher’s a lot more dependent on his lower back than you or I at a desk job.

But yeah, Terry sucked for not screaming at management and demanding that Buchholz rub some dirt on it and pitch.

By: Jack Marshall

Jack Marshall — Sat, 24 Mar 2012 16:11:34 +0000

Oh, PLEASE. Dan Duquette constantly acquired players for Jimy Williams that Williams just refused to use. The Sox brain trust decided that the Sox should use a bullpen by committee (actually Bill James’ ‘use closers when the game is on the line” theory), structured the team that way, and Grady Little was too dumb to figure out how to do it, so it bombed without really being tried (about half his pen ended up as closers elsewhere).

Would Valentine let the brass shelve a pitcher like Buchholtz for the rest of the season like Francona did last year, with the team desperate for a starting pitcher, without making a stink? No…which is why he’s an upgrade. Disagreements of this sort between managers and GM’s are normal; the Sox just had an atypical period with an unusually compliant manager, and it happened to work.

By: daisycutter1

daisycutter1 — Sat, 24 Mar 2012 15:55:01 +0000

Pay up. Lucchino and Henry hired Valentine when Cherington wanted Sveum. It’ll take a lot for ownership to not have Valentine’s back should things get especially ugly in Boston.

By: buffalomafia

buffalomafia — Sat, 24 Mar 2012 15:51:57 +0000

Lets go YANKEES!

By: brokea$$lovesmesomeme

brokea$$lovesmesomeme — Sat, 24 Mar 2012 15:45:58 +0000

If the GM and the manager always get along and there isnt some sort of push back on issues from one side or the other than the truth will never come out. Tito and Theo didn’t always get along and they didn’t do to bad. And let’s not forget that we are talking about this in March not August.

By: drewsylvania

drewsylvania — Sat, 24 Mar 2012 15:41:41 +0000

It’s the Globe. They have more trolls than Lord of the Rings.

By: skeleteeth

skeleteeth — Sat, 24 Mar 2012 15:22:00 +0000

Why isn’t there any discussion about Pedro Ciriaco making the club or not? Who cares about Iglesias. He isn’t ready.

By: cur68

cur68 — Sat, 24 Mar 2012 15:13:18 +0000

With pig spears.

By: urfinished

urfinished — Sat, 24 Mar 2012 15:08:29 +0000

I hate to tell you bud, but where there is smoke, there is fire. Everywhere Bobby V has been, he has butted heads with the “higher ups”. He is a great baseball mind, but it has never ended pretty for him. He was worshipped in Japan so that worked out quite well. In other words, Cherington better be ready to stroke that ego or this will end poorly. I’m not saying it cant work, but there is a reason he was not offered a major job in almost 10 years. This could either be really good or really bad…time will tell.
And while the media will fabricate anything into a story, Bobby Valentine will absolutely butt heads with Cherington. We’re about to find out how good of a hands-on GM Cherington is in dealing with talent.
This hiring baffled me…there seemed to be better options available, but people can change and if they learn to work well together it could be very strong. The Henry family loves smart people…and Valentine is smart. Emotionally…mehhh.

By: bloodysock

bloodysock — Sat, 24 Mar 2012 15:02:12 +0000

If they don’t clean this circus up, they’ll become the baseball version of the Jets.