I think his decline had more to do with him cutting his hair than PED’s or aging.

He then referred to “career numbers” – which encompasses all of them – and stated Ordonez was one of the best ‘dozen or so’ right-handed batters, because of his career numbers – all of them.

bfbarker gave a list of one statistic and made a statement to prove his point.

Gleeman made a generic statement based on career numbers to imply something.

Big difference in what the two said.

(OPS+ is OPS adjusted for park and league factors, so barker’s reply is a direct rebuttal of the original post, using a more accurate version of the statistic used.)

It’s no wonder his ability tanked after they started getting strict on steroid abusers

Yup, Spring of ’06 the testing program was put in. Ordonez proceeded to put up a .363/.434/.595 batting line in ’07 and would have been MVP if not for the absurd year Arod put up. He then followed that up with a .317/.376.494 batting line.

So your narrative is pretty much false, but grats on the new tinfoil hat!

The complete list:

1) Albert Pujols 170
2) Manny Ramirez 154
3) Frank Thomas 153
4) Edgar Martinez 151
5) Miguel Cabrera 149
6) Jeff Bagwell 149
7) Albert Belle 147
8) Gary Sheffield 146
9) Alex Rodriguez 144
10) Mike Piazza 142
11) Vladimir Guerrero 140
12) Sammy Sosa 134
13) Juan Gonzalez 134
14) Ellis Burks 130
15) Moises Alou 128
16) Tim Salmon 128
17) Magglio Ordonez 125
18) Nomar Garciaparra 124
19) Scott Rolen 123
20) Jeff Kent 123
21) Andres Galarraga 123
22) Derek Lee 122
23) Paul Konerko 121
24) Richie Sexson 120
25) Troy Glaus 119

He probably saw second base more than Vlad if you include spring training at bats. Vlad probably has him on times thrown out trying to stretch a double to a triple.

I am generally not one to call people out for making ignorant comments, but blaming Gene Lamont for Magglio breaking his ankle TWICE is just ludicrous.
Gene Lamont is an easy target so I understand being a sheep and following what ‘everybody’ else is bitching about, but cmon man

OH and the best part of your uninformed comment that takes the retarded cheesecake:

‘Magglio would still be a healthy, productive player if Gene’

So evidently the 3rd base coach now is in charge of making sure guys don’t AGE, and the 3rd base coach NOW is responsible for helping a player make adjustments at the plate to compensate for lack of bat speed or the many other things that age wears down

I’m gonna take a wild guess and say that you are one of the guys that thinks that you know the players better than Leyland and that he should listen to YOU about the line up every night

It will be interesting to see Miguel Cabrera’s mental state next season without his Venezuelan older brothers Magglio and Carlos Guillen on the Tigers next year.