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You can help narc on tobacco-using ballplayers

Apr 3, 2012, 1:02 PM EDT

Dykstra Tobacco

Last fall, the players agreed to curb their obvious tobacco use at the ballpark as part of the new Collective Bargaining Agreement. If you forgot, here were the contours of that, courtesy of the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids:

Under the agreement that MLB and the Major League Baseball Players Association announced in November, big-league players, managers and coaches will no longer be able to carry a tobacco tin or package in their uniforms or on their bodies at games, or any time that fans are in the ballpark. They will be prohibited from using smokeless tobacco during televised interviews, at autograph signings and other events where they meet fans, or at team-sponsored appearances. Violators are subject to discipline.

One might wonder who will be in charge of enforcing all of that.  Given that the tobacco restrictions had a heavy dose of P.R. to them, you can imagine that teams and the league probably feel like they have more important things to do.  They got their anti-smoking press releases last fall, after all.

But don’t worry about it falling through the cracks. Because you and me and all of our friends can report violators!

Enforcement of these restrictions is essential, and we urge team managers and personnel, and league officials, to rigorously enforce them. To encourage fans to play a role and support compliance, we are asking them to report violations to the Knock Tobacco Out of the Park Coalition.

Here’s where you can go to report players. And Jim Leyland.

My opposition to narcing on people notwithstanding, this seems like an awful lot of fun.  And something that will not be abused by anyone at all ever. Nope.

  1. pbsenerchia - Apr 3, 2012 at 1:12 PM

    WTF. This is the dumbest thing ever. From Old Hoss Radbourn to this – lame, lame, lame.

  2. drmonkeyarmy - Apr 3, 2012 at 1:15 PM

    Load of nonsense. Guess what kids and parents…..people smoke and dip. All types of people too. Not just rednecks and drug addicts. For heavens sake, don’t you guys think that the continuing sheltering of youth has gotten out of control. I’m sorry, but if any kid out there thinks dipping is cool because they see Raul Ibanez with a big wad of crap in his mouth then I think that is not a Raul issue and is more a parental issue. Furthermore, is it not somewhat ridiculous that they are going to such an extreme length to make nicotine use tantamount to sacrificing virgins while every 3rd player is out drinking and driving without significant MLB sanctioned punishment?

    • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Apr 3, 2012 at 2:07 PM

      Agreed. When I was a kid I just assumed ballplayers were chewing gum or sunflower seeds. And when I found out they were dipping that didn’t make me want to at all.

      • chumthumper - Apr 4, 2012 at 11:20 AM

        Beer helps pay the bills. You can’t get a bag of Redman at the consession stand, but you can get a Bud. In my kid days, we stuffed our cheeks with Tootsie Rolls. When standing in the batter’s box, it was impressive (at least to us) when we turned our heads to spit.

  3. bsbiz - Apr 3, 2012 at 1:19 PM

    This is going to be like “Tobacco Idol” where each week, the player with the most votes gets suspended for the following week…

  4. Max Power - Apr 3, 2012 at 1:19 PM

    This will give the people who call in to report rules violations during golf tournaments something to do Monday through Wednesday.

    • pbsenerchia - Apr 3, 2012 at 1:29 PM

      … when they would otherwise be abusing children/wives/small animals, or whatever sociopathic pursuits they prefer. Ugh.

      • 18thstreet - Apr 3, 2012 at 1:51 PM

        Thanks for the measured response.

      • pbsenerchia - Apr 3, 2012 at 2:46 PM

        Yes, because I meant that literally. I suppose I shall now be reported for hyperbole.

  5. Utley's Hair - Apr 3, 2012 at 1:24 PM

    Well thank God that we found one more opportunity to use that pic. Now, I’m off to lose my lunch.

    • drmonkeyarmy - Apr 3, 2012 at 1:29 PM

      Hey UH, how are you? I have a suggestion…you should change your handle to Utley’s bitchy knee or Utley’s tainted legacy.

      • Utley's Hair - Apr 3, 2012 at 1:52 PM

        Hey, doc. I’m still around. I’ve been skulking in the background, occasionally sticking my two cents in. What’s up in the primate military?

        And my name will remain the same, since I choose to dwell on the positive.


      • drmonkeyarmy - Apr 3, 2012 at 2:05 PM

        Not much going on with me. Just joking with the name change….don’t think people realized that. I mean Utley and Hamels are perhaps my two favorite players of the past decade. Just disappointed that his wonky knee(s) are going to cost him more games this year. Also disappointed in the way the situation was handled all around.

      • Utley's Hair - Apr 3, 2012 at 5:57 PM

        I knew you were joking with the name, but it ain’t goin’ nowhere in the foreseeable future. And I was actually kidding with the positive dwelling part, too, since you can tell by my posts that I prefer to wallow sometimes, also. 😛

        Life is good in the primate pharmaceutical trade?

  6. Jonny 5 - Apr 3, 2012 at 1:26 PM

    BOOOOO! Lets see them fine guys for drinking and driving, or smacking around their women. Not chewing tobacco.

    • phillyphreak - Apr 3, 2012 at 1:32 PM

      + A million.

    • phillyphreak - Apr 3, 2012 at 1:33 PM

      Seriously, is it time for real baseball yet……

      • Jonny 5 - Apr 3, 2012 at 1:47 PM

        Well, no. Unfortunately. Take a really long nap, then when you wake up there will be real baseball for all to behold!!!

  7. jwbiii - Apr 3, 2012 at 1:57 PM

    Dave Parker: Not amused.

    I’m not at all sure what Grant Jackson is up to.

  8. philly56 - Apr 3, 2012 at 2:08 PM

    I wonder if they’d still take a form submission *seriously* if you do it on a Friday night at closing time. I mean who knows what kind of shady characters could hack into their network when nobody’s there and tamper with your witness testimony..

  9. oldpaddy - Apr 3, 2012 at 2:22 PM

    When did we become a country of snitches?
    Nobody likes a tattle tail!

  10. randygnyc - Apr 3, 2012 at 2:50 PM

    Welcome to obama-nation.

    • Utley's Hair - Apr 3, 2012 at 5:45 PM

      Right. Because he had anything to do with this. You do know that the guy before him was the one who made this into a police state, right?

  11. cur68 - Apr 3, 2012 at 2:52 PM

    Only deterrent the world needs against tobacco is the sight of Nails’ ugly mug with what appears to be the dog’s business hanging out of it. Why would anyone want to emulate that?

  12. harleyrider1978 - Apr 3, 2012 at 2:54 PM


    In 1991 NIOSH { OSHA’ research group} Looked into ETS although at the time they recommended reducing ETS exposure they found the studies lacking.

    NIOSH recognizes that these recent epidemiological studies have several shortcomings: lack of objective measures for charachterizing and quantifying exposures,failures to adjust for all confounding variables,potential misclassification of ex-smokers as non-smokers,unavailability of comparison groups that have not been exposed to ETS, and low statistical power.

    Research is needed to investigate the following issues:

    1. More acurate quantification of the increased risk of lung cancer associated with ETS exposure,including determination of other contributing factors[e.g.,occupational exposures]that may accentuate the risk.

    2.Determination of the concentration and distributuion of ETS components in the workplace to help quantify the risk for the U.S. working population.

    a.The association of ETS exposure with cancer other than lung cancer
    b.The relationship between ETS exposure and cardiovascular disease
    c.The relationship between ETS exposure and nonmalignant resporatory diseases such asthma,bronchitis and emphysema, and
    the effects of ETS on lung function and respiratory systems
    c. Possible mechanisms of ETS damage to the cardiovascular system,such as platelet aggravation,increased COHb leading to oxygen depravation,or damage to endothelium
    d.Effects of workplace smoking restrictions on the ETS exposure of nonsmokersand ETS-related health effects in nonsmokers

    After ten years of no conclusive research and lack of studies that didn’t eliminate the bias OSHA decided that the studies did not have substance and here is there present policy.

    Environmental Tobacco Smoke (ETS)

    Because the organic material in tobacco doesn’t burn completely, cigarette smoke contains more than 4,700 chemical compounds. Although OSHA has no regulation that addresses tobacco smoke as a whole, 29 CFR 1910.1000 Air contaminants, limits employee exposure to several of the main chemical components found in tobacco smoke. In normal situations, exposures would not exceed these permissible exposure limits (PELs), and, as a matter of prosecutorial discretion, OSHA will not apply the General Duty Clause to ETS.

  13. harleyrider1978 - Apr 3, 2012 at 2:56 PM

    7 October, the COT meeting on 26 October and the COC meeting on 18
    November 2004.

    “5. The Committees commented that tobacco smoke was a highly complex chemical mixture and that the causative agents for smoke induced diseases (such as cardiovascular disease, cancer, effects on reproduction and on offspring) was unknown. The mechanisms by which tobacco induced adverse effects were not established. The best information related to tobacco smoke – induced lung cancer, but even in this instance a detailed mechanism was not available. The Committees therefore agreed that on the basis of current knowledge it would be very difficult to identify a toxicological testing strategy or a biomonitoring approach for use in volunteer studies with smokers where the end-points determined or biomarkers measured were predictive of the overall burden of tobacco-induced adverse disease.”

    In other words … our first hand smoke theory is so lame we can’t even design a bogus lab experiment to prove it. In fact … we don’t even know how tobacco does all of the magical things we claim it does.

    The greatest threat to the second hand theory is the weakness of the first hand theory.

    Thats right,there is no proof smoking causes anything in anyone much less a mouth full of chew!

  14. harleyrider1978 - Apr 3, 2012 at 3:11 PM

    Alright fans I gather you figured out Tobacco Free Kids is at the root of the problem with this latest snitch program. Alil Background on tobacco free kids.

    They were created by the Robert Woods Johnson Foundation as part of the anti-tobacco/prohibition crusade against smokers and drinkers and the obese. The RWJF is the philantropic arm of the Johnson and Johnson big pharma company makers of the PATCH and NICO-GUM TRASH PRODUCTS that have a 98.4% failure rate in smoking cessation.

    The Tobacco Free Kids group wrote the majority of the WHO world health orginizations world anti-tobacco treaty. Countries of the world were blackmaled and coerced to sign the treaty or lose world bank and IMF loans to shore up their respective economies. The WHO is the UNITED NATIONS health arm………

    The lies these folks have spread are pure fiction and propaganda. Prohibition is a vile and unsavory charachter and its here again. These folks are spoon fed by the media and Obamas own administration.

    Since obviously you don’t realize what’s been happening, the CDC and other federal agencies have been dooling out grant money to city, county, and other local governments that adopt smoking bans, not to mention to anti-smoking coalitions who push for stricter smoking bans. It’s been happening in both the Saint Louis area, plus also in the Myrtle Beach area. I’ll note that these aren’t the only 2 areas of the country where these ban grants have been given to a smoking ban coalition.

    Articles proving it’s been happening(wasteful grant money being given to anti groups pushing for smoking bans, plus waving financial grants to communities that ultimately decide to ban smoking) in both parts of the country(grant money going to both Tobacco-Free Saint Louis in the Saint Louis area, and Smoke-Free Horry in the Myrtle Beach/Conway area):

    Federal Government Continues Progress to Prevent Tobacco-Caused Disease While States Fall Tragically Short

    “President Obama’s administration has confronted the tobacco epidemic head-on,” said Charles D. Connor, American Lung Association president and CEO.

    A vote for the KENYAN is a vote to destroy sports

    • jwbiii - Apr 3, 2012 at 5:19 PM

      Thank you. Their national futbol team has never done well and is now apparently without a coach. The next time I see Mwai Kibaki on a ballot, I’ll remember not to vote for him. Good thing the U.S. president likes basketball!

    • Utley's Hair - Apr 3, 2012 at 6:07 PM

      Hey, everybody!!!! It’s RJ Reynolds himself!!!!! Or is it Phillip Morris, borrowing a talking point from Luke Scott?

    • cur68 - Apr 3, 2012 at 11:48 PM

      harleyrider1978: To sum up what you’ve multiply posted: “because we cannot test on human subjects, we cannot prove that tobacco is the causative agent in certain cancers”.

      We’ve tested tobacco smoke it in rats. It causes cancer of the rat lung. We’ve tested it in pigs. It causes cancer of the pig lung. We’ve looked at smoking epidemiological records: there is a significantly higher lung cancer risk in the smoking population, 1st world, than in non-smoking, 1st world.

      You want to volunteer yourself and your family as the first human test subjects? Fine. All individuals, regardless of age, will smoke cigarettes. Please list their onset of lung, mouth, and throat cancer as they come up, on a pack a day cigarette or chewing tobacco habit. Thank you.

      • harleyrider1978 - Apr 4, 2012 at 6:46 PM

        No smoking in rats has ever produced cancer. What the researchers did was use genetically altered mice and rats that developed cancer anyway regardless of any exposure to anything.
        What happened was the non-smoking rats and mice died of cancer before the smoking rats and mice!

        As for the great pig lung HOAX……READ THE BELOW.

        The Black Pig Lung Hoax

        It was an outright bald-faced lie.

        “Pankiw described the centerpiece of his anti-smoking display as the diseased lung of a 150-pound man who smoked for 15 years. Actually, it was a pig’s lung shot full of various carcinogens on purpose, but, Pankiw said later, his lesson was made stronger by not passing along that tidbit of truth.”

        The Black Pig Lung Hoax

        Here is an “oldie but goodie”. This is the article everyone always talks about, but is so difficult to find: April 5, 2001. It was an outright bald-faced lie.

        “Pankiw described the centerpiece of his anti-smoking display as the diseased lung of a 150-pound man who smoked for 15 years. Actually, it was a pig’s lung shot full of various carcinogens on purpose, but, Pankiw said later, his lesson was made stronger by not passing along that tidbit of truth.”


        Chris Watson, vice president of the British Transplantation Society, told CNN that 49 percent of last year’s lung donors in the UK were smokers.

        “We’re not in the luxurious position in transplantation to turn down organs because they’re not absolutely perfect — there are very few perfect organs,” he said.

        Id say if your a paid advocate for tobacco control,youreally need to get better junk claims to spread!

      • cur68 - Apr 5, 2012 at 3:53 AM

        Mauderly et al (2004): exposed common lab rats developed cancer from cigarette smoke. Title of the work: Chronic Inhalation Exposure to Mainstream Cigarette Smoke Increases Lung and Nasal Tumor Incidence in Rats
        …and so on. Ditto for the guinea pig. Many, many, MANY researchers find the same things: cancer in the presence of cigarette smoke in lab animals.

        As for the pig: that’s a typo on my part. I meant to type “guinea pig” and didn’t proof read well enough. However, I am well aware of the pig lung hoax. Others have gone about it more credibly, though. Many have reported serious structural functional changes to the porcine airway as mediated by cigarette smoke. A simple google scholar search turned up over a half dozen recent studies of that nature.

        As a shill for the cigarette industry you’ll have to do far better than this to convince anyone that the poison your selling isn’t poison.

      • harleyrider1978 - Apr 5, 2012 at 6:52 AM

        Female B6C3F1 mice are the same:

        Until recently, attempts at inducing lung cancer in animals using cigarette smoke (CS) have not been very successful. Increases in the incidence of lung tumor formation have been reported in A/J and SWR mice exposed to environmental or mainstream CS for 5 months, followed by recovery in air for 4 months (4–7). However, in two of these studies, CS exposure resulted in a significant decrease in malignant lung tumors compared with controls (4,5). In addition, exposure of A/J mice to mainstream CS for 6 h/day, 5 days a week for 26 weeks followed by recovery in air for 5 weeks did not increase lung tumor formation or promote nitrosamine-4-(methylnitrosamino)-1-(3-pyridyl)-1-butanone (NNK)-induced tumors (8). Until the recent report by Mauderly et al. (9) describing CS-induced lung and nasal tumors in rats, chronic CS inhalation studies in other rodents, dogs and non-human primates have generally not produced statistically significant increases in lung tumor formation (10–12).

        These are the same genetically altered mice.guinea pigs etc, that are predisposed to get cancer regardless of exposures. Like I said the smoke induced ones lived longer!

        It has never been proven smoking causes disease ever……..The next thing was the researchers used specialy designed smoke,not regular cigarette smoke…The smoke was adapted to a super high level of NNK!

  15. Joe Munley - Apr 3, 2012 at 3:18 PM

    Seeing baseball players dip didn’t make me want to dip… But it DID make me want to buy ‘Big League Chew’ gum in the pouches… Do they still make that stuff?

  16. harleyrider1978 - Apr 3, 2012 at 4:05 PM

    Scientific Evidence Shows Secondhand Smoke Is No Danger

    Written By: Jerome Arnett, Jr., M.D.
    Published In: Environment & Climate News
    Publication Date: July 1, 2008




    BS Alert: The ‘third-hand smoke’ hoax

    The thirdhand smoke scam

    Heart attacks Frauds and Myths..


    Piece of Propaganda #4: Anti-Smoking Campaigns

  17. WhenMattStairsIsKing - Apr 3, 2012 at 4:41 PM

    Well this whole narc issue will give MLB something to “chew” on!!

    *takes a bow as tomatoes are thrown at him*

    • Utley's Hair - Apr 3, 2012 at 6:00 PM



  18. dirtyharry1971 - Apr 4, 2012 at 1:58 AM

    Chew puts hair on your chest, end of story, this should not be banned

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